AD #2610 – FCA/Renault Merger Falling Apart, FCA Executive Sues FCA, Land Rover Discovery Impressions

June 6th, 2019 at 12:00pm

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Runtime: 8:25

0:07 FCA/Renault Merger Falling Apart
1:04 Reid Bigland Sues FCA
2:10 EV Sales Continue to Surge
2:55 Audi e-tron Off to Fast Start
3:33 Land Rover Discovery Impressions
5:40 Your Input on GM’s AVs

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35 Comments to “AD #2610 – FCA/Renault Merger Falling Apart, FCA Executive Sues FCA, Land Rover Discovery Impressions”

  1. ChuckGrenci Says:

    So Sean, instead of way, way, way too much for the Land Rover, and I don’t want to put any words in your mouth, would you say, it’s only just too much (leaving out the ways). 80 grand is still a heap of money (for anything). JMO :)

  2. Brett Cammack Says:

    I could buy three top-of-the-line ICE Outlanders for that kind of money.

  3. Dale Leonard Says:

    I think that Ford and FCA should merge. Talk about cornering the Muscle Car Market. Plus with Jeep Ford could really put money in the bank.

  4. Barry T Says:

    At least superficially, I think FCA should take advantage of the disruption and grab Nissan, and “let” Renault merge with Citroen Peugeot. Nissan has the cars and global reach, FCA has the trucks and Jeeps. The French government might not allow the free capitalism potential for a great worldwide car company to ultimately prosper.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    2 Just because one can does not mean one should.

    Not that I would waste the $80k on the low-level LR (not even a Range Rover!!!!!) either.

  6. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Chuck – For normal, everyday driving I think the Discovery is too much. If you do mild off roading or overlanding, I think price is more justifiable.

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    The EV sales compared to last year are deceiving. Especially when looking at a segment that is just getting going. The jumps sound great but its still a small percentage of overall sales. A trend chart in comparison to overall sales would give a better picture as to what’s actually going on.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    6 a “British” SUV without a single square inch (instead of ACRES) of Wood Veneer, for $80k, and a lousy V6?) Watch its sales plummet to single digits.

  9. Jonathan Says:

    A ford fca merger seems uniquely interesting.

    Does either have any electric car development to speak of. I believe fca paid 2 billion last year to share carbon credits with tesla just for such a reason…

  10. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean your impressions on the Rover, although they changed from your first impressions, never really justified the 80K price tag. So yeah you got used to some of the things you didn’t like initially but what makes this LR worth twice the price of many other SUVs in that segment?
    I understand Land Rover is a status symbol and you pay a premium for the name but when it really comes to its amenities, abilities, fit and finish, what sets it apart other than hidden compartments and a high liftgate?

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A Ford/FCA merger would be good, if your goal is to dominate the US Truck market. The future prospects wouldn’t be very good, though.

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean I also recognized where you took those pictures of the Discovery. Nankin lake drive off Ann Arbor Rd in Westland. The Oak Grove picnic area. Used to go there during my lunch break. Nice area for a photo shoot.

  13. Drew Says:

    @9 – Ford has EV experience… a couple of decades ago with the Ranger EV and recently with the Focus BEV. Ford updated the EV system on the Focus a few years ago, and nearly doubled the range to about 130-150 miles. It’s battery management software is amongst the leaders in the industry. Ford fans expect the upcoming Mustang-inspired BEV crossover will position Ford among the most desirable EV brands.

  14. Larry D. Says:

    12 Pickups for sure, but not SUVs. GM alone sold a million of them last year.

  15. Larry D. Says:

    Both GM and FCA bought a ton of carbon credits from Tesla. Either way, GM’s trucks can finance GM’s EVs, as Lutz admitted in a rather defeatist way, or, as is currently done, GM’s trucks finance Tesla’s EVs.

  16. Phred Says:

    The $80K land Rover ?? Way over priced compared to what $80K will buy you in that segment. The FCA executive becoming a “whistle blower” is a prime example of the “loss” of corporate morality and ethics. The Board Room inhabitants need a mirror for these individuals to look into to see who they have become.

  17. XA351GT Says:

    All I can say to those in favor of AV’s is I hope it isn’t anyone in your family (or anyone else’s ) That gets killed or seriously injured when that tech fails. It will fail it will only be a question of when. How many cars do you see driving around with damage? Now what if that damage is in a area of the car that contains the sensors needed for proper operation. How many cars do you see in winter covered in snow because the owner is too lazy to clear it off and in many states that is the law and it doesn’t matter . Or dirt or any other thing that could affect the accuracy of those sensors. The tech may work in a perfect world ,but that isn’t where we live.

  18. GM Veteran Says:

    If you ask me, FCA dodged a bullet. Thank goodness they came to their senses at the last minute. The French government’s involvement in Renault has not been a positive one overall. Goverment’s owning and controlling large businesses rarely works. (see British Leyland)

    That merger would have been a slow-forming disaster for the Jeep and Ram brands.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 Jeep brand sold 973K in 2018. I didn’t look them up, but Durango + Journey would have sold a few tens of thousands.

    Then there’s Ford. Edge + Escape + Expedition + Explorer sold 727K. Add in the Lincolns, and Ford plus FCA would have been close to 2M CUV/SUVs. If that isn’t dominant, it’s certainly a large market share.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 For sure. Renault is the “2nd tier” car company, even in France, except maybe for some vans.

    VW should buy FCA. That would fill their big product holes in North America, and give them a lot more dealers to sell their other stuff.

  21. Larry D. Says:

    19 GM dominated SUVs in 2018 and Ford Pickups. MAybe the 1 mill GM SUVs was for less than one year, but I seriously doubt Jeep sold 973k alone.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    21 While the Jeep no was, amazingly, correct at 937k, GM’s crossovers were way higher at 1,304,808.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 …and FCA plus Ford CUV/SUV sales would be ~2M. That was my point.

    GM still dominates the monster SUV market, i.e. Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban, Escalade.

    Speaking of near-monster SUVs, That Land Rover is bigger than I realized, only 8 inches shorter, and 200 pounds lighter than a Tahoe. The LR is actually an inch wider than the Chevy, in CR’s measurements.

  24. Lambo2015 Says:

    The Chevy Tahoe Denali is probably close to 80K I wonder how that compares to the Discovery.

  25. bradley cross Says:

    Another overpaid executive losses some money, no one cares except for him & his lawyers.

    EVs will slowly creep up. Incentives sure help but there is almost zero chance of more incentives getting thru the Senate unless it involves ethanol.
    Audi e-tron looks very normal from the back. Key thing is the sales rate in 1 years time.

    Nissan will likely split from Renault within 3 years. All they got was Renault cheapness.

  26. Lambo2015 Says:

    24 Opps I meant the GMC Denali and yea with the few options left you can get the sticker over 80K. The Chevy Tahoe needs to have just about everything you can get option wise to push the 80K.

  27. Lambo2015 Says:

    25 Overpaid is a relative term. No one seems to care that we pay athletes millions of dollars to play a game for a living. Or actors to pretend to be someone else for Millions of dollars. So having a part in running a billion dollar company seems to warrant a high salary. I care that FCA decided to take a portion of his pay to pay fines for things they did that were unethical. I hope he is awarded double what they took and pay for his lawyers. Whistle blowers need to be protected otherwise corruption runs rampant.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 I knew what you meant. I found a couple articles about Yukon and Tahoe, and it sounds like a loaded, top trim Tahoe is about about the same as a loaded Denali, for about $5K less.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 My thought on highly paid athletes, vs CEOs, is that the pool of athletes is much smaller. There would have been tens of thousands of people who could have done a better job than Roger Smith of running GM in the ’80s, but there wouldn’t have been a lot of people who could play basketball better than Michael Jordan.

  30. DonWagner1239 Says:

    Glad to see the FCA/Renault deal fall through. I like getting my retirement every month not to rejoice.
    The Land Rover is way too Plain Jane to go for $80k. One can load up a Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit and not get to that figure. Got to load up an SRT or maybe get a discounted Trackhawk for that.
    Is Tesla subsisting on selling those carbon credits? Sure not from confidence on their viability (stock price tanking).
    No on the driverless EVs/controls. How does one maneuver one of them in the driveway from say garage to parking someplace to wash it or any other minor movement? An iPhone app?

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 The Land Rover is bigger than a GC, and is three row, but yeah, the GC is a much better value, for those who don’t have 5 kids. Can’t you get a Hellcat GC for $80K, or maybe that is called Trailhawk? I’d think it would more of a roadhawk than a trail hawk.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I searched it, and the Hellcat GC is Trackhawk, with a base price of about $87K.

  33. Brett Cammack Says:

    5 You should take a drive in a loaded 2019 Outlander. You might have to admit that it’s a heckova value for the money. Yes, I know you can buy used German imports hand over fist for that money, but the conversation is about new Range Rover Discoveries and new Outlanders, not how to maximize value buying a vehicle.

  34. DonWagner1239 Says:

    Kit: Couldn’t see the 3rd row in Sean’s driving. Me, I like my Dodge Journey, but the 3rd row is down for the really great carrying volume.

    There is a Jeep Grand Cherokee TRAILhawk. More set up for actual “off-roading”. I think the name first was applied to a 2014 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk (I had a 2015).

    Adding all options to a Trackhawk, it comes to $103,150, about 2.5 times what my current Grand Cherokee Altitude (yes, it’s a poser) cost. It’s interesting that the Trackhawk can actually be used for trailering. I can see it now; “My Airstream is faster than yours!”

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 The Trackhawk is taking niche vehicle to extremes, but it’s kind of cool that they make it.