AD #2232 – Model 3 Customers Waiting Patiently, Chevy’s ZR1 is a Monster, Plug-Ins Juice Up Green Car Sales

November 13th, 2017 at 11:00am

Runtime: 6:58

0:30 Model 3 Customers Waiting Patiently
0:59 Tesla to Unveil Electric Semi
1:25 Mercedes’ Tests Electric Bus
1:46 Mahindra Considers Ssangyong for U.S.
2:31 Chevrolet Reveals New ZR1 Corvette
3:40 Plug-In Sales Outpace Market
4:48 Arguments Over New Ford Expedition

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25 Comments to “AD #2232 – Model 3 Customers Waiting Patiently, Chevy’s ZR1 is a Monster, Plug-Ins Juice Up Green Car Sales”

  1. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Mahindra is going to try again to enter our car market. Will they require dealers to fork over money and build a separate showroom for their products like they did last time with the vaporware pickup truck? Will they keep on delaying and get sued again?

  2. Buzzerd Says:

    I remember Jay Leno at Barrett Jackson talking about the C6 ZR1, they were selling car number 1 for charity, Leno said something like ” with new government regulations coming this may be the last great Corvette…” seems like that’s not the case.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Maybe Mahindra needs to consult their tractor division and selling cars. Don’t they actually sell tractors in the U.S.?

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    Tesla is very unique in that no matter how poorly it does financially people remain loyal in supporting the initiative. The support defies logic but after living in L.A for 18 months I can see why.
    California is a different culture than most of the US. Its filled with people trying to save the animals, the whales, the environment, the homeless, refugees and jump on any other cause they can find. Its the patent state of protesters. Regardless of how much money is available to fund their cause they will support it beyond logic so why would Tesla be any different?

  5. Chuck Grenci Says:

    It is a bit baffling that so many Tesla pre-owners hang onto the promise of the Model 3 which is a car when the rest of the market is moving toward crossover. The Bolt seems that it should be the choice of electric buyers (but marketing is a powerful thing) and I believe Musk is king.

    The new Vette, well all I can say is: AWESOME!

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I won’t by buying a ZR-1, but it should be impressive.

    The Model 3 is not only a car, rather than a CUV, but much worse, it is a sedan, rather than a hatchback like the Model S.

  7. Lisk Says:

    In the late 2000′s when Mahindra wanted to enter the U.S. market, they wanted to bring their crude, industrial diesel powered pickups to a then diesel crazy (high gass prices then) market. If I remember correctly, they were so crude they wouldn’t pass any U.S. standards. As mentioned earlier, they took a lot of potential dealers good faith money in doing so.
    It looks like they’re going to try it again, this time with SUV/CUVs.

    The next ZR1 will be next in an incredible line of potent Bowtie product. At $130,000 this will be yet another great Corvette bargain that will be dismissed by the Eurocar fanatics. In 1989, it someone would have told me there would be a factory Corvette (or any car) putting out 750 hp in 30 years, I would have recommended drug counseling.

  8. Bob Wilson Says:

    From 2001, Prius owners were loyal because we got a positive, monetary reward every time we filled up. Surveys showed early Prius adopters were older, educated, and wealthy and not luxury and upscale cars.

    Prius sales fell off after September 2013 because plug-ins showed up and gave a better return. With the exception of Boston, charging at home is half the cost of gas. Then Teslas showed up that shamed traffic light racers and gutted the luxury and upscale market.

    The Tesla Supercharger network gives an advantage that the Bolt will never see because GM claims they will never invest in a charging network. Tesla did which gives the Model 3 long legs the Bolt does not have.

    Bob Wilson

  9. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: Yes,mahindra does sell tractors here in the USA. They have for years. But that doesn’t translate to being able to legally sell cars in this country.

    I think they found that out last time around. They had to establish dealer connections,charge them big bux for the rights to sell the vaporware pickup,along with meeting mahindras strict showroom guidelines as well as all the ‘mandatory’ tools etc.

    This was a huge outlay for the dealers. Meanwhile,if memory serves,mahindra dragged their feet for the certifying process of the small truck.T

    Then certain things had time elapsed then the truck was withdrawn,and the dealers were stuck with no product from mahindra to sell.

    AFTER laying out all this money for licensing fees/showrooms/and tools etc. So the dealers took mahindra to court and sued them. As to the outcome,I never did hear anything about it.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #8 Bob Wilson, or anyone who knows:

    Does Tesla plan to expand the “Supercharger” network enough to handle the Model 3′s, if and when there are hundreds of thousands of them on the road? I can imagine people being unhappy if they need to wait in line an hour or two to charge their cars.

    I guess I’m “old fashioned,” but I still see a pure electric car as useful mainly within the range it has for a round trip from home, or one way to a known charge station where you will spend the day. Plug-in hybrid are do-everything cars, that make sense for those whose daily commutes are fairly short. Then, for those of us in apartments and condos with no place to plug in, plain hybrids work quite well for daily transportation.

  11. Al573 Says:

    Latest info

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9 I bet potential dealers will want to see actual U.S.-legal vehicles, before they would want to sign on with Mahindra again to sell road vehicles.

  13. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: I’m sure of that.It makes good financial sense to be wary of doing business with them.

  14. G.A.Branigan Says:

    here’s a story that covered it pretty good:

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It sounds like the Mahindra truck wasn’t even close to ready for the U.S. market. Even the very-long-of-tooth Ranger was much better, and got better mpg on gas than the M & M on diesel.

  16. joe Says:

    Elon Musk, the cult leader, has spoken. Now the followers are obeying. That’s what kept Tesla in business. Any other company would have been long gone.

  17. kurt w Says:

    Would be great if some future autoline afterhours discusses where all these recent supercars (Dodge Demon, Jeep Trackhawk, Corvette ZR1, etc) can be driven in ways that make sense, given our highway speed limits and roadway maintenance don’t accommodate their power and speed. Track stars, yes, but on local roads???

  18. Bob Wilson Says:

    #10 – Tesla opened a new, 10 station, SuperCharger network this summer in Athens AL. The web link is to a September 11, 2017 article about current expansion and plans for:

    “Tesla updated the map earlier this year with its plan to reach 10,000 Superchargers by the end of 2017.

    The automaker just now reached 900 Supercharger stations with 6,000 Supercharger stalls toward that goal and it has a just as ambitious goal to have 18,000 Superchargers in its network in 2018.”

    Bob Wilson

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #17 Thanks for the info. It looks like tbey have very ambitious goals for the charge stations. I’ll check the link.

    #16 I suspect most of those cars, plus ZL1 1LE will mostly be “collected,” and not driven. Luckily, there are some places around the country to play with them on tracks, for those who want to do that.

  20. Chuck Grenci Says:

    #8,10 (and maybe a couple others); while the Superchargers will be available to the Model 3 they won’t be free. I seem to recall something that there would be either an upcharge to the “3″ or an at-charger charge. (And then, as said earlier, if the Model 3 does get built in numbers, even with additional stations built, they may become awful crowded.)

    As to where these supercars can be unleashed, this is certainly not a new problem; some will remain as investments, some may find the track, some morons will wreck them on the public highways and some will merely not be used to their potential.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    While my “base” Corvette doesn’t have the performance of some of the cars mentioned, it has far more than can be used on public roads. It’s still fun, though, even not used to full potential.

  22. jmann Says:

    #20 Kit: The damn thing is ugly and makes no sense. Sports car? NOT!

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #21 I agree that it makes no sense, or little sense. As far as it being ugly, or not a sports car, whatever.

  24. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Of all things automotive, styling is the most subjective; a statement of ugly is slightly ignorant as beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. (some even bought Aztecs and a variety of other ‘considered’ ugly vehicles)

    Kit, kudos for buying the Vette; it’s what you wanted and you got it.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’ve known a couple people who bought Aztecs, but even they thought they were fairly ugly, but bought them because they were functional, and a good value.