AD #2914 – MC20 Won’t Help Maserati’s Turn Around; Production Lucid Air Finally Debuts; Toyota Highlander Goes Soft

September 10th, 2020 at 12:06pm

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Runtime: 11:28

0:07 Europe Considers Stricter Emission Standards
0:51 Hyundai Launches Hydrogen Ad Campaign
1:29 California Getting More Hydrogen Refueling Stations
2:42 Maserati Reveals MC20 Hyper Car
4:20 Mercedes Using Augmented Reality to Help Techs
5:18 Audi Introduces S Versions of the e-tron
6:33 Lucid Air Finally Debuts
9:29 Toyota Highlander Review

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50 Comments to “AD #2914 – MC20 Won’t Help Maserati’s Turn Around; Production Lucid Air Finally Debuts; Toyota Highlander Goes Soft”

  1. Larry D. Says:

    Wow, finally, a Toyota story.

    Re the Hyrdogen BS: “FOOLS’ CELLS” as the Great Elon Musk so succintly described them. THere is no shortage of fools, both in the Automaker Community and in US State Governments, it seems.

  2. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The Augmented Reality for techs from M/B makes good sense. With models so complex and changing regularly it would be hard for the dealer tech to stay up to speed on the newer technologies. When a special problem occurs, and help would take lots of time in remedial training or even checking in the service manual, a savvy tech at M/B’s home location could probably (a lot of times) secure an answer thus saving the customer time away from his vehicle and a tech tied up with a problem vehicle slowing repairs for the whole shop.

  3. Larry D. Says:

    PS I know very well what a “Levante” is (it’s not a plant or a perfume, but a WIND) but what the hell is a “Grecale”? Sounds like a Gremlin. AMC should sue, if it were still alive.

  4. Larry D. Says:

    3 “The Levant” is also a broad geographical region.

  5. GEORGE RICCI Says:

    Question: Is it the responsibility of State Government to create a refueling infrastructure for vehicles? NO, NO, NO!!!!

    But that is exactly what California is doing with Hydrogen refueling stations for a few thousand vehicles. 99.9% of California voters do NOT know that their tax money is being wasted on this endeavor. But it get worse, since 95% of all the Hydrogen made is made by burning fossil fuels, its NOT green energy!

  6. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    3) A quick google search reveals that Grecale in noun form is north-east wind.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The hybrid version of the Highlander should be pretty nice, for those who need that sort of vehicle. It gets about 2/3 the mpg of a Camry hybrid, both in CR’s tests and EPA numbers, really good for a CUV that size. The hybrid Highlander gets 46% better overall mpg in CR’s tests than the non-hybrid.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I don’t know how accurate the analysis is, but this article concludes that a fuel cell car is about half as efficient as a battery electric car, assuming the hydrogen is obtained by electrolyzing water.

    https://theconversation.com/hydrogen-cars-wont-overtake-electric-vehicles-because-theyre-hampered-by-the-laws-of-science-139899

  9. Joe Says:

    The all great Elon Musk should start getting a bit worried about Tesla’s future. Why? It’s obvious the major auto companies have been waiting years for better batteries while they sold their ICE. Those big companies knew they could build them, but why bother just to make a little or no money. The media and Wall Street tried hard to make you believe Elon Musk is some kind of genius and no company can touch his genius, and many still believes that. Well, prime time is just around the corner. Not only are they coming, but are coming with better technology. Take GM’s battery management system, just that in itself could be a game changer.
    Good luck Tesla. You will need it since you will now have some real competition.

  10. Lambo2015 Says:

    I cant help but feel that Hydrogen and even BEVs are being built simply because we can. There doesn’t seem to be a huge demand for them and the advantages are marginal at best.

    California seems like the long lost uncle of the US states that has a gambling problem. The occasional win keeps them betting on long shots and financing all sorts of expensive endeavors. In a few years they will have gas stations, Diesel pumps, Natural gas, Hydrogen, and electric charging stations all over the state some of which is paid for by tax payers.
    Its like the whole state is a R&D facility. Don’t worry about practicality or function or even if there is a long term viability in something. They are ready to finance it and gamble that it pays off. I guess someone has to.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10. The biggest reason people buy battery electric cars is that they “just like them.” I personally know two people who have bought them recently, a Model S and a Bolt. Liking EVs is why both bought the much different cars.

    Even after 5 decades of serious emission controls, some California urban areas still have smog at times. That is part of the reason for their encouragement for vehicles that “get the emissions out of town.” Unless there are a lot of cars not working properly, though, the current smog is probably from sources other than cars.

  12. ArtG Says:

    I did a term paper on fuel cells and their future for my HS physics class. That was in 1965. Here we are 55 years later and…

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 I guess they still use fuel cells for some space cargo.

  14. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    12) There are some real advantages to fuel cells, but nobody has been able to get around the cost. I wish that it could advance but I don’t see it happening in my lifetime.

  15. GM Veteran Says:

    Finally, a BEV company will sell a car with great technology and cutting edge screen capacity and capability that is actually integrated into the interior of the vehicle. The huge screen Tesla gives its owners looks like they got a great buy on leftover desktop screens and decided to just attach them to the interior of their cars any way they could. They appear to be a total afterthought. Thank you Lucid for providing an elegantly styled and high tech interior!

  16. Larry D. Says:

    Only true of the failed, loser compliance BEVs. NOT ANY TESLAS.

  17. Larry D. Says:

    Only true of the failed, loser compliance BEVs. NOT ANY TESLAS.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    17 was in reply to 11. It is RIDICULOUS to equate the exhiliarating performance of any TESLA to the failed ugly LEAF or BOLT or all the other loser BEVs by other makers. Do not mention the $250k Taycan only a few will enjoy. TESLA has won this war and many here stick their heads DEEP in the sand and pretend it never happened. OVER A MILLION BEVS SOLD ALREADY, and a MILLION A YEAR or more in the future, ALL TESLAS.

  19. Larry D. Says:

    15 you are hilarious. DId not know you are so enamored of SAUDI BEVs. Maybe you will call your’s OSAMA

    The hate many here have aginst the ALL AMERICAN WINNER, the DOMINANT BEV Maker TESLA, is truly remarkable. I could understand why a GM Veteran would ENVY TEsla like hell, but all the others, why?

  20. Joe Says:

    Nobody dares to comment about what I wrote on line 13 because it’s the truth and time will prove me correct. Mark my words.

  21. Lambo2015 Says:

    19 I’m not enamored with any of the BEVs. I think they are all a fine niche vehicle. But nothing more than that. Certainly nothing against Tesla as they certainly are the leader. The only problem with being at the top is there is no where to do but down. So will Tesla remain on top? Maybe, but still, we are only talking about 2% of US sales. No matter how much Tesla pays you there is no denying what GM Vet said. As with lots of vehicles out there the screens appear to be afterthoughts and thrown on the dash without much effort to integrate. Tesla is learning that different is always better and that a few knobs and switches are still needed and that doing everything from a touch screen isn’t all its cracked up to be.
    Larry you seem to let your love for Tesla blind you like the protesters in Portland. Anyone say the slightest criticism of Tesla and you flip out on them like they killed your 1st child or dog or whatever you have that you care about besides Tesla.
    Get a little thicker skin dude and know that if someone dislikes Tesla its actually nothing personal with you. Well it wasn’t but maybe a little now as some people have noticed and probably enjoy getting a rise out of you. You make it pretty easy.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18. You really need to get a grip, “Larry,” These people both bought their cars, because the like EVs, even though the cars are substantially different. You are such an obnoxious fool, and need to get over yourself. I did not say in post 11 that a Bolt and Model S are the same. In fact, I specifically said that they are much different, but the people bought them instead of something else, because the like EVs.

  23. Joe Says:

    18
    The EV war has just started and Tesla will be the loser. Those high unrealistic Tesla stocks prices can drop like a rock. Your the one who’s keeping his head in the sand if you can not see it coming. Tesla has enjoyed over ten years w/o any competition and that’s about to end!!!!!!

  24. GM Veteran Says:

    Joe, I agree with you 100%. Larry wants to say Tesla has won the war. The truth is, they won the opening battle. So did the Germans in WWI and WWII, and look how that ended. Ford controlled more than half of the US market when they were building the Model T. Ten years later they were behind Chevrolet and GM and never closed the gap again. There are many more chapters in this book, and while Larry’s enthusiasm is admirable, it may prove to be misplaced in time.

  25. Lambo2015 Says:

    20 I assume you meant #9 But yea I totally agree with you. Other manufacturers have realized that battery powered econoboxes are not going to sell. They need to be decent cars if they’re going to ask 50K+ for them. But as I said before this high end luxury BEV will limit their demographic even further. Sure someone will release a Model 3 fighter and that battle as yet to be seen. No doubt its coming though. I am still just very skeptical that BEVs will be able to take on much more than 10% of the US market without a huge breakthrough in battery tech. That could be any day.

  26. GM Veteran Says:

    19 – As usual, you are jumping to a lot of conclusions and making some interesting assumptions based out of a lack of information.

    Can’t figure out why you think I would envy Tesla, . . . or why your caps lock button intermittently malfunctions.

  27. Joe Says:

    15
    I agree with you that the display on a Tesla looks like a computer screen which I think it is, and Elon must have had a great bargain on them.

    Below is another great looking screen that’s 30″ an built like it was meant to be.

    https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/08/cadillac-lyriq-combines-technology-and-luxury-to-awaken-the-senses-video/

  28. GM Veteran Says:

    I agree. Cadillac certainly makes their share of mistakes, but they do a much nicer job of integrating their screens than many others.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28. I’ve read reviews on the CT5, and everyone seems to agree that the base powertrain is the big weakness, compared to the direct competition, 3 series and C-Class. I don’t know what is wrong, but the Cadillac is both slower and thirstier than the BMW and Benz, and most reviewers also find the powertrain less refined. Is GM’s turbo 4 not as good, is the gearing wrong, or what? It has plenty of transmission speeds, more than the competition.

  30. Wim van Acker Says:

    @29: I test drove it last October in West Virginia at a conference. Drove it for half an hour on the freeway and curvy roads. Floored it several times. What a great vehicle. Great ride and handling, very good acceleration. Very refined interior with beautiful leather seats and great electronics. Phenomenal job by GM. Am not in the market for a sedan, but highly recommend it to anybody who is.

  31. ArtG Says:

    His caps lock malfunctions, just like Trump’s does.

  32. cwolf Says:

    From what I have read, the CT5 is a nice car but doesn’t handle as well as those compared. Acker’s impressions are probably more real for who has the intent to drive it like a race car.
    The Lucid car is luxury at a high price and even the cheapest model can go a good distance even in winter with the heater on. But I have been thinking. All of these pricy EV’s have large rim sizes. If they are anything like my 245/40 R19’s, the selection is limited and 55K seems to be the biggest wear rating I could find. Given that EV’s are heavier, tires won’t last long. For those in a snow belt, 2 sets of tires is a must and mounting prices go as high as $20/tire if an extra set of hubs weren’t purchased.
    Because they are so heavy, the added momentum should increase stopping distance in inclement weather.
    There are a lot of things to consider when buying one of these!

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30. Driving the CT5 in isolation, you wouldn’t notice that it is slower than a BMW 330i or the 2.0 turbo C-Class, and you wouldn’t know that it’s thirstier. I’m wondering if the GM 2.0 turbo is not tuned to take full advantage of premium gas, which compromises performance. I think the Cadillac is “premium gas recommended,” while the 330i and C whatever might be “premium required.” That’s just a guess about why the performance and mpg difference. The CT5 is ~200 pounds heavier than the Germans, but that’s only about 6%, and shouldn’t make much difference.

  34. Wim van Acker Says:

    @32, just to be clear: I have only had an “intense test drive” with the CT5 and loved the product in every way. I did not have the competitors’ products there on site so I cannot compare with those.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34. I suspect I would really like the CT5 on a test drive. It would be much nicer, and somewhat quicker than my Camry. What I’d like, would be a CT5 with a Toyota hybrid powertrain. It would be a little slower, but use half as much gas than the 2.0 turbo.

  36. cwolf Says:

    34) Wm, I meant to say that you probably drove it like the car was intended and not a race car.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The local Cadillac dealer has a couple CT5s, both 4 cylinder, 4wd, one white and one black. They have a pretty, metallic red CT4, also 4wd. They have about 10 times as many SUVs as cars, though, which is where the market is. Most everything, except that CT4, is black, white, or one of several shades of grey. Is that what most people want? You’d think it would make sense for them to order some of them with color.

  38. veh Says:

    “Most everything, except that CT4, is black, white, or one of several shades of grey. Is that what most people want? You’d think it would make sense for them to order some of them with color.”

    It’s a self fulfilling prophecy, I think. Dealers order them because neutral colors won’t be a deal breaker. Like when we leased our truck, we ended up with a boring silver one because it had the towing setup we wanted. We tolerated the color, it wasn’t our preference.

    And since 95% of vehicles in the US are bought off the lot, all the gray ones sell. So the dealer orders more…

  39. Larry D. Says:

    More, and overwhelming, evidence that the so called experts, who predicted a decline in auto sales, and myself, who predicted a huge decline in MASS TRANSIT and Airlines and Trains etc, and STRONG demand for cars and car miles driven:

    The Demand for JET FUEL was down a WHOPPING 50% in the US. Ie, it COLLAPSED

    “..Half of the usual demand for jet fuel in the US has evaporated as passengers continue to shun air travel due to the COVID-19 pandemic containment measures. The bought amount of jet fuel in the US – a key driver of oil demand – was just 0.94 million barrels per day in the week ending 28 August compared with 1.88 million barrels per day one year ago. The figures indicate that jet fuel will likely be the slowest oil product to recover…”

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    39 You’d think that would make diesel fuel cheap, since diesel and jet fuel are about the same thing, but where I am, diesel is still about 40 cents a gallon more than regular gas.

  41. Larry D. Says:

    If and when I will decide to waste my money, regardless if my budget is $50k or $500k, and buy a new car from a dealer (or a Tesla store), it will NEVER be some POS the dealer has in the lot, AND it will NEVER be a horrible, 50 shades of grey and no color, interior.

    I can tolerate gray and silver EXteriors much easier. In fact, my neighbor has an SL Merc with the metal retractrable top, looks new but must be pre-2006, with a brilliant silver exterior that is probably the BEST color for that vehicle.

  42. Larry D. Says:

    40 In MI, the price differential btw gas and diesel is not uniform, but varies widely from gas station to gas station, often just blocks away from each other. I always gas at the Kroger station next to my supermarket, because of the 40-50 cent discount, and by happy coincidence ot has a very small differential, while the Mobil station a block away has a 50c diff, and the Speedway 2 miles north of it has diesel cheaper than gas!

    in my summer home fuel is much more expensive, but diesel has fallen significantly, down to almost 1 EUro/lt from 1.2-1.3 last summer. Gasoline also fell from an average of $1.65/lt to $1.40 or so.

  43. Larry D. Says:

    40 what do you mean ‘diesel and jet fuel are the same thing”???

  44. Larry D. Says:

    In the US, diesel fuel during the CV should be in good demand since many consumers are not driving their gas cars to the stores but order from AMazon and packages arrive in big diesel trucks (for most of the distance) and smaller gas, dieel and a few Electric smaller vans and trucks for the rest of the distance.

  45. Kit Gerhart Says:

    43. I said that they are “about” the same thing, meaning that they are both, basically kerosene. The additives, or lack thereof are different, the the base is somewhat different, but not much. Here is a discussion of the finer points, and the down side of using jet fuel in diesel engines, even though they usually run on it.

    https://generalaviationnews.com/2011/03/17/jet-a-versus-diesel-fuel/

  46. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Diesel fuel and some jet fuel are very close resembling a kerosene basis hydrocarbon. While not the same, they are similar, and jet A will run in a diesel engine (in a pinch; but why would you other than as an academic exercise)

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    43,45. Here’s more about it.

    https://www.thedieselstop.com/threads/jet-a-vs-diesel.62296/

  48. Larry D. Says:

    Ι thought diesel was a heavy oil, almost like crude itself. There are many kinds of diesel fuel. Ships use some very heavy diesel fuels that look nothing like kerosene, which I thought was an even finer fuel than car gasoline. In fact one of the problems my first phD student wanted to study, but changed topic eventually because of lack of data, was the added vibrations as cargo ships would change over from the good diesel when they got out or in the port, to the worst, dirtiest heavy diesel which they used for the 1000s of miles they did on ‘cruise control’ crossing the ocean at a constant speed.

  49. Kit Gerhart Says:

    48. Cargo ships with the huge engines with 3 and 4 foot bore use something referred to as “bunker oil,” very thick stuff that will barely flow at room temperature. Road going diesels, construction equipment, etc. use the stuff that is similar to jet fuel.

  50. Wmb Says:

    Looks like the Lucid Air may be everything it claimed to be. They set out to build an electric luxury vehicle and that is what it appears that they have done. While a Tesla may be an EV that sells at luxury car prices, it looks like Lucid has build an electric luxury vehicle. But man, that price? Yikes! I can see it challenging the S-Class, 7 Series, A8 and Model S, but that’s just the starting price. The Touring and Grand Touring’s pricing are competitive with Maybachs, Panameras and 9 Series! The Dream version, like the Taycan Turbo S, is knocking on the door of Bentleys, Aston Martins and vehicles of that ilk. Will its interior luxury appointments meet that kind of scrutiny, richness and attention to detail? It’s hard to imagine that it will. Thats not to say they won’t sell everyone that they make, though. The Big take away, is the range in a true luxury vehicle, IMHO. It seems that we were being lead to believe that, to get big EV mile numbers, customers would have to settle for light weight replacement materials. No real wood or leather, for they added too much weight to an already heavy vehicle. Alternative lighter fabrics and a new type of luxury experience was becoming the norm. The Air on the other hand, shows that, what most have become accustomed, these need not be thrust aside. Exciting time ahead.