AD #2740 – Volvo Forms Truck Alliance w/ Isuzu; Bosch Tech Monitors Occupants; Hyundai/Kia Use VR to Aid Design

December 18th, 2019 at 11:45am

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Runtime: 6:55

0:07 New Toyota Highlander Headed to Dealerships
1:07 Audi Refreshes the Q7
2:38 Truck Makers Cutting Jobs Too
3:18 Volvo & Isuzu Form Truck Alliance
3:42 PSA & FCA Make Merger Official
4:19 Bosch Develops Tech to Monitor Occupants
5:32 Hyundai/Kia Use VR to Aid Vehicle Design

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42 Comments to “AD #2740 – Volvo Forms Truck Alliance w/ Isuzu; Bosch Tech Monitors Occupants; Hyundai/Kia Use VR to Aid Design”

  1. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Nanny state: maybe, maybe not; but it (monitoring) may also be an indirect cause an accident. With all the monitoring that goes on, and with driver information being provider with chirps, bells, whistles, etc., how many times have you been in full driver control and all of a sudden, a noise, and a, what was that. Then you have to look at the DIC, determine the cause, evaluate whether action is warranted (a lot of times it isn’t) then get your eyes back on the road (where it was in the first place, or should have been). These monitors need to be discrete and alert threats that matter.

  2. Larry D. Says:

    I loaded my car with heavy boxes full of books and papers this morning and when I started driving there was an annoying and continuous beep. It happened before and I knew what it was, the stupid car thought a human (and not three heavy boxes) was sitting on the passenger seat and was complaining that it did not have the seat belt on. It was only a few feet from the loading dock to my parking spot, so I did nothing, but when I drive the 1.5 miles home in the evening, I will fasten the passenger seat belt over the stupid boxes so the stupid sensor will stop annoying me with its beep.

  3. Drew Says:

    Let’s hope this “nanny state” is less annoying than the failed seat belt interlocks of 46 years ago. It won’t be effective if customers are driven to circumvent it.

  4. Larry D. Says:

    “just keep in mind that this technology is expected to save more than 25,000 lives and help prevent at least 140,000 severe injuries by 2038.”

    Not that stupid and careless people will find other ways to die, vices, absent-mindedness and all that, and not to challenge these numbers, but this reminded me of a lunch with the Dean who invited me to China last month, when he described to me how nasty the continuing civil wars around CHina’s ancient capital of Xi’an were from 200 BC to maybe 1500 AD, and how many millions died, to which I replied to him, without thinking twice before I said it,

    “but if all those millions did not die back then, your population today would not be 1.5 billion but 10 billion* (China by itself!)!”

    He did not say anything, who knows what he thought.

    *Ah, the power of compound interest!

  5. Buzzerd Says:

    “if someone is leaning too far forward, or has their feet up on the seat next to them” Does that sound like the nanny state?? no, no, no. How could that possibly sound like a nanny state, I mean how could I be expected to make such important decisions like that on my own.

  6. Buzzerd Says:

    @4, true, it’s not like we are about to run out of people.

  7. Brett Cammack Says:

    “Well, it’s not like it’s anybody we know or something.” – great perspective.

    If we ever nail down fully-autonomous automobiles, they will no longer have to be built like padded bank vaults with electro-nannies inside to keep the occupants behaving.

    Besides saving lives, it’ll save a lot of energy and probably reduce the actual cost of the vehicle, too.

  8. Buzzerd Says:

    There have been more than a few nannies who have tried to keep me safe by banning motorcycles from highways or reducing their power… I have the same to two words for them.
    Thing about safety nannies, it’s never enough. Once all the toys are as safe as they can be then the next logical step is to get rid of them all together.

  9. Lambo2015 Says:

    Bosch should install this system in classrooms to prevent cheating and misbehaving. Heck install it on the school bus too. We can then raise proper little robots.
    Seems a reasonable system for the distracted driver but if its possible to be shut off my guess is most drivers will shut it off.

    My truck has front and rear park assist sensors that I have to shut off anytime I go through a drive thru. Being that close to the building causes the vehicle to beep the entire time. gets annoying.

  10. Lambo2015 Says:

    I’m a bit surprised that clay models haven’t been replaced with 3D printing. Not sure how long it takes to sculpt a fender vs printing one but I would think printing would be quicker.

  11. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, Are you going to act for viewer suggestions for the new name of PSA-FCA? My suggestion is French Italian Automobile Team. (FIAT). I expect the actual name will be more generic, like European Motors, but they could still pick one with a Euro flair. (ex Societe Automobili Europa – SAE)

  12. Larry D. Says:

    This season I have asked Santa Claus for a 3D printer that can print a 3D printer.

  13. Larry D. Says:

    My suggestions for the PSA FCA merger: “doomed at inception” and “Porca Miseria!”

  14. XA351GT Says:

    Kevin @ 11 There are two names already in final consideration , CRAP and JUNK.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 You can continuously modify clay models, but with 3D printing, you’d need to make a new one for any change, which would take a few days. If you want to just look at all your ideas in CAD, without having anything in solid form, and then make a model, 3D might be good for that.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I hope the FCA/PSA thing works out better than Daimler/Chrysler. Eaton called Daimler/Chrysler a “merger of equals,” but it was actually a takeover of Chrysler by Daimler. Daimler sucked everything out of Chrysler, downgraded the Chrysler cars, and then got out. I had high hopes that it would make Chrysler products better, and Benzes less overpriced, but the result was Chrysler products getting worse, and Benzes getting less reliable. The promised “synergy”???

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 continued. The one good thing Chrysler got out of the “merger” was the old E-Class platform, that is still used for the Charger, Challenger, 300, and I think it some form, Grand Cherokee and Durango.

    On the other hand, Daimler-Chrysler begat the generally worst-in-class Sebring that the Journey is still based on. Another D-C product was the 2nd generation Jeep Liberty, that was generally considered worse than the 1st generation.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    As far as current FCA products, two of them made Car and Driver’s “10 best” list, Ram 1500 and Gladiator. Their list generally makes sense, though the very strange looking Supra is on the new list.

  19. ChuckGrenci Says:

    18, if they picked the Gladiator, I think that was a gift (for what reason, I don’t know). Good concept but one of the ten best, I don’t think so. Ditto on the Supra. The Ram probably belongs on the list though.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    18 19 Do these lists have to include only new models? If they do, there is an obvious bias in favor of the new crop, and they are NOT a “Top Ten” list with no constraints.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 They liked the Gladiator because it rides well, for a Wrangler, and they like that it is “different,” with the removable top and doors, available manual transmission, etc. Here’s the article.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a29798427/10best-2020-jeep-gladiator/

    20 The list is not just new cars. Several carry overs are on the list, including Accord, Cayman/Boxster, and some others. Here is the list. They have had separate “car” and “truck” lists in the past, but this time, just one list.

    Chevrolet Corvette
    Honda Accord / Hybrid
    Jeep Gladiator
    Kia Telluride
    Mazda CX-5
    Porsche 718 Boxster/Cayman
    Porsche Macan
    Ram 1500
    Toyota Supra
    Volkswagen Golf GTI/Volkswagen Jetta GLI

  22. Lambo2015 Says:

    21 Only 4 of the list maybe fall under the Avg new vehicle price of 36K.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 They have an upper price limit to qualify, but yeah, most on the list would fall above the “average” new car price, even with no options.

  24. Jim Bianchi Says:

    My votes for the name for the new PSA FCA company:
    - Peujeep
    - Ramgeot
    But with Tavares as top dog, I suspect it will at least lead with a PSA or Peugeot reference.

  25. Wim van Acker Says:

    @ 11, 13, 14, 24, fun fact: “Citroen” is “Lemon” in the Dutch language, and “lemon” is “citron” in French. Probably not the best name for a car brand in the U.S. market.

  26. buildmore2doors Says:

    17 I have a 2012 Jeep Liberty and it has been the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned, and that includes Toyotas. It has almost 100k miles on it and the only thing that ever went wrong with it was the battery failed due to an internal short and had to be replaced, and that was at 90k miles and 7 years. I never drove the first gen Liberty so I don’t know how good or bad it was but I have been using mine since 2011 everyday and am more than satisfied with it, I’m glad I didn’t listen to the so called experts and test drove one so I could see for myself what a bargain it was for a true 4×4 that met all my needs.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 Does “citron” have connotations regarding cars in France, like “lemon” in the US? I suspect if Henry Ford’s name had been Henry Lemon, there would be a different term for “lemon law” in America. Interesting thought.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 The thing I kept hearing about the 2nd gen Liberty was the less nice interior, and maybe other “refinement” issues. My sister had an early Liberty for about 12 years, and except for the dismal gas mileage, it was pretty good. The interior in her top trim level was pretty nice, and it was reliable, though it had only about 80K miles in those 12 years.

  29. Wim van Acker Says:

    @27: I only know the “lemon reference” for cars in the U.S., never heard of it outside of the U.S.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 Thanks for info. I suspected that “lemon” in regard to cars was just an American thing.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    25 Interesting. After a very clueless IT guy from India, we next had a far more competent one from Belgium named Jeroen, and the word has come to mean “utter jerk” around the Dept. He was worse than the Sat Nite Live IT Guy. He had a nice Passat Wagon with lots of miles and claimed it was very reliable because it was made in Germany.

    Henri Citroen was an engineering genius but wasted all his profits gambling them away.

    BTW I have several lemon trees in the summer home garden, and when it rains a lot in the winter, I have a huge crop (most of it from a single big tree) and, unable to consume all of them myself, I end up taking a big bag full of 1st rate, organic lemons wherever I am invited. This has made me very popular with the spouses of my friends.

    21 Remarkable there is not one BMW on the list (but two Porsches) and no Merc either, and, especially, no Tesla.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.autonews.com/automakers-suppliers/tesla-mulls-price-cut-china-built-cars-report-says?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20191218&utm_content=article3-headline

    This is not just any itty bitty cut but a HUGE 20% price cut on the already low-priced, mass market Model 3. If it actually happens.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31,21 The C and D “10 best” has had the BMW 3 series many times, probably more than any car, other than Accord, but yeah, not this time. I think the Model 3 is the only Tesla that would fall under their price limit. The cars tend to be “what they like,” with 3 of the 5 cars being sports cars.

    If you have time, read the article. The whole thing is on-line, as well as in the magazine. They make a real case for all of the selections. With the Supra, it is because it is easy to drive fast, more than anything else. It was not because of the styling.

    In the end, any “list” like this is just the opinions of a few people, but I thought this group of vehicles and the reasons they picked them were interesting.

  34. Lambo2015 Says:

    24 Why not Ramgeot? I never found anything from Peugeot, Citroen or Fiat to be attractive with exception to the mildly attractive spider. With that said Chrysler/Jeep/Ram has three very old passenger car designs the Challenger, Charger and 300. Jeep/Ram would probably be killing it if not tied to anyone else right now.

  35. Larry D. Says:

    33 I will check it out, even though I’d not be interested in most of their choices. I think they make a big mistake to put a price limit, since almost every car model, with the possible exception of the top Rolls model the Phantom, which has a floor of about $80k used, and the rarest of exotics (but both of these always have low miles) can be bought used or certified used within their price limit, and the used car market in the US is 3-4 times the size of the 17 mill new car market.

  36. Larry D. Says:

    34 I vote for “Automotive Potpourri”, if “Porca Miseria!” is voted down.

    32 This is only being considered at this time, but when/if it actually happens, it will be one of the biggest stories of the year in autos.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36 I’d think even the discussion of a 20% price reduction in a year would hurt early sales, but the initial price from the Shanghai plant will be lower than from Fremont.

  38. Larry D. Says:

    37 early sales of the Model 3 in China already happened, they were expensive imports from the US (and made more expensive by Chinese tariffs probably). The 20% price cut would make the Model 3 cheaper even than its Chinese BEV rivals. Model 3 sales should skyrocket and they could sell all the 500,000 they can make there (excluding the ones that will be Model Y, if it does not get the price reduction. Musk claimed that, since the Model Y is ’10% bigger” than the Model 3, it will also be 10% more expensive in the US).

  39. Larry D. Says:

    I never recommend buying individual stocks, and maybe it is “a rising tide that lifts all boats” but I hear that Tesla stock just crossed the $400.00 level.

    When I joined this group the usual suspects were convinced it would… go broke. It would be fun to go back and see the comments

  40. rey Says:

    Today dec19 2019 Tesla stock(TSLA) is at $405 eclipsing most major auto makers by value, you may not like Elon Musk or Tesla, but the facts are there , the company is legit, it is going International with factories in China and soon Germany , a country dominated by the most prestigious brands in the World Many on this website are not fans of Tesla or Elon but you cannot deny that Tesla is a force to be reckoned with, a company that makes things more than cars and led by the most visionary man in our lifetime, Now All of you HATERS : Elon will welcome you with a Flamethrower or a Falcon 9 , and soon enough a Falcon Heavy ,if you want to go to Mars , that is.

  41. cwolf Says:

    39) Don’t believe anyone made a comment about Tesla going broke. If I recall correctly, they were about Tesla’s hurdle’s that effected there profit statements or lack of profits at the time.
    Tesla is on a roll, while others are experiencing the same set backs they once had, so Tesla investors are hot to ride the wave. But, I’m forecasting, if the stock increases another 15-20% the market may start to cry it is over valued. Once this happens, and it will, there will be a significant sell off. It always happens. Greed is a powerful driver.

  42. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41 I’d consider buying a Tesla car, if I could charge it at my condo, but there is no way I’d buy the stock. It is crazy for a company making ~300K cars a year to have more stock value than Ford or Hyundai, especially when they will soon have real competition from other car companies.

    Yes, Tesla is going a lot right, as an electric car company, both with the cars, and the charging network, but the stock value is crazy, half that of VW, who makes more than 20 times as many cars, including very profitable ones from Porsche and Audi.