AD #3004 – Tesla Reveals Updated Model S & X; GM to Supply Navistar with Fuel Cells; Toyota Takes Back Sales Crown

January 28th, 2021 at 12:03pm


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Runtime: 9:34

0:07 Tesla 2020 Earnings Improve but Investors Disappointed
1:13 Mixed Results for EV Startups
1:36 Tesla Reveals Updated Model S & X
4:27 GM to Supply Navistar with Fuel Cells
5:23 Chip Shortage Could Cost Automakers $61 Billion
6:55 Spin Adds Remote Control Feature To E-Scooters
7:56 Ford to Make Mustang Mach-E in China
8:38 Toyota Takes Back Sales Crown

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27 Comments to “AD #3004 – Tesla Reveals Updated Model S & X; GM to Supply Navistar with Fuel Cells; Toyota Takes Back Sales Crown”

  1. cwolf Says:

    Since Tesla continues not to be able to be profitable without regulatory credits only proves to me that they aren’t quite there yet.
    And the model S and X at a starting price of $80 and $ 90 thousand…well good luck with that!

    I find nothing wrong with Foed making the Mach-E in CVhina as long as these parts and cars don’t reach our shores. Hopefully, this administration will keep their promise to promote “Made in America.”

    And finally, another show of EV makers intent to offer their product which won’t hit the market for, AGAIN, for another couple years!
    How many years have we been waiting already?

  2. Wim van Acker Says:

    @TESLA: great work on the updates. Especially the interior, including the steering wheel.

  3. cwolf Says:

    I haven’t seen E-scooters to be a sucess in any city thus far. They tried to rent Segways in my home town vacation spot which didn’t last more than a couple years. Now they will be tried in Boise Idaho, of all places! Good luck in the winter snow.

  4. Roger Blose Says:

    Just read that the Tesla S Plaid+ can hit 0-60 in 1.99 seconds. They claim it is the fastest sedan in the world with a top speed over 200 mph.Those numbers are pretty scary for a street driven car and priced to sell too.

  5. wmb Says:

    I think Tesla has an opportunity here, that the Big Three and the other US Upstarts may not be in a position to jump on. The Biden administration wants their vehicle fleet to be EV’s, but currently there are not many choices. Now when they say fleet vehicles, I do not know if that includes law enforcement, so that may be excluded from their intentions. That being said, the Chevy Bolt many be too small. The Mach-E is built in Mexico, so it’s use may raise the ire on Americans, especially the UAW. Rivian and Lucid has yet to have a road worthy vehicle and with Lucid’s having Middle eastern financing and backers, again, this may not sit well with Americans in the know. However, Tesla, a wholly American company, that, outside of some aesthetic quality control issues, has product and technology that has proven itself for nearly 10 years. They have a recharging infrastructure in place to refuel their vehicles. With fewer moving parts, the bigger upfront costs can be recaptured over time. And while the retail side does more to help Tesla’s bottom line, it’s still a good business case with almost guaranteed repeat business (just look at Ford and their emergency/law enforcement vehicles). It may be several years before other local start-ups and the Big Three will have a product to fit this space. When they do, the question will be, with them being new, how reliable will they be? Where as Telsa has been doing this for going on a decade. An order of about 100K, single motor, non-FSD, 300 plus mile MODEL 3, Y or even the new S may be just the beginning of a beautiful relationship between Tesla and the federal government.

  6. GM Veteran Says:

    Back in October, Elon dropped the base price of the Model S twice in one week, to $69,420, after Lucid announced the price of the Air model. I guess that didn’t last too long.

    I think the yoke steering wheel is a joke. If you think about the different ways you hold the wheel now, this yoke is going to eliminate most of those. Maybe they think it will encourage more owners to use Autopilot because using the yoke is such a pain?

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4 Is that 0-60 in 1.99 seconds on street tires, or on some kind of drag slicks? It would take seriously sticky tires to do that, even with 4wd.

  8. Wim van Acker Says:

    @8: I am wondering how practical that 1.99 second acceleration is. Now, I may be a Slowski, but a friend of mine was yelling “go faster, go faster” at me when he let me drive his normal TESLA Model S. I did not dare to floor the acceleration pedal of that “normal” S and the headrest made the back of my head flat for the rest of my life :-)

  9. Wim van Acker Says:

    I meant @7 instead of @8

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Ford must expect to sell a lot of Mach-Es, to start building them in China in addition to Mexico, even before much is known about demand.

    As far as parts sourcing, parts for all vehicles come from all over the world. I’d expect a lot of Mach-E parts, maybe motors and batteries to come from China, even for the ones built in Mexico.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 Even the “slow” ~4 second 0-60 of my Corvette is quick enough that I’ve only checked it out from zero about once in the 4 years I’ve had the car.

  12. Phred Says:

    Noticed your constant cheer leading for EV mileage numbers but never comparing the range numbers for a comparable ICE powered vehicle. And you avoid revealing the range numbers for weather conditions. If you are reporting correctly for the auto enthusiast…. what are the range of mileage as influenced by weather That is the measure of convenience. Be complete in your reporting.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 The Model S base price is $79,990 on the Tesla web site.

    Do they have cheaper versions that the stores stock?

  14. joe Says:

    Making Mustang EV’s in China will not sit well with Mustang fans, I’m sure. It’s like saying Corvettes will be made in China.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 The Mach-Es sold in the US will come from Mexico, not China. That might not sit well either, though.

  16. Keith Krieger Says:

    Hack proof???
    The Only Secure Computer Is One That’s Unplugged, Locked In A Safe, And Buried 20 Feet Under The Ground In A Secret Location. And I’m not even sure if that’s secure.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Does that steering wheel in the Model S mean that the steering will be about 180 degrees lock to lock, like an F1 car? That wheel wouldn’t work very well for turning much past 90 degrees in each direction.

  18. GM Veteran Says:

    Kit, the pricing on the Tesla website now is for the newly updated Model S, which is now in production. I did not see any inventory at Tesla stores anywhere, and I tried four different zip codes in different regions of the US.

    Another good point on the steering yoke. That lock to lock ratio is going to take a lot of getting used to compared to existing steering wheels. Many people will be put off by them in the showroom. I expect a regular steering wheel may quickly become an option.

  19. GM Veteran Says:

    14 The Mach Es made in China will be for the Chinese market – currently the largest EV market in the world – and probably always will be. That also means those vehicles won’t be subject to the rather stiff import tariffs, making them much more competitive. Tesla builds vehicles there for that market for the same reason.

  20. Drew Says:

    Regarding the new steering on the Tesla S/X, having 180 lock-to-lock is still a lot of arm twist… but manageable. But, I hope it is a speed-dependent variable ratio system… otherwise the steering ratio will be much too fast at highway speeds, resulting in a darty experience.

  21. joe Says:


    I understand that. It’s good for American companies and for China–as long those cars stay there.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 I’m thinking 90 degrees in each direction, 180 degrees L to L, which I think is about what F1 cars have. I’d think the steering on a road car would need to be greatly desensitized at higher speed using such “fast” steering, to make it possible to stay in your lane, and not weave horribly, etc.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 They will probably stay in China, or at least not come to the US. They may sell the Chinese ones in other countries, with maybe a sizable market in Japan and Australia, if they make RHD versions. I don’t know if that is planned or not.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Top Gear says there will be RHD Mach-Es, probably from Mexico initially, but maybe later from China.

  25. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I applaud the idea of the new Tesla’s refresh with a instrument cluster forward facing to the driver but they could lose the yoke style steering wheel. Perusing the ‘net’ there is much division on the operation of the steering appliance; mostly negative, with some calling it a safety issue (too quick steering that may be prone to oversteering if hitting a bump, etc.). This is another ‘in your face’ que from Tesla, to perhaps, just to be different, which in this case, I don’t see working.

  26. ChuckGrenci Says:

    16, Keith: watch this week’s AAH; they make a very strong argument that hackproof is not a misnomer. And this technology is also better in other ways; less wiring, redundancies, weight reductions, etc. It’s worth the watch (it is the first 30 minutes of the show.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 I’d think using the “yoke” would require variable ratio steering which would get much “slower” as car speed increased. Still, there would be less option of where to put your hands, and less steering precision when fitting the car through a narrow space, etc. Driving a road car is not the same as driving an F1 car, flying an airplane, or playing a video game. Maybe there is a good reason that cars still have steering wheels, even though there has been technology for years that would allow other types of steering controls.