AD #2909 – Skoda Reveals ENYAQ iV EV; All-New Mercedes S-Class Debuts; How Ford Expanded Customer List for Trucks

September 2nd, 2020 at 11:49am

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Runtime: 10:19

0:38 U.S. Sales Continue to Show Signs of Life
1:43 Skoda Reveals ENYAQ iV EV
3:04 Peugeot Makes Major Updates to 3008 SUV
4:02 All-New Mercedes S-Class Debuts
5:55 Ford F-250 Tremor Review
7:37 Honda Odyssey Driving Impressions

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48 Comments to “AD #2909 – Skoda Reveals ENYAQ iV EV; All-New Mercedes S-Class Debuts; How Ford Expanded Customer List for Trucks”

  1. ChuckGrenci Says:

    A breakdown of the range differences of the Tesla and the Porsche; the EPA numerical difference is large but when in highway use the numbers are quite a bit closer (as per and article from Car and Driver). This is a link to Engineering Explained if you want to see the youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZJba_oNhT4

  2. Larry D. Says:

    Re the S class.

    1. The 1979-1991 S class lasted 12 years, a ROlls-ROyce long model duration. The next, 1992-1999, controversial model (too big and powerful for the greens), then a lame 2000-2006 smaller successor, then the excellent 2007-2014 or 14, and then we had two models in less than 6 years? This is wasteful and unnecessary. Only much cheaper, much inferior brands change their models every 4 or 5 years.

    THe description of the S Class features on today’s show also proves how silly and inappropriate it is to compare the S class to the also outstanding, but very different, MODEL S (I guess just because they both have an S in their name?)

  3. Larry D. Says:

    Re US car sales in August, your link produced an error, I was looking for the UNITS SOLD in addition to the sales gains %s you cite.

    I would easily bet that if you showed the UNIT sales increases, the top, by far, gainer would be TESLA.

  4. Larry D. Says:

    Re the rather ugly looking SKODA EV: THey mention everything except the most important number, THE PRICE. WHy?

    ALso, when you report those inflated European system BEV ranges, you should have an asterisk saying they are FAIRY TALES, and that the ACTUAL EPA comparable ranges are barely 3/3rds of those inflated numbers.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    4 I meant to write 2/3rds, not 3/3rds

  6. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, If the electric Skoda already looks like a Lincoln and Ford and VW are already cooperating on new vehicles … Any chance that Lincoln will sell this model in the US?

  7. Kevin A Says:

    Larry, Just a reminder. Just because you don’t like a new model doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with it. Nobody appointed you the ‘styling police’.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    7 Heads up: I have EVERY RIGHT TO VOICE MY OPINION in this FORUM and YOU are not even the nerdy “Hall Monitor” to object. I do NOT object when YOU find a model ugly (laregly because I have learned to NOT read your worthless posts), so get used to it, I will call a SPADE A SPADE whenever I feel like it.

  9. MJB Says:

    I’ve gotta say, in the side profile of the headlight on the new S-class, the way that character line slices diagonally to terminate it seems reminiscent of BMW styling to me.

    Also, though I guess I’m fine with the new tail light display, its angularity reminds me of Acura styling.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    That S-Class has far too much complexity and gadgetry. Why not just make a big, roomy, quiet, comfortable car, and lower the price about $30K? It doesn’t need 19 motors in the seats, auto lean, auto lift, vibrating seats, and a lot of that other stuff.

    2. You finally agree with me that the Tesla Model S and Benz S-Class don’t really compete with each other.

  11. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Larry #3 – Thanks for the heads up on the link. It’s been fixed.

  12. TR Says:

    A refrigerator in a Super Duty is like golf clubs in the back of a car: that truck shouldn’t wince at 150-300 pounds. After all, it’s rated payload is up to 2 tons+.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    6 I think the Skoda actually looks pretty good considering its a bit difficult to stand out in that segment. They all kind of look alike. So nothing was particularly off-putting but nothing super exciting either. I will say the name ENYAQ is a rather unfortunate name though. Any vehicle with “yack” in the name doesn’t evoke attractiveness.

    The Merc S class sounds like a whole lot of car with features that only make sense to the folks where money is no object. I re-read the transcript and no where did Sean even mention the Tesla model S so I’m not sure where Larry got the impression there was a comparison but we all know he hears Tesla voices in his head.

  14. Bob Aubertin Says:

    Say what you want to say,FCA owns the mini van market by a country mile.The Japanese,Korean and Chinese Will Never Have Sto’n Go in their products.FCA owns the segment why,it’s because their entry level caters to families who can afford to buy a #1 Quality Dodge brand and enjoy trouble free comfortable safe driving and go camping with all your gear inside with your family (7)seating.My only negative comment is the headlights should be HID standard.

  15. MJB Says:

    #10. Hey Kit, it’s called the Genesis G90. ;) Which I’d certainly buy if I had to chose between that and the MB.

  16. John McElroy Says:

    #3. The top gainer by unit sales was JLR, +2,300 vehicles. Tesla was up by 1,269 units, only slightly more than Porsche (1,164) and Volvo (1,184).

  17. XA351GT Says:

    Holy Crap, just north of 82K for a Ford truck !! When I bought my 1989 GT, F150s were barely 15 K . Where the hell are people coming up with that kind of money for a truck? I need to get in that line.

  18. XA351GT Says:

    John @ 15 Wow, JLR blew Tesla out of the water by 1000 units . I guess that destroys the theory that #3 pushed pretty badly. In my neighborhood they’d call that an old fashioned @$$ kicking.

  19. XA351GT Says:

    #8 Now that’s rich, You come on here and blast everyone else’s opinion that don’t agree with yours and now you’re going to accuse someone else of being the hall monitor. Wow, you have stones as big as basketballs.

  20. merv Says:

    a fully loaded high end GMC pickup caught my eye at the gas station a while back. a qwik visit with the owner,and he produced the window sticker which showed the msrp at over $96K before tax,so over $100K out the door.

  21. merv Says:

    good one 18 lmao

  22. Bob Zig Says:

    I believe Jim Hall just retired from GM. Hope to see him on Autoline After Hours.

  23. Albemarle Says:

    13. Dodge minivan stopped production August 21. It’s now a much more even and expensive playing field.

  24. Scott-in-Cleveland Says:

    16 FYI just pulled out my window sticker for a 2002 E-Series E250 Extended Super Cargo van… $26,315. Don’t know what that is in 2020 dollars.

  25. Larry D. Says:

    10 WHat in the world are you talking about??? I never claimed that the Model S competes with the S class, this is RIDICULOUS! I clearly remember saying that the Model S looks more like the Porsche PANAMERA in styling AND performance AND not excessive luxury in the S class.

  26. Larry D. Says:

    14 Really? TOo bad you are the only one among the 7 BILLION Humans who has the DELUSION that the Hyundai masquerading as a FAILED Genesis competes with the S class. WHy don’t you save your meager money and get a CHrysler 300 instead of the Hyundai, eh?

  27. Larry D. Says:

    15 that makes no sense whatsoever. I want to check the numbers, and the link requires a premium subscription.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    22 Officially, about $30-35k, but in real buying power, more.

  29. Larry D. Says:

    The S class is a worthy and half the price competitor to the ROlls ROyce Ghost (not the Phantom) and the Bentley FLying Spur Sean. Not that the clueless here will understand one iota of what I am talking about, I write this for the few who DO. AND it has far more accesible parts, AND if you find a good independent mechanic, service and the very few Repairs will be VERY reasonable. The clueless will keep comparing it to Hyundais, Impalas, or Fusions in the shape of… Lincoln COntis.

    WHich only proves that ALL these CLUELESS people have NEVER EVEN SEEN an S Class, let alone have TESTED it or OWNED it.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    BTW Sean, TESLA as you know does not announce MONTHLY sales, so the Ward’s alleged percentages for TESLA are only ROUGH ESTIMATES, which make zero sense if you see how few Units JLR sells, and the corresponding % increases. In any case, the TESLA numbers are not Real Data, only ESTIMATES.

  31. cwolf Says:

    But they do keep track of how many EVs were sold in the EU and Tesla wasn’t even in the top ten last month! They only sold 1000 while #1 sold over 4000 units.

    I applaud anyone holding Tesla stock and hope the rise continues for the weeks remaining. It’s time to sell! For new buyers, potential gains are not worth the risk. There are now a number of Better choices having better portfolios and less risk.

  32. cwolf Says:

    Larry , you only buy used so your knowledge about the S class, Rolls and Bentley comes only from print. If you had friends, they surely don’t own any of them. We sure would appreciate it if you would stop the insults and pretending to know anything at all!

    Also: I remember you boasting your stock increases put you over $10 million dollars That was several episodes ago.
    Boy, are you full if SH!T!!!!! You wouldn’t waste your time here if it held an ounce of truth. Just common logic.

  33. cwof Says:

    Question for you: is Tesla seen as a car company or a tech company? I believe each ones answer will explain ones emotions.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15. I agree about the G90. The trouble is, for $75K, you should get the nice car, AND the three pointed star.

    23. The Grand Caravan has been replaced by a “stripper” Pacifica, for ~$27K MSRP. I haven’t checked to see what they are like, but I’m sure they have A/C and cruise control, which is all you need.

    25. You’ve said many times that Tesla S competes with S-Class, and only recently started to change your tune a little.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33,23. They have revived the Yoyager name for the de-contented Pacifica.

  36. Bobby T Says:

    Maybe I’m too even tempered but I’ve gotten to the point where I view Larry’s rantings as a form of entertainment , almost like John or Sean hired a comedian with a broken ALl caPS key to insert a bit of levity into the column. Hmm?

  37. Bobby T Says:

    Maybe I’m too even tempered but I’ve gotten to the point where I view Larry’s rantings as a form of entertainment , almost like John or Sean hired a comedian with a broken ALl caPS key to insert a bit of levity into the column. Hmm?

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The true Tesla killer, if it’s for real.

    https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/2/21418065/lucid-motors-air-fastest-electric-car-quarter-mile-time-record

  39. ChuckGrenci Says:

    37, Faster, quicker, etc., etc.; these vehicles could be so much more ‘greener’, and wasn’t this the point to begin with. The dull Bolt, Leaf and others should be the stars of the electric future. (And I believe this is your mantra too Kit, correct?) Some say, oh you can get both, but you leave a lot on the table when building to an over performance specification.

  40. veh Says:

    #16–John, I thought JLR had moved to quarterly sales, no monthly numbers. Are the JLR numbers actuals or estimates?

  41. Kit Gerhart Says:

    38

    I agree. I suspect I’ll like some of what VW will be selling, utilitarian hatchbacks, with decent performance, and rear wheel drive.

  42. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a33825502/jeep-grand-wagoneer-concept-revealed/

    Looks like a Jeep, but not as distinctive as the old Wagoneer. Fools can pay from $60k to $100k for the ungainly elephant.

  43. Larry D. Says:

    While the old S class was a much more luxurious car than almost anything else, and of course the Model S, the NEW 2020 S class, after Suffering MAJOR loss of sales, along with the 7 series, the A8, and even the Panamera, to the AWESOME Tesla S, its new S class is much LESS luxurious and MUCH MORE High tech inside, BLATANTLY copying such systems of the Awesome Model S as the portrait-like giant screen up front.

    I saw a video from C & D of the new S class, and it managed to look just as bad as a damned Hyundai (or a damned GENESIS, same thing), or most other cars for that matter. TERRIBLE interior, 50 shades of gray and all thst.

    I predict the NEW S class, if all models look like that inside, and if its price is not cut down to the level of the non-luxury cars it APES, will NOT be a success.

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41 It doesn’t have “wing” vent windows like the old Wagoneer.

  45. Larry D. Says:

    44 nor the Wagoneer grille, nor, especially, the ‘woody’ exterior.

  46. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    So much confusion over what the Model S competes with. That is because there is no single competitor for the model S.

    The Model S Tesla in terms of price competes with the Mercedes Benz E-Class. In terms of acceleration it competes with a Corvette. In terms of handling it competes with a Chevrolet Impala. In terms of NVH it competes with a Nissan Maxima. In terms of size, it competes with a Cadillac CTS. In terms of interior Luxury features it competes with a Hyundai Sonata. In terms of paint quality it competes with a Nissan Versa.

    It is really hard to truly figure out what car the Model S directly competes with.

  47. Larry D. Says:

    46 there should be no confusion to those who know the segment and the various S class models.

    The entry level S class competes with the 7 series, the Z8 and the LS and maybe the Jag XJ.

    The 200-250k top AMG models are in a different league price and performance wise, they compete with equally priced and powered Bentleys.

    The MAYBACH versions of the S class compete with the entry level ROllses.

  48. Larry D. Says:

    47 I obviously meant the Audi A8, not any .. Z8.