AD #2499 – Lincoln Creates Continental with Suicide Doors, Porsche 911 Hybrid Details, JLR To Cut Thousands of Jobs

December 17th, 2018 at 11:42am

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Runtime: 8:25

0:28 JLR To Cut Thousands of Jobs
0:46 FCA Idles Plants to Reduce Inventory
1:27 Mercedes To Unveil New CLA at CES
1:57 California Mandates Electric Buses
2:32 Hyundai Kona EV Pricing Revealed
2:56 Infiniti To Reveal Electric SUV In Detroit
3:40 Tesla Faces Another Organizing Effort
4:09 Porsche 911 Hybrid Details
5:08 Lincoln Creates Continental with Suicide Doors
6:05 Why Tesla Should Sell Through Franchised Dealers

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36 Comments to “AD #2499 – Lincoln Creates Continental with Suicide Doors, Porsche 911 Hybrid Details, JLR To Cut Thousands of Jobs”

  1. Drew Says:

    I love the coach doors and longer wheelbase on the Continental. If only… it launched this way 2 years ago… it had a longer rear overhang… it had more dash to front axle…if only. Well, I applaud Lincoln for demonstrating the kind of thinking that appeals to automotive luxury car historians. Now, can they resurrect a luxurious broadcloth seat material and ditch the “soft touch” vinyl?!?! Biscuit weave please.

  2. Barry Says:

    Sean,
    After Lincoln has the first 80 Continentals with suicide doors as a special edition, did you say that they will continue building them?

  3. Bradley Says:

    Kudos to Lincoln for making their lawyers nervous and adding interest to their cars.

    That advocate for the Car Dealers…he fulfills every stereotype of a slimy sales guy that I can think of…I bet he had snake skin boots on too. :) Sorry..he just doesn’t make me care..and brands like VW treat their customers horribly…I bet Tesla is rated better in customer satisfaction.

  4. David Sprowl Says:

    CA insistence on all things green is problematic for the auto industry. The shear cost of electrics is driving many from the new car market. Yet current skyline photos of LA today vs that of the early to mid 70′s demonstrates a vast improvement over emissions.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    I understand Fontaines comments about having a dealer network for a level playing field but yet fail to understand how that protects the consumer. Having a service center close by is a convenience and nice but doesn’t provide protection from anything other than maybe a huge tow bill.

  6. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Barry – If I’m reading it right, the first 80 for 2019 will be the only ones with the special sill plate. The ones for 2020 will be a limited run, but without the plate.

  7. Albemarle Says:

    My mom had a Continental with the suicide doors. It also was a true hardtop. Loved that car with its enormous engine. Quiet, smooth and an excellent long distance family car. Great for dating too!

    I understand the self-serving dealers and their organizing bodies with their ‘it’s all about the customer’ attitude. What amazes me is how they say these things with a straight face. If it’s all about the customer, why does it always take 2-5 days to get a part? Franchise laws are the result of rich car dealers influencing their elected representatives, not the plaintive cry of the disadvantaged citizen.

  8. MARK TILTON Says:

    This is the original show car of 5 years ago. These FORWARD thinking is now 10 years out of date – - – - – same as the 10 year over due BRONCO and RANGER.

  9. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    Sounds like California will continue buying power from other states with coal and natural gas power plants for many years to come. That is a huge amount of power to be consumed by their bus fleets on a daily basis. Especially if their citizenry starts adopting EVs at a higher rate in California. I suspect their mandate will ultimately be reversed. Just a hunch.

  10. Phred Says:

    Still did not hear a convincing explanation as to why Tesla “needs franchise dealers” as opposed to “company stores” to interface with the consumer.

  11. Michael T. Says:

    You have the Kona Price Wrong it is
    Hyundai today announced the starting price for its long-awaited 2019 Kona Electric convention-breaking electric crossover. The Kona Electric starting price is $36,450 not $37,450…

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Lincoln looks kind of cool, but how many people will want to pay over $100K for a stretched Fusion, built by a chop shop. OK, they are a well respected chop shop, but still.

  13. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    12) Even worse kit….It is a strectched Ford Taurus.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 C and D says “When the Kona Electric goes on sale in early 2019, it will start at $37,495.” I suspect it is $36,450, plus $1000 “destination charge,” making it $37,450.

  15. Larry D. Says:

    The reason JLR is cutting a ton of jobs is not that the industry is slowing down but that Jaguar (not Rover) sales are pitifully low, despite the addition of an unnecessary SUV or two (if they want SUVs they can go buy the real thing, the Range Rover and its cheaper smaller variations). BTW, when Volvo cuts a ton of jobs in the next few days, weeks or months, it will also be VOlvo’s fault.

    Lincoln’s tiny (6″) stretch and fancy suicide doors. You put this in the top news story position. Didn’t Ford kill the Continental recently? Even if it did not, they will make only…. 80 of them? Talk about low expectations. And finally, even at $100,000+, will they make one dime off them? I bet it’s just a PR Stunt, and it will cost them millions.

    Finally, the video segment with the dealer. He sure did not convince me. Competition is good for the consumer, not the dealer, and sure not for a dealer who is not allowed to sell the red-hot competing product (Teslas).

    No. the name of the game is Vewrtical Integration. You try to get as much of the $ off making and selling and servicing a car as possible. This is why Tesla goes over the heads of the middlemen dealers. Not so much for the initial price, but especially for the huge profits of the SERVICE department has for gas powered vehicles, which will be smaller, but still significant for EVs.

  16. Larry D. Says:

    The ugly Kona is too expensive. I doubt it will sell well, but stranger things have happened (look at the stellar success of Subaru)

    12 They are only making 80 (not even 800). They know it will not sell.

    13 True. Only the nostalgia buyers will want one, not any Enthusiast. After all, real cars are RWD, not FWD and NOT AWD or 4WD (According to the great Carlson, the Top Gear star when the show made zillions)

  17. Brett Cammack Says:

    Franchise laws are to protect the dealer from the manufacturer. He did a masterful job of comprehensively not answering the questions quite thoroughly.

    The “suicide doors” look awkward to close while seated in the vehicle. Presumably your chauffeur is supposed to close that once you are comfortably ensconced within.

  18. bradley cross Says:

    Dealerships are funny. They overcharge their customers then boast how they give back a tiny percentage to their communities.
    Some of their service folks are reasonable but their sales folks are often from a 70s bad movie.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 There will be 80 for the 2019 model year, and then maybe a few more for 2020. From the linked article:

    “Each of the 80 units in this limited production for 2019 will have a special door sill plate featuring its number in the run. A limited number of additional Continental Coach Door Edition sedans will be available as well for the 2020 model year.

  20. ChuckGrenci Says:

    17 and 18: Watch the whole show; margins are very slim for a new car dealer, and all these big incentives are coming from the manufacturer so his description and dialogue (to me) rang true. Without dealers, Tesla is not providing services that are close to many without a service center near (saves them money but doesn’t help customers miles and miles away). I’m not saying either system is right or wrong but both sides should have to play by the same rules (either way; direct sales or franchised dealers).

  21. Lambo2015 Says:

    #20 Yea not having to play by the same rules isn’t fair and puts dealers at a disadvantage on price? when it comes to Tesla. Yet Tesla cars are priced at the high end of anything the dealers have to offer. So are they really at a disadvantage?
    Just sounded like a bunch of (protect my business jargon) They can make it sound like its for the consumer and to protect us but he didn’t explain how or from what. I would be perfectly fine with buying a car online and never dealing with a dealership. The only reason I ever go back is for an issue covered by warranty which could be done at a service center. So if he wants the playing field even.. Let manufacturers sell cars direct.

  22. buzzerd Says:

    I was talking to a person that owned a Tesla that hit a deer. Of course no dealer around but a body shop could work on the car. They had to take the car apart to make sure they were ordering everything they needed. Assemble the car, then wait weeks and weeks for the parts to show up. He then brought the car back for repair. Definitely a pain in the arse. I would think it’s stuff like that is what you get with out a dealer network and or parts inventory.

  23. Lambo2015 Says:

    #15 How would it cost Ford millions to have a outside shop modify the Lincoln and sell it for $100k. Ford just moves another 80 units. No different than the Limos they sell. The high price is the cost to do the modification. Also same with Saleen or Roush Mustangs, and Every RV made on a Ford or GM Chassis.

  24. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Michael T. #11 – The Kona Electric starting price is $36,450 plus $1,045 in delivery charges. That brings it to the price we reported, $37,495. We could have made it a little less confusing by including a line that the price factored in delivery.

  25. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    Hi Sean. Will you also be doing a segment on the leasing struggles that TESLA is currently having? As of October, there are no leases being approved and TESLA has de-listed their lease provider from their website. It is unclear when it will be back. There are even persons who may have to return their TESLA vehicles who got caught up in the snafu with the lease provider that TESLA made the agreements with.

    Given that leasing is a high percentage of luxury car sales, I would assume this will have an impact on TESLA sales for the last quarter.

  26. Larry D. Says:

    23 You’re probably correct, assuming the only changes from the stock is the stretching and the doors. I was thinking of other limited run (and much more expensive) vehicles such as the original Bugatti Veyron, I saw VW lost $3 million on each one (!), and the price was around $1.7 million per car. But that probably included the whole cost to develop and make the cars, R&D and all that. VW Group made 450 Veyrons over 10 years, 300 coupes and 150 roadsters.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    My thought on the Continental is that the quality will be substandard. I’ve seen some of these limos up close, and they look as you’d expect, a car cut in two, and welded together with a “leaf” in the middle, with mediocre quality.

  28. Drew Says:

    @13 -The Continental is not a stretched U.S. Taurus. The Taurus is on an adaptation of a Volvo S-80 platform from over a decade ago. The Continental, MKZ, MKX, Fusion, Edge, and Chinese Taurus are based on the CD4 platform.

    @16 – Your rejection of anything not RWD will be challenged by a vast majority of vehicle owners… including nearly all Audi and Acura owners, and including many Lexus, Infiniti, and Cadillac owners… and including more than a few BMW and MB owners.

  29. Bob Wilson Says:

    My dealer complaints over the years: (1) ‘service’ did not share tread depths and alignment numbers as requested; (2) overfilled engine oil; (3) sales only addressing cars in their particular lot; (4) having to teach sales how to drive hybrids on a test drive; (5) SE Toyota region refuses to carry plug-in Prius; (6) under paid service techs isolated from customers who in frustration leave to open independent shops; (7) walking out the door to get best offer; (8) locking up chargers outside of business hours, and; (9) we don’t do Tesla style, house calls.

    My most recent car purchases: (1) 1,200 mi drive home from Internet sale in Rhode Island; (2) 460 mi drive home from Internet sale; (3) 800 mi drive home from Internet sale, and; (4) walking out the door when sales manager finally used the Internet to find the car we wanted and had it shipped.

    With Tesla I can (GET TO!) order exactly the car I want. It is built and delivered to my home or the nearest Tesla store. In contrast, ordering the car I want from a dealer is impossible. So I buy an aftermarket trailer hitch, dash cam, 12V-to-120 VAC inverter, and full-size spare tire.

    USA dealers are the fast-food of car sales … even the Internet beats them. In contrast, Tesla is a first class restaurant who wants your repeat business.

  30. Stephen Says:

    The Kona has been on sale outside the US for some time and there are long waiting lists so I doubt it will be a lame duck sale. If the sales are lower they can just cut the Non-US waiting lists. Hyundai are about to bring out their own longer wheelbase version of same.
    As for Jag, the sales of their sedan cars have fallen and the New SUV is not filling in the gap so hence the cut. As interest rates rise from near zilch, then so will car sales suffer and sedans even more so. The post recession sale spike is flattening out and the record sales had to slow down. Expect even more impact if China buyers start demanding EVs as the gov wants.
    Dealers want to sell anything that sells well and they have trouble convincing millenials that anything they sell is better than Tesla in the hybrid/EV and they want to sell them

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I don’t understand Jaguar even selling SUVs. Next to Jeep, JLR has the best known SUV brand in the world, with Land Rover. Why not just sell Jaguar cars and Land Rover trucks?

  32. Larry D. Says:

    27 Agree. And even if Ford does not lose $ on the deal, what did it achieve? A Continental stretched by a few inches, selling for $100k, without any mechanical improvements, and no interior upgrades except for these fancy suicide retro doors (which actually necessitated the 6″ stretch).

    Compare this product with all the Flagship, RWD or 4WD, offerings from Merc, BMW, Audi and Lexus. ALL offer stretch versions like this Conti, with far better quality and performance, for LESS than the $100k.

    No wonder they only make 80.

  33. Larry D. Says:

    31 All good and correct points. I could imagine why. The CEO of JLR has a meeting with the Jag VP and the land Rover VP, and beats the Jag VP over the head about the many years of dismal sales and billions in losses. He points the LR VP and tells him, “Why can’t you be incredibly successful like that guy?”. “Because I have no freaking SUVs or Crossovers”, says the Jag VP. OK, why don’t you make a couple of these so you can stop crying, and we’ll see if you can make a profit and recover from your comatose sales”.

    My guess, the Jag SUVs will also sell poorly, if they are offered in the same dealership next to the Iconic Range Rovers and their cheaper lesser siblings.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    30 US tastes are notoriously different than those in Europe and Japan and anyplace else. In Addition, the Kona is a pure EV. NO Pure EV sells in the US except Teslas. It is a brand thing, like JEEP.

    As John McElroy said in the latest AAH, the sales data in the US show that consumers will buy everything with Jeep or Tesla on it.

    In addition, the Kona is not even attractive. Especially its ugly non-grille grille.

  35. Larry D. Says:

    I have a free subscription to Ward’s emails and articles, a site affiliated with this one, and just got an email with the latest. One article under “the Big Story” is titled “EV Infrastructure Charges Up”, and claims that Infrasstructure for EVs, namely BEVs, is getting a boost via thousands of new charding stations coming online in the US in the next 8 years. In addition, charging speeds and times are improving ahead of new long-range BEVs arriving soon. The author is Christie Schweinsberg, an EV advocate who has been on this show and AAH before.

    According to Alix Partners, Automakers will spend $255 billion the next few years on BEV development and production.

    Wards estimates nearly 300 (!!!) new or major redesigned BEVs will debut globally between now and 2025 (that’s just 6 years!)

  36. Tim Beaumont Says:

    In 2017 I bought a Tesla Model S P100D. Best car I’ve ever owned. I would never have even considered it, had I been forced to purchase through a traditional franchise auto dealer.