AD #2617 – GM Considers Building an Electric Hummer, VW Workers Reject UAW, OEM/Supplier Relationship Study

June 17th, 2019 at 11:41am

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Runtime: 7:33

0:07 VW Workers Reject Unionization
0:39 GM Considers Building an Electric Hummer
2:05 Which OEMs Do Suppliers Like to Work With?
2:49 VinFast Launches 1st Vehicle
3:39 VW Offers 8-Year Battery Warranty
4:09 Toyota Wins 24 Hours of LeMans
5:06 Why FCA/Renault Deal Makes Sense

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53 Comments to “AD #2617 – GM Considers Building an Electric Hummer, VW Workers Reject UAW, OEM/Supplier Relationship Study”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    To me, one of the few good aspects of the financial meltdown and GM bankruptcy was the demise of Hummer. Hummers were truly disgusting vehicles, specifically designed to injure and kill people in other vehicles, by having bumpers about 3 feet above the ground. We don’t need Hummer to be revived, either in electric or gas guzzler form.

  2. Larry D. Says:

    While the electric Pickup Truck was dumb enough, an Electric Hummer is probably the peak of stupidity. No wonder it came from the Geniuses in Detroit….

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    So GM goes from the realization that they cant sell 45K electric econoboxes to figuring they can sell a 70K+ electric Hummer. A vehicle that didn’t even sell that well in a gas version. The H2 averaged 19,128 units a year and the H3 averaged 31,358 units a year. Hopefully its a short lived idea.

    VW union; Maybe all the corruption and illegal activity in recent years has had an impact on workers willing to pay a union part of their pay. Only to see huge kickbacks to union execs on a half heartedly negotiated contract.

    As for FCA receiving such poor scores when it comes to work with them. This is no doubt partially due to the shuffling of ownership. Chrysler and Jeep had their way of doing business for vehicle development. Then Daimler changed things up only to have Fiat change things up again. Technical specs and such which once were acceptable are changed and without an expected impact to cost.

  4. Barry T Says:

    Electric Hummer might actually be a great idea… Utility and capability might be greatly improved as an EV. Not sure range will be any more of an issue… I’ve never thought of any Hummer as being cross-country road trip type of vehicle anyway.

    Think electric Jeep. The story doesn’t say size or platform so maybe a Jeep-Bronco alternative brand reintroduced in a green suit.

    Plus, the larger the platform that goes electric, the more excited any “green” person should be for it to be replacing a large gas vehicle in the market. At least that’s how I hear it preached.

  5. Lex Says:

    GM should bring back both Hummer and Saturn nameplates as EV’s. The Saturn ION nameplate would be a fantastic name for an EV.

  6. Albemarle Says:

    I think the VinFast news is interesting. A new OEM that outsourced most or all of the car design and engineering. Still have the assembly portion, but not the R&D expense. Perhaps break even at lower volumes?

  7. Lex Says:

    I still do not for the life of me understand how the EV Start-up “Rivian” is using the “Skateboard” EV platform, since GM developed it back around the year 2000?
    Did GM simply take their eye off the ball, when they were crushing all those EV1′s ?

  8. Albemarle Says:

    Perhaps GM feels the name Hummer is a nod to the EV sound.

  9. BobD Says:

    Electric Hummer? That’s just crazy talk. I had to check the calander that it was not April 1.

  10. Lex Says:

    I have real concerns that FCA is planning to switch the Jeep Grand Cherokee over to a FIAT platform! They should not mesh with a good thing and leave it well enough alone. Adding a seven seater Jeep Grand Wagoneer is fine with me, or giving the Cherokee a little more interior room would also be a welcomed improvement. The Grand Cherokee is iconic and a winning formula.

  11. Lex Says:

    I believe GM wants an electric Hummer type vehicle to battle what Rivian is bringing to market. Rivian has a Truck and Pickup in the pipeline with crazy towing and power numbers. GM sees Hummer as a Rivian counter measure to grab some of those potential customers. The US Government could electrify the southern boarder and use these vehicles to patrol it with recharging stations at specific intervals.

  12. Bradley Says:

    Unless there was some dramatic styling changes, an electric Hummer wouldn’t compete against Rivian.

    GM needs to provide something you can’t get elsewhere if it wants my $$. They are definitely competitive, but I didn’t start buying other brands because they were simply competitive.

    Saturn makes more sense to be an all electric brand. Sure sell a pickup under that brand named after one of Saturn’s moons

  13. WineGeek Says:

    The Renault FCA deal makes no sense from an economic sense FCA is more profitable and sells more vehicles. Why would you take a 50/50 deal? In addition who wants to deal with the French Government?

  14. wmb Says:

    The thing that always has me scratching my head when it comes to electric SUV’s, that are built for serious off roading, is: where do you plug it in, out in the deep wilderness? Even if you could go 300 miles between charges, that’s only about 150 miles from home round trip, under ideal circumstances. Then if you use any of its electricity to tow, for lighting or to power, say a wench, your cutting into your return power reserve! I know SUV/CUV/crossovers are what the buying public are in to, and for local trips, and even longer distances where there is a charging point at the end of it, EV’s make a lot of since. Yet a Hummer EV with its aerodynamically challenged design, but hulking “Built to Go Anywhere” status, would seem to be at odds with with use of it as an EV (a hybrid might be better). I think GM’s lawyers might want to fix the slogan with: “Built to Go Anywhere*!”

    *(the term “Anywhere”, is meant to imply where there is a charging port; individual results will vary)

  15. Lambo2015 Says:

    14 In addition to your concerns, for me the concern would be how serious off-roaders use them. granted its a small percentage that would ever be used this way but they do offer Snorkle kits. Get a snorkel kit for your Jeep or Hummer EV so you can cross that stream. How you feel about being submerged in water with a 80+Kw battery?

  16. Doug Says:

    GMC is a differentiated brand. Adding an electric Jeep-like vehicle to GMC would further accentuate the brand in the same way electric vehicles are being introduced through Cadillac first.

  17. Dale Leonard Says:

    Hummer should be built in all versions. Gas,Diesel,Plug-in and all Electric. It’s sad it took GM so long to realize axing Hummer was a huge monetary error. Not to mention China auto importers buy up every Hummer they can find in the USA and ship them over for all their rich Chinese buyers.

  18. Bob Wilson Says:

    Are any of the Autoline or Detroit reporters going to the Munro EV conference? I have my ticket and will drive my Standard Range Plus Model 3 from Alabama, 700 miles.

  19. Bob Wilson Says:

    Perhaps GM means a raised, electric Tahoe with boxy fenders and knobby tires?

  20. ChuckGrenci Says:

    If I’m not mistaken (well, I certainly could be), I thought that an H4 was in the works and was supposedly pretty good. As an electric it just might offer something that some would embrace. As with any vehicle, if it does something very well and is better than the competition maybe we’re talking a viable addition. I certainly would not green light an electric Hummer of the H2 size.

  21. Larry D. Says:

    Saturn was hyped with all kinds of promises, Oldsmobile had to be sacrificed for STUPID Saturn, the ION was a GOD AWFUL vehicle. It would be equally idiotic for GM to bring back this damaged goods brand as to resurrect Hummer.

    As for the Ugly, Gimmicky Rivian, no chance in hell.

  22. Carl Says:

    Only thing crazier than some of the stories posted here (electric Hummer) are some of the posters themselves. Wish we could use filters to block people we don’t want to hear from. What do you say Autoline?

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 While the Hummer H2 was very capable off-road, as long as you had a wide enough path, few people bought them to drive off-road. The bought them for the macho/militaristic image. Would an electric macho machine sell? I wouldn’t think so, but who knows?

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 An H4 was in the works, but there seemed to be different stories about what it would have been. I remember hearing that it would be based on the transverse engine Equinox/Vue platform, but also that it would be, essentially, a shortened version of the H3, which used the Colorado/Canyon platform.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 FCA already has that “Grand Wagoneer,” in the form of the Dodge Durango. They should probably make a Jeep version. It shouldn’t take that much to tool the body work, and they could charge higher prices for a Jeep, than for a Dodge that is about the same thing.

  26. Larry D. Says:

    25 The Grand Wagoneer better have a far better interior than the rental Durango I had the misfortune to ride in (passenger seat). Really low-rent and low-quality

  27. Lambo2015 Says:

    25 So a Durango with a new Jeep grill and faux wood sides? I mean I don’t think a woody has been done in 30 years? Oh yea for good reason. lol

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26,27 Yeah, the Grand Wagoneer would need an interior from the top trim Grand Cherokee. I hadn’t thought about the woody treatment, but maybe it’s time for it to make a come back. The Roadmaster wagon is the most recent “woody” I can think of, and that was more than 20 years ago.

  29. Drew Says:

    @27 – Do you remember the highly unsuccessful Lincoln Blackwood? It was one of many failures in the J Mays/Jacques Nasser era if Ford.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 There was a Blackwood recently at my condo. Didn’t they re-introduce something like the Blackwood, with a different name?

  31. cwolf Says:

    I remember the Faux wood on many vehicles from the past. I disliked them but they made me a lot of $ replacing them when I had an upholstery business. Besides the usual scratches or accidents, they would fade like no tomorrow. IMO, they only made a vehicle look cheap. Even on the Wagoneer.
    I think it is unfortunate for the UAW to loose the needed votes. The state and VW white collar’s made it lopsided and the UAW corruption added the final nail in the coffin. The UAW does need to clean house, but I can think of a number of company leaders who are equally corrupt. If the UAW ever becomes a true voice of the worker’s, it will truly be rewarding and good for the economy. Those on top make just too much money for doing nothing.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I should have ordered the woody treatment on my turbo 5-speed Dodge Caravan, if it was still available in 1989. It would make the van more collectable, but yeah, silly looking.

  33. Larry D. Says:

    32 even if it was the original actual wood, I would not. It is much better to have all the real wood inside the vehicle. As for the ‘painted on’ (not even fake wood) wood-like exterior on these Dodge Vans, I bet they would have been ruined in a decade or two from the elements.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    28 for a very expensive, top of the line big Jeep, the interior should be better than the grand Cherokee and the other jeeps. Flagship Model. Also the leg room should be ample in all 3 rows, as well as the trunk space, making it able to compete with the Suburbans and the Expedition L versions.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 The vinyl “wood” deteriorates mainly from being in the sun. It can stay in good shape for many years, on cars that are usually garaged except when being driven, like my van. Still, I wasn’t serious about wishing I’d gotten it. It looks silly, even when in good condition.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 Ideally, I guess it should have an interior sort of like a Range Rover, but the room of a Suburban. Would people pay $80K+ for something like that from FCA, if it existed?

  37. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    34) Completely agree. For the money they are likely to charge, if it was a stretched Grand Cherokee…No thanks.

  38. ChuckGrenci Says:

    35,
    I remember when my neighbor got an early Caravan with the wood-look; he told me his brother in law commented: Hey, I see you got a new vehicle, and it isn’t even out of the crate yet.

  39. Larry D. Says:

    36 If it were available now, people would pay close to $100k for it, if it is a flagship Jeep. Esp with options and the top engine. If it is available in 2022 or later, I’m less sure.

    PS The top Range Rover, the Autobiography, sells for well over $200,000 with options, competes with the RR and Bentley SUVs.

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    39 The Range Rovers I see at the dealer near me in Florida seem to be about $100K. That’s a lot of money for an unreliable two row SUV with a V6 engine, but even the lower trim levels have a very nice interior.

  41. Larry D. Says:

    40 A major item in my very incomplete bucket list is space tourism. Currently Virgin Galactic offers $250k (up from $200k) packages, but a competitor at Curacao mentioned $95k, which is a far better use of my $ than that $100k base RR, which I can get in 7 years for $20k, IF I wanted to.

    I am worried about age cutoffs though, when I took a free ride in a zero gravity simulator (a crude one) in the Shanghai Science Museum in 2006, they only allowed people below 60. (which at the time i was far below)

  42. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.virgingalactic.com/news/

    Tried to find details re 41 and instead I found a silly, “Astronaut Edition” Range Rover!!!

  43. Larry D. Says:

    https://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/internet/what-is-space-tourism-space-flight-cost-spacex-virgin-galactic-blue-origin-11364163509098

    Ok then, they allow up to 90 year olds. I am sure going to do this (don’t ask me when, they have more deposits than the (considerable) number of people who actually have gone in space so far.

  44. Lambo2015 Says:

    That’s an interesting idea. A large Jeep or Ram to compete with Tahoe and Expedition. The Durango is a bit smaller as is the 3 row grand Cherokee.
    If FCA developed a large Chassis they could bring back the Ramcharger name and offer it in three versions a sporty 2 door, 4 door with a removable top, I think it would do well. Especially if they made it a Jeep Ramcharger and offered many of the same Jeep options. Hardtop soft top removable doors. Then on that same platform a EXT version with 3rd row and more upscale. If they could offer a comparable interior to the Suburban and Excursion and undercut their price by 10K, they would seriously impact GMs hold on that market.

  45. Larry D. Says:

    44 If the interior is upscale enough for a $100k SUV, it will compete directly with the Navigator and the Escalade too, and the others (Suburban, Expedition) will undercut it by $10k or so.

  46. Lambo2015 Says:

    45 I’m not sure FCA could compete with NAV and Escalade. They could probably try and bring a version of the vehicle under the Chrysler nameplate and go high-end interior but I think they would still need something extra to sway people from Caddy and Lincoln. An incredible design, best in fuel economy, or a feature no one else has it about the only way they’d succeed in garnering many buyers away from the tried a true Escalade fans. Just woul dbe difficult to compete in a “luxury brand” market with any of the FCA nameplates. Not many will spend Escalade money for a Dodge, Ram, Chrysler or Jeep vehicle even if they did make a better vehicle. Not sure if using any of the other Fiat brands like Maserati or Alfa Romeo would be a good idea either.

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It would seem pretty risky for FCA to go after the XXL SUV market with a Ram-based machine, given that it would be 3-4 years before it could reach the market. The market could change a lot by then. Also, it would need to be equal to, or better than the others to sell well.

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    46 Probably Jeep would be the best of the FCA brands, but as you say, I’d think it would be hard to take sales from the established players in the monster luxury SUV market, unless the Jeep was demonstably better, a tall order for a newcomer to the segment.

  49. Larry D. Says:

    I used in the past a limo service from Windsor, ON, when flights overseas from that tiny airport were more than $500 less expensive than from Detroit or Toronto or any other place, they charged only $100 CDN each way, and they had a fleet that included a brand new Town Car (when i used it), an Escalade and a Navigator.

    The Navigators interior was not at all luxurious, and poorly designed. The Escalade had lots of miles and the interior had a ton of wear and tear. The Town Car, where I sat on the passenger seat (or, better, Throne) was a divine ride, the perfect ride for me after an uncomfortable 15 hour flight that ended at 2 AM ET.

    I doubt subsequent Navigators and Escalades are much better, or able to challenge Range Rovers, X7s and esp GLS on luxury.

  50. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/new-porsche-718-cayman-gt4-8000rpm-love-letter-driving

    And now the $100k Cayman

  51. Lambo2015 Says:

    47 Yeah I don’t think it would make much sense for FCA to go after the Escalade. But they could take the existing Ram truck platform and throw a SUV body that has a 3rd row pretty easy. The gimmick that would set it apart is something I was hoping GM was going to do with the resurrection of the Blazer and offer the removable top. I don’t believe there is anything in the third row convertible segment. Make it a power top and then you’d have something.

  52. ChuckGrenci Says:

    A new Escalade is in the works for 2020 and will probably also challenge the $100,000 price line. The Escalade will be the latest for Super Cruise to be offered from Cadillac.

  53. Kit Gerhart Says:

    50 Porsche are the masters of running up prices with options. A base Cayman is ~$58K, but it’s easy to get one up to $75K with a few options like automatic temp control, keyless entry, and some performance tweaks that most owners would never appreciate. I’ve driven one Cayman, a base car with the manual transmission. It drove great, and the 300 hp wss plenty.

    As far as the GT4, it is a different animal, with a non-turbo six, rather than the turbo four in the other Caymans and Boxsters of the current generation. They will limit production of the GT4, so they should do well on depreciation. Still, ~$100K seems a lot of money for that car.