AD #3172 – Genesis Reveals More GV60 Details; Lordstown Could Sell Plant to Foxconn; Toyota Might Return to IndyCar

September 30th, 2021 at 11:54am

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Runtime: 10:51

0:08 Lordstown Could Sell Plant to Foxconn
0:44 Toyota Might Return to IndyCar
1:30 Honda Jumps into VTOL Business
2:41 GM Launches New Software Platform
3:39 Rolls-Royce Going All-Electric By 2030
4:01 Genesis Reveals More GV60 Details
5:25 Ford Going After DIY & Maker Crowd with New Maverick
7:45 Public EV Charging Business Model Is Flawed

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41 Comments to “AD #3172 – Genesis Reveals More GV60 Details; Lordstown Could Sell Plant to Foxconn; Toyota Might Return to IndyCar”

  1. Kate McLeod Says:

    Foxconn built a plant in Wisconsin where the cement flooring isn’t strong enough to support automotive operations? Be sure to be the first to order one of their vehicles. Not.


    I like the marketing strategy behind what Ford is doing with the Maverick. The DIY ideas are a good way to get owners engaged with the truck. It should help build a base of fans of the model….assuming the Maverick is reliable. None of it will matter if the Maverick is unreliable.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 Now, if they would make an actual truck out of the Maverick, in addition to the thing with the four foot bed.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I don’t quite see the point of Indycar going to hybrid powertrains, with most of the races being on ovals. It’s not like F1, where there is a lot of heavy braking, where they recover energy. Maybe the KERS will be used strategically to pass, after filling the battery during times of following a train of cars. The hybrid powertrains will have more benefit for the Indycar road races. Still, it’s a lot more complexity, and cost for the teams to deal with, and if there are three engine builders, they will need to make them perform well, not just work reliably.

  5. Larry Bergren Says:

    Foxconn plant in WI was originally built to manufacture flat screens and electronic components. Never intended to be an automotive plant. Not surprising that cement isn’t the correct thickness.

  6. John McElroy Says:

    #3. 5-foot bed.

  7. wmb Says:

    I remember reading that with RRs new platform CLAR, they had originally built it to accommodate BEV hardware, so no surprise with this announcement.The questions I have, though, are first, with this CLAR platform, Rolls Royce said that they had to add weight to their new Phantom built from those new set of bones. Saying that to get the riding and handling balance that the brand is known for, they needed to add the additional heft. This always seemed counter intuitive, but especially now that this will be the architecture of choice for their series of BEVs. The next question is whether their BEVs will sit on the same foot print as their ICE brethren? Compared with ICE, EVs can do the same or a lot more internally and be a lot smaller externally, so will they need to be such big cars? Finally and the most important question, with Rolls Royce having one of the most recognizable radiator grills, what will they do, how will their vehicles look without one!

    The Genesis GV60 is really starting to warm up to me, especially seeing it in more colors! The range could be better, but it is livable. I just think it will be well above my price arrange.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3,6 Actually, 4 1/2 feet, according to multiple sources I find, and 54.5 inches according to one.

    Either way, why not make a regular cab, or at least an “extended cab” version with a longer bed? Of course, maybe they will, after sales taper off from initial demand.

  9. Lex Says:

    Racing is Driver & Machine vs Driver & Machine, not AI & Machine vs AI & Machine!

    John you bring up an excellent point. If there is no where to reliably charge your electric vehicle who is going to buy them! I believe hybrids with smaller high density battery packs which are located under the rear seats along with a 1000cc or less gas electric generator under the hood which recharges the battery pack when it fall below 50% of state of charge is much better alternative in the long run.

    This will give enough lead time for gas stations to switch half their facilities from gas pumps to electric pumps to accommodate pure EV charging. Maybe Dinners will make a come back on our interstates?

    Also think about if there is a total black out, how are you going to charge your electric car? The electric generator in the car can recharge your car and keep the lights and refrigerator running in your house until the utilities companies get the power turned back on.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 I suspect the electric Rollers will have a traditional looking, but non-functional grille. They should have a huge “frunk,” unless they put extra batteries there to increase range.

  11. Lambo2015 Says:

    The public charging is also flawed because most EV owners will likely charge at home so their localized travels they don’t need a charger at the mall or store. If they are traveling they need a charger along side a major highway. So if charging takes an hour or more, what are they to do for that long besides eat? So investing in a charger might make sense for a restaurant along a highway but probably not in town. Can a business plan be made by a restaurant to justify a 70K charger for that one extra customer every 90 min or so? I doubt it.

  12. Lex Says:

    @11 Lambo2015 – I totally agree with your statement. The reward does not out weight the current investment unless there are huge government subsides.

  13. Albemarle Says:

    You have a good point John, the economics of the public charging industry is awful. But you need more than chips and smokes to make up the difference. Machinery 10x the price of gas, much slower turnaround and lower $ sales is a recipe for loss. That’s probably why Tesla is now open to sharing their Superchargers. They were right it’s an essential part of getting people into EVs, but now that they are known for the system, Tesla would like some cost sharing going down the road.

    OEMs are again slow off the mark. They didn’t have to pay for gas stations and they’re darned if they will spend on chargers. So they wonder why Tesla has so much of the business. It would be interesting to know how important a factor the Supercharger network is to buying a Tesla. I expect it’s pretty high.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 Something that could get me interested in an EV, short of home charging, would be if local restaurants had charging available. I often spend an hour or more at restaurants, and if I could get 50 miles of charge in an hour at a restaurant I like, I’d definitely consider an EV for one of my cars. Even the 20 miles/hour of charge from a 30 amp dryer outlet would make me consider it.

    As you say, though, a restaurant is not going to want to spend big money for charging. Depending on their existing electrical service, though, it might not cost much to install a few 30 amp 240 volt outlets. I suspect most restaurants of any size have 100 amps of available capacity on their main panel, beyond what they are using.

  15. John McElroy Says:

    #8. You’re right. 54.4″ to be precise.

    One body style was critical to holding down the cost of the truck and launching with a base price around $20,000. So a regular or extended cab is not likely to happen.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 Sad, but true. A regular cab hybrid Maverick would be a great replacement for a Ranger and S-10 used by a couple “handy men” I know, but I suppose they will be forced to buy used, huge trucks when the ones they have die, most likely from road salt induced rust.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 A friend who bought a Model S about a year ago wouldn’t have considered a non-Tesla, because of the super chargers. With Tesla allowing non-Teslas to use their chargers, though, will their be queues at too many of the chargers? Tesla owners wouldn’t like that, nor would I blame them.

  18. john o Says:

    Everything in the ev market is moving to fast i see a crash coming in the auto industry, i agree with you John

  19. Dave Says:

    In our city we have lots of competition in terms of ev charging Chargepoint, FLO, BC Hydro, Greenlots, PetroCan, City of Nanaimo, and of course Tesla. Most have high output DC charging. Hence let the free market provide the service and government should stay out of the way. Also the electric utility companies have expertise to provide the service. It seems that Tesla is putting their newer chargers in malls. There is also usually coffee near these chargers critical for driving long distances.

  20. XA351GT Says:

    Kit Indycar runs more street and road courses than you think .They only run 3 oval tracks , Texas 2 races, Gateway and the Indy 500.So only 4 of this years scheduled 17 races were Ovals. 7 permanent road courses and 5 street courses.

  21. Mac Says:

    In regard to EV charging, I think the entire business model — based on current battery and charging methods — is flawed. As a near 40 year veteran of the electrical industry, I find myself agreeing with most of my equipment supplier friends who are still scratching their heads on how the current business model is feasible without HEAVY government subsidies, let alone the extended travel times for anything greater than local travel. As of right now, it looks to many of us that the hydrogen business model is about the only non-hydrocarbon-based system with real potential outside of major metro areas.

  22. XA351GT Says:

    Sorry 6 street courses

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20,22 Thanks for info. It looks like I’ve lost touch with Indy Car, paying much attention only to the 500. For a few years, F1 has been the only racing series I have really followed.

  24. GM Veteran Says:

    The choice of the name Spectre is interesting. Especially considering that it will be used by a British brand. Looks like James Bond will be sticking with Astons!

    Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion (abbreviated as SPECTRE)

  25. Rey Says:

    About public charging, this is where Tesl has an advantage from the get go.from 2012- 2013 when the Tesla SC was envisioned by Elon Musk, and now with Tesla building a Megapack battery assembly factory near Fremont they will eventually equipped all SC stations with Megapack batteries as the Fuel Tank – to buffer and help with grid balancing and ease demand charges,& store power from Wind and Solar as well, on top of having Tesla Autobidder Software with AI to predict the Electric Utility demand as in Energy Spot Pricing in the Market. Tesla Super Chargers are now built in Buffalo New York Giga2 and Giga 3 , Shanghai. And are being deployed Worlwide.

  26. XA351GT Says:

    25 There was a Studebaker prototype called the Spectre . I saw it on display at the AACA Musuem in Hershey in 2019. It was a cool looking car with many really ahead of it’s time features.

  27. XA351GT Says:

    Sorry 24

  28. Bob Wilson Says:

    The answer is “the traditional automakers have no interest in building public charging stations.” Then give up building EVs!

    No 3d party has a financial interest in the operation of traditional maker EVs. So service quality is low and price high.

    The right solution is for the non-Tesla manufacturers to buy or build out a fast DC charging network they manage for their customers; A first step, any EV dealer must have a 24×7 fast DC charger on site. Then we’ll know they are serious.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 Early fiftys production Studebakers were way “ahead of their time” in styling, and had some advanced features, like hill holding. Well, they had hill hold long before 1950.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 Car companies did build gas stations when cars became commonplace with the arrival of the Model T. Oil companies did. Maybe electric utilities should build charge stations for EVs.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 That’s car companies DID NOT build gas stations…

  32. wmb Says:

    While, IMHO, there is still an opportunity for OEMs to step up on the miles per wattage front. Lucid has a long range vehicle with 450-500 miles on a charge! Even if it took 9-11 hours to charge, for eve long distance travel, that would be worth it. That would be driving most or all of the day, to recharge at night while sleeping at a hotel. The challenge would be getting that type of distance in a midsize/compact vehicle at a reasonable price to buy or lease.

  33. Roger T Says:

    John, i could not agree with you more. Also, to #11, charging time should be 30-45 minutes, depending how much you need for where you’re going. If fast charging then a place to use the restroom, have a coffee, buy a lottery ticket and a beer might just do the trick.
    I for one would think current gas stations well situated should start thinking of the future and add a reliably functional charger so that people see it and learn to stop there when they go electric.

  34. Sean Wagner Says:

    26 XA351GT – Looked up the Studebaker Sceptre (sic). Doubt the “electric razor” grill would be legal nowadays! That led me to the outstandingly original Mercer Cobra built by the same Italian company. See

    EV Charging – The likes of Tesla’s lower power destination chargers don’t cost nearly as much as Superchargers. I tried looking up their cost in Tesla’s financial statements, but it’s not broken out.

    Many people still opt for a Tesla expressly for the ease of the entire charging experience. In Europe, a full battery at departure and one or two 15 minute recharges give you nice autonomy.

    Maybe limited (low-speed) autonomy coupled with exchangeable battery packs will solve the issue for cheap metro runabouts. They could trundle to a station at night. Crucially, the LiFePO4 chemistry allows many packs to be stored together without creating an undue fire hazard.

    Tesla’s early exchangeable packs never caught on.

  35. Lambo2015 Says:

    I saw a short video and here is a link to the You tube video. This is a great solution in Taiwan for EV scooters. Still a 25lb swap so not ideal and not to scale for cars but I think this sorta things resolves the charging time.

  36. Sean Wagner Says:

    Lambo2015, thank you for the vid. I’d heard of Gogoro – they’ve made great progress. The swappable battery’s weight is 9kg, not 12kg / 25lb (see comments).

    They wanted to expand to Berlin. See

    It seems that was shut down towards the end of 2019. A pity, as expansion becomes far more risky without a standard.

    Electric scooters are great just for their silence. Italy will never be the same…

  37. Lambo2015 Says:

    36 Oh if they are lighter then even better. I thought they said 25lbs during the video but I’ve watched a few of them. I’d consider a EV motorcycle if those recharge stations were available and not much more than gas fill ups.
    I would think many of these ultra small inner city cars could use the same packs. Maybe just need 4 or 6 of them. But yea a standardized replaceable battery that’s as easy to pick up and replace as a gallon of milk would be a good start.

  38. Gerrit Stuurmans Says:

    Am I missing the point Johns comments about not being able to make money on electric chargers seems to be the same problem gas stations have with selling gas low profit margins. The gas stations overcame this by selling coffee, snacks, beer, lottery tickets. If I own a gas station and didn’t want to lose business I would install electric chargers along with gas. You have the customer for a longer time in and around your store and a greater chance of selling them something.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Battery swapping for scooters is a great idea, as are electric scooters in general. I’m sure it’s a lot different now, but when I was in Shanghai in 1994, the air was awful with blue haze, probably mostly from the millions of two stroke mopeds and scooters. I suspect the two strokes are mostly gone, but large numbers of uncontrolled small four strokes are not good for air quality. Electric scooter will be a great solution for places with large numbers of small scooters.

    It would be great if multiple scooter companies could agree on standardization of batteries, but that might be a tall order. Car companies can’t seriously standardize 12 volt lead-acid car batteries. You’d think car companies could agree on a lot fewer then 50 or 60 different sizes/configurations for a simple car battery, but checking a list of battery types on the Advance parts site, they haven’t.

  40. Donald LaCombe Says:

    The real issue is WHY electric! If it’s global warming you are pulling the wrong chain with electric cars. Only 40% of petroleum fuel usage is passenger cars. 60% is commercial fleets with mostly trucks. Hydrogen looks like a far better solution as electric line haul tractors are not practical. Trucking companies make money moving freight not parking being recharged! Commercial routes are also typically prescribed so a fueling infrastructure is far less complex.

  41. Alex Carazan Says:

    EV CHARGING: John your missing a much bigger issue with EV’s. Business 101 is to create products and services the AMERICAN CONSUMERS actually want! Think logically. Current EV sales are only 2.5% in the U.S. Why so low? EV’s have been available for a decade. Even if there were expensive fast charge stations across the USA, consumers DON’T want to wait 20 min or 45 min to charge!! You assume they do. No they do not. Charge availability is just one issue for EV’s. The other issues are high price, lower range, long charge times, dealing daily with charge cords, and now battery fire risk/fear. So then the bigger question should be is why are so many Auto Maker Execs making these huge investments and why are they begging for federal regulations and subsidies? The answer might surprise you. Or it might not! The key is to follow the $$$$.