AD #2918 – Nissan Unveils New Z Prototype; Kia Shares EV Plans; GM Wants to Use Its Batteries in Drones

September 16th, 2020 at 11:42am

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Runtime: 9:01

0:07 GM Sues Former UAW & FCA Execs
1:09 Department of Justice Joins SEC Investigation into Nikola
1:33 Daimler Trucks Shows Off Fuel Cell Concept
2:59 Nissan Unveils New Z Prototype
4:28 Skoda Adopts New Engine Manufacturing Process
5:20 Kia Shares EV Plans
6:03 GM Reveals More Info About Its EV Drive System
7:07 GM Wants to Use Its Batteries in Drones

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41 Comments to “AD #2918 – Nissan Unveils New Z Prototype; Kia Shares EV Plans; GM Wants to Use Its Batteries in Drones”

  1. Drew Says:

    Regarding the Z concept, I suspect the grille is unfinished business. But if I am wrong and that grille is the design intent, I’d say there is no design in that grille.

    I also like the roof line, but the taillamps are a complete let-down… lacking any homage to nostalgia or recent Z taillamps themes.

  2. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Post mortem on the Tesla Battery day? Who or what died? Or do you just mean an ‘autopsy’ of the event (but that also requires the patient to be dead).

  3. MJB Says:

    Hmmmmm… I find that new Z design quite boring overall, to be quite honest. Underwhelming.

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    The Z car is very reminiscent of the 1970′s 240Z Which also had a square grill but was much thinner. Then with the 280 they started pulling air from below but brought back a square grill in the 4th generation 300Z. The 350Z and 370Z got rounded corners but still basically a rectangular grill. I’m afraid what you showed will be what they make and agree it could use a little more work.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    3 zzzz…

  6. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Drew – Here’s what Nissan says of the rear taillights, “The rear takes inspiration from the 300ZX (Z32) taillights, reinterpreted for the modern world.” If you take out the black you’ll notice 4 thin taillights on each side (two next to each other and then stacked on another set of two) similar to the 300zx that was sold in the U.S. from the mid-80′s to mid-90′s. But it sounds like Nissan still missed the mark for you.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    “U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission launched an investigation into Nikola Motors to determine if the company misled investors about its technology. And now the Department of Justice is joining the investigation. Federal authorities are probing Nikola after Hindenburg Research accused the company of exaggerating the capabilities of its fuel cell trucks…”

    You really let the criminals at Nikola get away with murder. “IF” it misled? Really, guys? It already ADMITTED it misled the investors by letting an engine-less Semi go down a long hill and ADMITTING it had no engine of its own. This is a TACIT ADMISSION OF FRAUD.

    The criminals of Nikola belong to JAIL.

    Mary Barra should be VERY EM-Barra-ssed for being fooled like that by those amateurs. In other, advanced industrial nations, where CEOs are RESPONSIBLE even tho they make ONE TENTH of Barra’s UTTERLY undeserved salary, they would have RESIGNED and APOLOGIZED to their shareholders for their STUPIDITY and lack of DUE DILIGENCE.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    I heard today that the nano diamond battery which takes a radioactive isotope man-made battery surrounded by another carbon man-made diamond to protect it. Has a battery life for electric cars around 90 years. It has entered its beta testing and doesn’t appear to be a hoax. This could certainly change things.

  9. Kevin A Says:

    Other pictures of that Z grill show that it is populated with many small rectangles. I don’t care for that much busy-ness, but Nissan seems to thing it helps.

  10. Kevin A Says:

    8 Very little detail at the link on how this might work. At first it sounded like perpetual motion. Later it sounded like a way to produce electricity from radioactive material. Anyone else have an idea how this thing claims to work?

  11. GM Veteran Says:

    If Trevor Milton is a criminal for misleading investors, then Elon Musk should be serving a life sentence! Where is the Semi? Where is the sports car? Where is the $35,000 Model 3? He never said it would only be available for sale for two weeks, and only in black. Musk has specialized in misleading the public and investors.

    The reality is that early prototypes are just that, not finished production-ready vehicles. And, in the course of bringing products to market, many things change along the way. Is anyone really surprised that a deal with GM to build the Badger came with a few strings attached, like using their batteries and fuel cells? This happens all the time in business.

  12. ChuckGrenci Says:

    8, Lambo, I believe they are still working on proof of concept so a physical consumer battery is not even close enough to predict (they certainly didn’t predict any timeframes for production). The concept seems intriguing but there are many ifs, ands and buts before this technology gains any footing. It would be cool if it does work though; it might be the breakthrough of human kind if it can be produced at all and at a cost that could be palatable to buyers.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    10, 12 Here is an article that has a bit more explanation on how it works.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8,13 It might be an alternative to plutonium for powering deep space NASA probes, as long as the radiation can be contained if the rocket blows up on the pad or shortly after launch.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I like the looks of that Z ok, but as others have said, that front end can’t be the final design. A big question is, how much will it cost? If it costs as much as a C8 Corvette or base Cayman, it will have a rough time. The cheapest version of the current Z, which has been around since 2009, is about $38K.

    Here’s an early Z car, with a rectangular grille opening split by a metal and rubber bumper. It must be a non-US version, given the headlight covers.

  16. GM Veteran Says:

    Kit, my guess is that they will offer at least two performance levels of this new Z car. A base car with a non-turbo 6 and a higher spec turbo model. This will give them big performance cred but also a fun car at a reasonable price point to get to the sales volume they will be looking for. If they only sell a turbo version, the price point will be high and volume will be low after the initial first year rush of sales.

  17. XA351GT Says:

    The Rear of the Z needs a ducktail spoiler. the front end needs a thin separation in the grille to replicate the feeling of the chrome bumpers of the 240 . It would help break up that blah feeling when looking at the front of the car . It needs something there.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    Nikola: How to Parlay An Ocean of Lies Into a Partnership With the Largest Auto OEM in America

    Read it from the source itself:

  19. Larry D. Says:

    18 Did you read it?? DEVASTATING. This Trevor Criminal sure looks like a pathological liar. AMAZING how he had a company worth 20 bill (not any more, thank god!!!) based on a HEAP OF LIES. They are not just the 5 I mentioned yesterday. There are DOZENS of frauds in the link.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    Where is Bob Wilson? He said he wanted to short Nikola but mentioned something about high interest rates, so he did not. Not sure what this was about, BUT, if he is still interested, I sure would recommend shorting it by investing in Hindenburg Research, that is what they did, and very successfully. The DIFFERENCE between Hindenburg and the countless LOSERS who lost 3 billion shorting TESLA is that those clowns had NO Evidence of wrongdoing, while Hindenburg did a TON of legwork and research (READ MY LINK in 18 to see for yopurselves!!!) and shorted Nikola based on the AMAZING EVIDENCE of dozens of FRAUDS its CEO committed.

    The last paragraph answers Kit’s comments about the choice of name. It was not the company boss’s name:

    “Why “Hindenburg”?

    We view the Hindenburg as the epitome of a totally man-made, totally avoidable disaster. Almost 100 people were loaded onto a balloon filled with the most flammable element in the universe. This was despite dozens of earlier hydrogen-based aircraft meeting with similar fates. Nonetheless, the operators of the Hindenburg forged ahead, adopting the oft-cited Wall Street maxim of “this time is different”.

    We look for similar man-made disasters floating around in the market and aim to shed light on them before they lure in more unsuspecting victims.”

  21. Drew Says:

    @6 – Sean, I’m with you about the Z taillamps having an A-M vibe to them. Nissan’s 300ZX claim is a stretch.

  22. SteveO Says:

    The Nissan Z looks a lot like a facelifted version of the current car. Other reports have noted that all dimensions but length are the same. The exterior design is totally derivative and underwhelming. Interior is nicely done, though. This half-assed effort is one more sign of the ongoing financial and management crisis at Nissan, and it’s only going to get worse.

  23. Drew Says:

    @22 – I thought the same thing, seeing a lot of carryover structure in the A-pillar and similar vehicle proportions.

  24. Lex Says:

    That new Nissan looks like a updated version of the Volvo P1800. If you put some wings on the back and some chrome around the front grill.

    I hope Honda’s update of the 2022 Pilot will brings back the boxy styling which the previous 2015 Pilot model had. This Updated Boxy Pilot will most definitely capture sales away from the Kia Telluride. I would believe Honda is benchmarking the Telluride as it updates the next version of the Pilot.

    I hope they kept the tooling of the 2015 Pilot? If they did they could relocate funds towards interior elements and technologies.

  25. Alex Carazan Says:

    EV’s have been out for a decade and only make up 1.4% of USA sales yet almost every day we hear of news, articles, and opinions about EV’s. Why the fascination? It is almost as if people are being pushed to promote them. Why? Mmmmmmm!


    22) That was my thoughts also. It is definitely derivative and ultimately boring and forgettable. That front end needs some serious work. It is so plain. I thought of the 1989 Nissan Z when I saw the taillights. I didn’t think of the 90s Z. I looked back at the 89 Z and figured out why. That version had the long thin tail lamps like this one. The 90s Z were bigger.

  27. Lambo2015 Says:

    22 That’s the problem when a car company has a beautiful design that stands the test of time. Looking at the original Z cars they were great looking cars then, and still are today, right up there with the 1960s Jaguar E types, Ford GT and some others. Whenever they try and modernize it and pay tribute to the original design you get what can appear as a half hearted effort. Its not an original and its not exactly new its something in-between. The 2005 retro mustang was a pretty good effort and did well but its difficult to recreate a hit.
    I think its similar to movie remakes. They rarely ever meet the success of the original. Even squeals on rare occasions surpass the original. Just hard to live up to an icon and those designs don’t come around very often. Datsun had their hit and many enthusiasts will still try and recapture the excitement but I find its just never the same.

  28. cwolf Says:

    Plasma spraying cylinder walls is a fascinating process. Not only is time and cost reduced, the hardness and surface finish, due to the molecular structure, increases wearability and higher pressures.
    The first thing I noticed when I was learning how to plasma weld in a similar process was that it layer like smooth soft butter. I think the gas shield had a lot to do with it.

  29. cwolf Says:

    I think more facts have to come out on this Nikola topic before anyone can make a conclusion. I, personally, believe GM will benefit regardless of the outcome. Even if Nikola is fined, they will continue just like all those in the diesel emissions scandal. In the end, having Nikola as a customer, GM may have developed a stronger foothold in the EV development process for heir own products.
    If this works out for GM, I think they may be Tesla’s biggest rival.

  30. joe Says:

    You are absolutely right. What Trevor Milton has done is peanuts compared to what Elon Musk with his lies and deceptions.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22, 26, et. al.
    Isn’t every new Porsche 911 a “derivative” design, even though the current ones have almost nothing in common with the early ones, except that they have a (totally different) boxer six in the rear? Why is that ok for Porsche, but not for Nissan with the Z? Yeah, that front end on the Nissan needs some work, but I see nothing wrong with it having a similar shape to the old one.

  32. Bob Wilson Says:

    #20 – About 2-3 weeks after NKLA went public, I established a ‘margin account’ with my brokerage. It took a little over 2 weeks to get it setup. But when I tried to SHORT the NKLA, it turned out the interest rate for SHORTed stock was close to 100%. My broker would not do the SHORT sale and reported the excessive interest rate.

    At that time I realized most of the NKLA stock was held by the ‘insiders’ and the light came on. The Nikola insiders were using the high interest rates as a way to make profit from SHORT sellers. In effect, the strategy of “The Producers” who over sold a broadway production that was doomed to fail.

  33. Larry D. Says:

    32 Ι’ve never shorted anything, even a ‘sure thing’ like the criminal Nikola ENterprise, so I don’t know why one needs to pay any interest rate. Perhaps it’s a stupid question, but Can’t you buy cash?

  34. Larry D. Says:

    I read an article in Autonews claiming that the “matchmaker” between GM and the crooks at Nikola was a retired (but only 58 year old) GM exec named Girsky. He claimed he did his homework and that he had ‘an army of people’ check out Nikola (I wonder why was this necessary, as the company owns nothing of real value, in assets or tech; maybe it was an ‘army of one’?). Mary Barra also claims GM did its due diligence, BUT both of the above refute NONE of the Frauds Hindenburg proved that Nikola perpetrated on investors.

    Nikola is not bankrupt yet, my guess solely due to GM’s backing,but when the US DOJ brings criminal charges against the Nikola crooks, its stock will take a real dive.

  35. Lambo2015 Says:

    31 I think the 911 is similar to the Jeep Wrangler. Those two are iconic designs and probably the exception. They have evolved over the years. Gotten bigger wider, improved mechanicals. What they didn’t do was change the basic shape much. You take any year 911 and you know its a 911. Same for the wrangler. People lost their mind when Jeep put square headlights on the wrangler. They cant change the design too much or it becomes something else. The Z cars have had significantly different shapes over the years and when they try and blend portions of the original with parts of all the other designs over the years you get a mishmash result. I don’t think this new Z is ugly by any means but it doesn’t evoke the excitement like, Wow that’s something new and attractive. Its more like, cool but looks familiar in some areas and to be honest, I dont think anyone looks at a new 911 or new wrangler and thinks wow that’s so original. Its an improved version a design that has basically stayed the same and some people still find attractive. I still find the orginal 240Z attractive but blended with all the others not as much.

  36. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Some may say the new “Z” is ‘clean’ but my description would be more like ‘plain’. It doesn’t offend but it doesn’t please either, at least to my eye. .

  37. Larry D. Says:

    Some Nikola exec, maybe Trevor himself, said, to account for their utter poverty of tech or products, that they are “Systems Integrators”. THis reminded me of several lightweight academics, all of them invariably weak in math or science, who chose this as their specialty, and published all those conceptual papers, with not one number, let alone one equation, but instead filled with graphs of processes with little arrows and little barrels all over the place. I remember my 2nd PhD student, who was very strong in math, who told me that if he was ever given the chance to evaluate one of these charlatans, he sure would flunk him with flying colors.

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36. Yeah, it is “plain,” but I mostly like it ok. The Toyota/BMW Supra could use a big dose of “plain,” given all of those fake air scoops, or whatever they are supposed to be.

    As with most sports cars, sales of the current Z have declined a lot, from a peak in 2010. The new one should sell ok for a while, if they keep the price close to the outgoing car.

  39. Carl Says:

    Fist though on seeing t a picture of the ‘new Z’ from the front was I was looking at a late’80s, early ’90s model Camaro. In my opinion, it’s massively ugly.

  40. Carl Says:

    [Corrected post. Keyboard issues]
    First though on seeing a picture of the ‘new Z’ from the front was I was looking at a late’80s, early ’90s model Camaro. In my opinion, it’s massively ugly.

  41. Larry D. Says:

    30 You have no clue what you are talking about. MUSK NEVER LIED OR DECEIVED ANYBODY, it is just your pathetic, pathological HATE of the GENIUS, perhaps because you feel so inadequate compared to him, in ANY respect, not just his brains and his engineering BRILLIANCE, but his financial success to the tune of almost 100 BILLIONS, all WELL DESERVED.

    On the COntrary, Trevor Milton is a COMMON CRIMINAL and belongs to JAIL. He has NOTHING to offer GM, and he has got away with MURDER. LOOK AT THE DAMNED FACTS that Hindenburg so PAINSTAKINGLY collected. But who am i kidding.. you are a worthless liar yourself. You DISGUST ME and so do the other Milton APOLOGISTS.