AD #2191 – New Production-Based EV Racing, Daimler Launches Commercial EV, Simulation for Autonomous Vehicles

September 15th, 2017 at 11:52am

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- Euro OEMs Want to Delay C02 Targets
- VW Explains Tiguan Name in New Ads
- JLR Launches Production-Based EV Racing Series
- Daimler Launches 1st Commercial Truck EV
- Different Timetables for AV Introduction
- Simulating Autonomous Tests
- You Said It!

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26 Comments to “AD #2191 – New Production-Based EV Racing, Daimler Launches Commercial EV, Simulation for Autonomous Vehicles”

  1. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I don’t get it with the EU oems.Diesels were a way of life over there,yet they didn’t meet our standards at all,which are much more strict.

    And with the price of gas,per liter,diesels were,and are,more economical.Yet they don’t want to clean them up the way we do here.

    Does that hold true to their gas powered cars as well? We’ve had PZEV’s in our country for a long time,do they? And if they do,do they compare well to our standards?I guess what

    I’m asking is,how does their emissions standards compare to ours,for both gas and diesel.If our stuff runs cleaner,wouldn’t it make sense to adopt our standards?

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    I’m not sure another E-series is going to draw people into the sport of racing. I watched a Formula E race and although the overall aspects of racing are there, without the roar of the engines it was like an unplugged version of a rock concert.

  3. Buzzerd Says:

    ohhhhhhh, Tig-Guan.. now I get it. It combines the best attributes of a Tiger and ……………… Iguana???…………..cause it’s powerful and it sheds it’s tail when it’s in danger.
    K, I don’t get it.

  4. GM Veteran Says:

    On the BMW and GM Cruise Automation story, both may be right. I recall the founder of Cruise Automation saying that they had to design and produce some of the equipment they needed because it simply was not available in the marketplace yet. I believe he mentioned specialized sensors and actuators, but it may have gone beyond that. Perhaps BMW prefers to acquire software and equipment from suppliers rather than producing their own, proprietary equipment.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    Why is it, that when it comes to testing or even simulating autonomous vehicles its always nice flat roads with all the lines brightly painted? If they struggle in those simulations than we are a lot farther away from a reliable autonomous cars than they would like us to believe. Simulate driving in San Francisco with steep hills, curves and few painted lines. Simulate Michigan roads where you cant tell pavement from patch and the various lane changing construction zones. Will they be programed to avoid potholes?

  6. Usefull Says:

    Tig and Guan. Man, those comedy clubs in Germany must be a real hoot, if this is a sample of German humor. (I am from German ancestry, so be kind)

  7. Tom Says:

    I suggest this for the next VW name: Humpback Whale + Kangaroo = The Volkswagen Humparoo.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    #7 I suggest Jack rabbit and donkey =

  9. Tom Says:

    #8, that’s reserved for their executive’s.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Why do people only care about nonsensical car names when VW uses them? I don’t hear incessant whining about Camry and Camaro.

  11. John McElroy Says:

    #1. On paper EU emission standards look much tougher than EPA standards. But the test procedures and loopholes make EU standards far weaker. Their diesels are not as clean, their gasoline engines are not as clean, and they do not offer PZEV engines in the EU.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1 It’s looking more and more like it is impossible to really clean up diesels, or if you do, you lose most of the efficiency advantage over today’s gas engines. To my knowledge, BMW is one of few scandal free sellers of diesel cars in the US. The X5 diesel gets 25% better combined EPA mileage than the gas version, Is it even worth the extra cost of the diesel?

    In Europe, they are finally noticing that cities full of diesel cars mean bad air. Maybe using US standards would help, but maybe US standards are impractical to meet.

  13. BobbyT Says:

    5, Let’s see an autonomous vehicle negotiate the triple roundabouts at Lee Rd. off US 23 in Brighton MI. 2-3 lanes around each, and the lines mostly faded away.

  14. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ #11,John: Thanks for the answer. But your answer leads to another question: since we have,what appears to be the sweetest cleanest vehicle emissions,why wouldn’t they just license our stuff,and clean up?

    @ Kit: Did you know our newest clean diesels put out less particulates than the boosted gassers do? I believe our diesels are at least on a par with or better than boosted gassers in regards to nox/co2.

    I’ve read that there may be particulate filters headed for the boosted gassers in the future too.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    G.A., yep, everything I’ve heard is that the GDI turbos are very bad on particulates. With NOx, I hadn’t heard much about the turbo gassers, just the diesels, most of which seem to ‘cheat.’

    It sounds like the turbo GDI’s may need particulate filters; the small particles they emit are apparently very bad to breath.

  16. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Mornin’ Kit: Okay,so maybe in the future the turbo gassers might have to have particulate filters.

    Now,our new diesel have the Part filters,and use urea to clean them during the regen cycle.

    Would a urea system have to be added to the turbo gassers too, to clean the filter,I wonder.

  17. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: I believe that the higher compression and combustion chamber temp increase from turbos increases the N0x as well,or so I read a while back.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Turbocharging and higher compression would increase combustion temperature, but gas engines run stoicometric ratio of about 15:1, air to fuel, while diesels run “lean,” with excess oxygen for the nitrogen in the air to react with, forming NOx, thus the need for aftertreatment to have a chance at contolling NOx. If I find any good info on tbe details, I’ll post it. Tradeoffs tradeoffs.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’m trying to find some actual data on NOx emissions of diesel, vs turbo gassers, but so far, not much luck.

  20. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: I’m on a number of automotive forums. Several had posted articles and the citing sources,but it was at least a year ago. But,this very same discussion reappears,even on the truck forums I belong too.I’ll do a search and see what I can find,than post.

  21. G.A.Branigan Says:

    This is what I found so far.

    http://webpages.charter.net/lmarz/emissions.html

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Thanks for the link. It looks like all GDI engines, even non-turbo are bad small particle emitters.

    About halfway down in this article

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.corning.com/media/worldwide/cet/documents/2015-01-0993_secured.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiTvPWzn63WAhUGxoMKHbGzDSAQFggwMAA&usg=AFQjCNFQmJSuq6eG1pBO-XAqjTOc8GzCLQ

    is a chart showiing different engine technologies. Stoichiometric GDI engines are not shown as bad NOx emittets, but some we’ve been reading about, like compression ignition gassers are bad, both re. particles and NOx. It looks like about everything needs particle filters, at least in places where there are a lot of vehicles.

  23. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I think that they (the manufacturers; at least GM) have somewhat addressed some of the exhaust particulates from the GDI. Both of my 3.6 liter engines from my STS’s (an ’06 and ’11) had soot at the tailpipe bezels; my ’17 XT5, with the newest iteration of the 3.6 (LGX engine) has virtually no soot at the exhaust bezel after owning it for about a year and a half. This, just one random observation. Kit, how about your Vette; notice any soot?

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Chuck, the shiny funnel-like exits of my tail pipes are black. I think they were completely black by, maybe, 8000 miles. I haven’t checked to see what the stuff is like, or how easily it wipes of, but a lot of Corvette drivers seem to keep them clean.

  25. Lambo2015 Says:

    I guess the cheating was far more than what was originally reported. I remember hearing that the way they were cheating was the vehicle recognized the test, via dyno run with no spinning of the non-drive wheels etc. The cars could pass the test but did not operate in that clean mode except for testing. So seems like the engines were capable of meeting the requirements so not sure why finding a fix has been so difficult. I mean yea the cars may have half the hp or some other deficiency but they already can meet the standards right?

  26. Ukendoit Says:

    #25) Lambo, from my understanding you are correct on all accounts. They can meet emission standards in their “emissions-limp-mode”, but with that dramatic a loss of performance the owners would not be happy driving the vehicles daily in that condition. That could be an option offered to the customers, but VW may not want their brand of vehicle driving around in such a sorry state, thinking it may effect future sales (even worse than they already have).