AD #2910 – GM & Honda Partner in N.A.; All-New Jeep Wagoneer Revealed; Nissan Making Carbon Fiber Parts Faster

September 3rd, 2020 at 12:01pm

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Runtime: 10:57

0:07 GM & Honda Team Up in North America
0:52 IIHS Calls for Safety Tech in Semis
1:53 Another Startup Enters EV Truck Segment
2:36 Daimler Shies Away From Making Battery Cells
3:58 All-New Jeep Wagoneer Revealed
4:49 Wrangler PHEV Gets 25 EV Miles
5:19 Customer Designed Jeep Easter Egg a “Surprise”
6:46 All-New Hyundai Tucson Teased
7:30 Lucid Air Does 1/4-Mile in 9.9 Seconds
8:54 QuantumScape Going Public Through Reverse Merger
9:26 Nissan Making Carbon Fiber Parts Faster

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49 Comments to “AD #2910 – GM & Honda Partner in N.A.; All-New Jeep Wagoneer Revealed; Nissan Making Carbon Fiber Parts Faster”

  1. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The Grand Wagoneer concept was riding on 24′s (wheels); whether they will make it to production is has not been revealed, but even with 22′s or 20′s, this puppy won’t be seeing much off-road action. Styling-wise, when I’m looking at Jeep’s new offering, I sure see a lot of Lincoln Navigator and Land Rover. And six or seven screens (in the concept vehicle) seem way-too many. Guess we wait to see what makes is to production (though the concept looks pretty close to production ready).

  2. Brett Cammack Says:

    Seems like a worthy competitor aimed right at the GM lineup. Tahoe, Suburban, Denali, Escalade.

  3. wmb Says:

    That Jeep Grand Wagoneer concept looked very, very good! I think that this may be the first Jeep, that actual could have a Land Rover as a direct competitor. While not against a Ranger Rover, but a Discovery for sure. Be it price, interior appointments and off road abilities, I think the fully loaded Wagoneer or medium term Grand Wagoneer, maybe be able to look the Discovery eye-to-eye and not blink. I know some may say the Grand Cherokee Trackhawk can hold its own against the Landies, but that’s more premium boy racer, against luxury, pedigree and charm that’s extremely powerful! Both great in their areas of expertise, but not direct competitors. The Discovery, Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer, seem more closely aligned, IMHO.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Wagoneer will compete with Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade, and Expedition/Navigator. Land Rover? I didn’t realize they sold anything that huge, but maybe the Discovery is close.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    The first site I pulled up says that a semi-tractor sees an average 45k miles a year and has a 15 to 16 year life expectancy. So these new safety devices if implemented today will take a while to be wide spread. However that is an average and I’m guessing the over-the-road trucks probably are on the higher side of that average and would be replaced probably within 10 years. Seems like a good idea.

  6. MJB Says:

    Yeah, Sean… I knew my Jeep Easter Egg design entry didn’t when when my Bat Phone didn’t ring the day after the contest was judged.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    The CONCEPT Wagoneer looks very poor. I was looking forward to it to compete with the profitable segment of the Escalade and the Navigator. Usually the production model is far less sexy than the concept.

    The original Wagoneer was a distinctive looking vehicle. Not this POS.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    The CONCEPT Wagoneer looks very poor. I was looking forward to it to compete with the profitable segment of the Escalade and the Navigator. Usually the production model is far less sexy than the concept.

    The original Wagoneer was a distinctive looking vehicle. Not this POS.

  9. Larry D. Says:

    The CONCEPT Wagoneer looks very poor. I was looking forward to it to compete with the profitable segment of the Escalade and the Navigator. Usually the production model is far less sexy than the concept.

    The original Wagoneer was a distinctive looking vehicle. Not this POS.

  10. Drew Says:

    Perhaps I need to repeat this 3 times — the Jeep Grand Wagoneer concepts looks fantastic, inside and out.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7,8,9. Is it the lack of “wood” that you REALLY, REALLY don’t like?

    They also made them without “wood.”

  12. Larry D. Says:

    11 That is the least of its problem. What about the ugly EXTERIOR? From the sides? Is this seriously a $100k vehicle? It is a stupid, ugly BREADVAN and a testament to the BAD TASTE of its buyers.

    And remember this is just the CONCEPT, the production version will be much worse.

    I am dissppointed in it. But I am sure I have much higher standards than the average idiot who buys this crap, for.. $100k no less

    As for the BRIEF post that (obviously unin tentionally, even tho Repetition IS the mother of learning) was posted 3 times, Even if I posted some of my posts 10 times, the usual suspects still would not have a clue.

  13. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The Grand Wagoneer has a somewhat resemblance to the Grand Commander that is offered in China. I’m sure they are barrowing features and styling in an effort to share costs. TFL, in a interview with Ralph Gilles stated that they thought about including “wood” accent for the Grand Wagoneer for about two seconds (I applaud that decision). This should be a top-notch effort but might lag due to the resemblance to Lincoln/Land Rover; the unique purchaser, if they are looking for that unique look, may still lean towards the Escalade (but pick your poison; they’re all going to cost a bundle).

  14. Ukendoit Says:

    I was a little disappointed in the Grand Wagoneer too. Maybe it was the lack of wood, maybe not square or beefy looking enough, maybe the squinty-eyed grill. The interior looks good, but the exterior just looks like a larger sized Grand Cherokee.
    I guess Marchionne killed the retro themes when he dogged the Commander styling (I liked that it looked like the old Cherokee). I wasn’t expecting a replica of the old Wagoneers and I understand retro is “out” now, but a few more strong Wagoneer cues would have been appreciated if they were going to resurrect the old name.
    Its okay though, I’m not in the market for that size/price range Jeep anyway. I hope they fair better with their potential buyers.

  15. Wim van Acker Says:

    @12, ” It is a stupid, ugly BREADVAN and a testament to the BAD TASTE of its buyers.”: but they are buyers, who pay the bills of the OEM. Unlike you, who drives old used vehicles. So it does not matter that you think your standards are higher than others. You are irrelevant for the OEM. And for us, as I have noticed lately. You are just a nuisance who turns a forum for people who are interested in the automotive industry into the Hysterical Larry Show. Whether you repeat your poorly written ramblings 3 or 10 times, we won’t learn from your non-existent wisdom. So, as you suggested yourself recently, why not get off this site and annoy others with your idiocy?

    Your and our time will be much better spent if you look into this:

  16. Larry D. Says:

    11 Ι just looked at the video and in fact Sean said that (at least this concept) DOES have “Real Teak (wood) “accents”, whatever these are. I viewed just the segment on the Wagoneer concept. But I could not see them in the sea of the 50 gloomy shades of gray interior.


    I really want to see the Grand Wagoneer in person. I can see that they are using the LED accents to harken back to the original grill design by splitting the upper central and lower portions of the grill. That is a good detail. The back lit lettering of the model name is also a good detail. Stepping back though, it looks a little bland overall in the pictures. It may be more awe inspiring in person though as some cars are just not photogenic.

    The interior looks decent with great details as well. I can’t say I was blown away by the overall presentation there though. Again, it is something that I will be excited to see in person as the pictures may not be doing it any justice.


    13) I think you are on to something there. Might explain why I am not overwhelmed with it. Vehicles designed for the Chinese market tend to have a lot of neat fussy details while the overall presentation of the design is just blah. That is where I am at right now based on the pictures. Great details, overall just blah.

  19. Larry D. Says:

    14 You are correct. This concept is certainly a JEEP, has all the exterior cues, but is not a Wagoneer, despite using the name. Hopefully the actual production version will come closer to the distinctive looking Wagoneer whose name it uses.

  20. Ukendoit Says:

    17) I agree, it probably has a better presence in person, especially when you can take in the large size. A different color exterior would probably look better and more upscale too. Maybe it could be dressed up with accessories and appear nicer?

  21. Larry D. Says:

    Jeep tried a larger vehicle a few years ago, the Grand COmmander or something, imposing name, but the thing looked just like a taller Grand Cherokee and was discontinued after poor sales. If they don’t fix this one, I predict it will not sell well either.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The photo I linked in #11 was a 1975 Wagoneer. They probably offered the “wood” treatment the entire ~29 year production life of the vehicle, but the take rate would have been low most years.

    As far as the new one, it looks kind of generic. None of these huge SUVs are attractive to me, but they serve a purpose for people who tow big campers or boats. Of course, most of the sales are to people who have no real use for such a vehicle.

    One thing they could do to set the Wagoneer apart from others, would be to offer the Cummins diesel they use in pickups. That should appeal to those towing 8000 pound Airstreams.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21. A neighbor has a Commander, bought used. It is a slightly stretched, and squared off Grand Cherokee of that generation. It has 3 row seating, but the 3rd row is very cramped. They depreciate faster than a Grand Cherokee, which is probably why my neighbor bought it.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    This is an older, early ’60′s Wagoneer. Somehow, I think something similar to that new concept would go over a lot better in today’s market than a “retro” design that looked like this.

  25. Wim van Acker Says:

    @24: I hope this link works for you. A photo of my dad’s Wagoneer in 1968. On his way to Poland to sail European Championships Iceboating. My dad wanted to stop using his daily driver (Mercedes S class) for these trips. During his trips to the U.S. he had seen vehicles like the Wagoneer and assumed those were better suited to drive on bad roads in winter. So he shipped one to the Netherlands where he lived and used American SUVs (more Wagoneer and Suburbans) for his frequent trips during winters to compete in iceboating regattas the rest of his life.!AqtYr-g1ibJ5ir05VoC95nGlAH7-Rw

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Tesla stock down 9%

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 The link worked. Thanks. I suspect it was rare to see those in the Netherlands.

  28. Ukendoit Says:

    21 & 23, The Commander was supposed to look like the outgoing Cherokee model (not Grand Cherokee) that ran for 18 years from 1984 – 2001. People were upset that the Cherokee XJ was going out of production after so long, and many were happy to see the Commander arrive in 2005 as a larger version of the old Cherokee XJ, but the timing was bad as that was right when the recession hit and gas prices skyrocketed, which killed the Commander and all the Hummers. It didn’t help that the Commander was only two inches longer than the Grand Cherokee but much heavier and less aerodynamic.

  29. Ken Says:

    Danger! Danger!

    Honda is renowned for high quality and reliability.

    GM is not. Case in point – a relative had to have her brand new Chevy Equinox engine disassembled due to problems with the pistons.

    This GM / Honda collaboration is worrisome.

  30. Wim van Acker Says:

    @27: you are right, Kit, rare in the Netherlands. And unique in the Soviet Union. The following photo shows the same vehicle during the summer, while Soviets were looking at it. During the summer of 1969 my parents took their kids on a six weeks road trip to the Soviet Union. Just to make sure their kids would know how bad communism was. The Jeep drew a lot of attention, and some stones were thrown at us while driving. In the end it was the Cold War era and we represented enemy number 1, capitalism in general, and drove a vehicle from enemy number 2, the U.S.!AqtYr-g1ibJ5ir07SxEvR99_CtOVRg

  31. Alex Carazan Says:

    BUSINESS CASE EV’s – HV’s – PHEV’s: It’s now September 2020. Hybrid’s have been around now for decades. January through August 2020 HV sales share in USA were only 2.8%, Why so low? Because they offer end users little value. – $3k-$4k price increase but take 11 years to payback for fuel savings. Most consumers are economic buyers. Those few % that are “green – environmentalists” will by a Prius or EV or ride a bike! PHEV’s are only 0.4% of sales and even higher price penalty with even lower value and longer years for economic payment. HV’s they need to start promoting longer range, making them with faster acceleration, and less brake wear and maintenance to have any hope to create consumer appeal for HV. The fuel savings is not enough. EV’s are even worse…now here for a decade and only 1.4% of sales in USA. High price, low range, long charge times, and little charging infrastructure make business case for EV’s a losing proposition. Impractical also to take it on a long trip with friends or the family. PHEV and EV technologies are NOT required to meet CAFE or emissions regulations in the USA. So the many announcements of PHEV and EV new vehicles are a bit surprising. If we build it they will come mentality I hope is not part of the business case! Is group think at play in the auto industry? When will Executive decision makers wise up?

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30. That trip was probably kind of an adventure. I’ve never been in the Soviet Union or Russia, and was never in an eastern bloc country until 1992, when I was in Czechoslovakia for a world championship model airplane contest. That was just weeks, or months before Czechoslovakia split up. The trip was pretty straightforward. I rented a car at Frankfurt airport, and drove to my destination.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31. Hybrids are great technology. They work great, and get about double the city mpg of non-hybrids of similar size and performance. Also, done right, as by Toyota and some others, they are very simple mechanically, and thus reliable. It seems that no one advertises the long brake life of hybrids. As far as performance, my Camry hybrid, and the standard 4 cylinder version have similar acceleration, about 8 seconds 0-60, more than adequate for normal driving.

    As long as gas is dirt cheap in the US, none of these “alternative fuel” vehicles will sell in large numbers.

  34. Wim van Acker Says:

    @32: cool, driving through beautiful
    Czechoslovakia was great even shortly after their liberation. The roads in the Soviet Union were hard on the suspension of the vehicle, so to speak. And the atmosphere was grim: we were clearly not liked there. It was very hard to get permission to travel to the Soviet Union. Members of the communist parties in Western European were welcomed in groups to get to know the “Workers Paradise”. Capitalists like we could only go there if you had an official invitation. My dad had arranged our invitation through the President of a Yacht Club where he had competed in ice boating regattas in winter. Even a President of a Yacht Club was a political appointee and this nice man could get an invitation issued. My dad had undoubtedly befriended him during his visit in winter with personal charm and some of the consumer electronics and Western European clothing/shoes my dad would always bring along to get done what he needed to get done.

  35. rick Says:

    think nissan wants the midsize non-hybrid sedan mileage crown back from toyota. they had it for eons before toyota wrested it away from them. im all for lightweighting and fuel economy. great job nissan.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 Interesting

  37. Larry D. Says:

    Well, I am an optimist so there is one more opportunity for Jeep-FCA, to bring out a really imposing vehicle that is true to the cues of the old Wagoneer, and named the “Grand Wagoneer”. This should also be a vehicle that the prospective NAvigator-Escalade-BMWX7-Merc GLS large SUV buyer would look at it and its price and say “I’d rather buy THIS One!”

  38. Larry D. Says:

    26 Even if it went down 10 and not 9%, it still is TEN TIMES where it was a year or two ago. BUT this was NOT just a TESLA Drop, it was a long overdue MASSACRE in the TECH markets, stocks such as APPLE were Clobbered at 7% or more down, AND APple’s net value is not $400 bill like Tesla’s, but more than A TRILLION. I bet Facebook, Google Twitter and the other RIDICULOUSLY valued stocks took a beating.

  39. Larry D. Says:

    Can’t read the article but the title is obvious:

    While Germany sales fell 20%, the Almighty TESLA had a sales GAIN.

    ANd this is nothing compared to European Tesla Sales a year from now or so, when the Berlin-Brandenburg 500,000 unit plant is running at full throttle.

  40. Alex Borenstein Says:

    I really like the Jeep Wagoneer concept, beautiful lighting and interior design.

  41. Alex Borenstein Says:

    I really like the Jeep Wagoneer concept, beautiful lighting and interior design.

  42. Lambo2015 Says:

    15 Well stated but it has brought to his attention before and will again fall on deaf/dumb ears. Just astonishes me the ego it would take to think one is not offering advice but actually thinks this is a teaching forum and they are the instructor. LOL

    20 I doubt the Jeep will be much more impressive in person and not that it still can not do well. Like much of todays vehicles they all tend to look very similar. Its no longer the days of automotive styling and function has taken over. When you go back and look at vehicles of the 50s and 60s and even into the early 70s American cars had style and design features that stood out. Tail fins, Dagmars scopes, louvers, chrome trim, fancy bumpers and grills.
    For the sake of weight and aerodynamics most of those things disappeared and here we are with a cookie cutter shape for the CUV, SUV, Truck and and even the few sedans left. I think that was the real draw to the Tesla truck is was about the first real far step away from traditional design. Not that it was super great but it was certainly different. So whatever FCA does I don’t expect the exterior to be anything to write home about and they will have to nail the interior to stand out. IMO


    40) You are probably right but I really hope you are wrong LOL. I can’t stand to see another Vanilla SUV on the road where “light signatures” are the only real distinctive thing about them. Light signatures are like putting Amazon logos on a cardboard box. I know it is from Amazon but it is still just a cardboard box like any other cardboard box.

    We need another Harley Earl that will bring emotion back into the design of a vehicle.

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I just looked through a 1957 DeSoto brochure, and especially with the wagon, the tail fin designs added un-needed length. Still, those cars had style, as did all American cars from the mid ’50s to early ’70s. Some of that style was not too good, but you could tell at a glance what brand a car was, and from about ’55 to ’70, you could tell what year, if you were a car buff at the time. I have a hard time getting excited about the styling of any current vehicles, except a few sports cars.


    42) Maybe the OEMs tell their designers that this SUV will be a commuter with a 1.5L 3 cylinder turbo. The designer is just not very excited about that and the design comes out as boring as they feel? //Joking //sarcasm

    I really don’t know what is driving the generic design these days. I just hope it stops. Floating roofs and light signatures are just sad and boring.

  46. cwolf Says:

    I agree all vehicles look alike. I remember as a kid in the 60′s one petrol. company(union 76?)gave away orange foam balls to stick on your radio antenna. It was a good way to find your car in a parking lot when many others were of the same make and model. It would be a good idea today, since ALL cars look alike. Unfortunately radio antennas no longer exist!
    Side note: I find it amusing that of all the parts available during my MGC restoration, antennas, original mirrors and sun visors were the most difficult to find.

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    44 My first car, a ’57 Chrysler, had two antennas, one on each fin.

  48. Lambo2015 Says:

    46 As you can imagine sine many of the new cars do not have those items like antennas. Those companies have gone under or at least switched to making something else. makes for even fewer companies that support the aftermarket.

  49. Norm T Says:

    29…Best thing that has happened to Honda since….VTEC!