AD #3185 – Stellantis May Use Foxconn’s EV Platforms; XPeng Developing VTOLs; Google Maps Displays Efficient Routes

October 19th, 2021 at 11:46am

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Runtime: 8:15

0:07 Stellantis Could Use Foxconn’s EV Platforms
0:57 Stellantis Forms Battery JV with Samsung
1:19 Stellantis Starting Partnership for European Charging Network
2:21 Volvo App Helps Get More EV Range
2:51 Google Maps Will Display Efficient Routes
3:33 BMW Shows Electric Police Scooter
4:11 Toyota Cuts Production Again
4:38 XPeng Raises Money to Develop VTOLs
5:42 Prize Money Will Up Competition at AV Race

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25 Comments to “AD #3185 – Stellantis May Use Foxconn’s EV Platforms; XPeng Developing VTOLs; Google Maps Displays Efficient Routes”

  1. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I don’t think we’ll see VTOL’s (flying cars) until autonomous cars have been mastered. These vehicles will need to be ‘corralled’ electronically to avoid contact. “Fender-bender” takes on a whole new definition at altitude. It seems that at least they’ve got the technology to get these things in the air; I remember when I was around 16 y/o seeing in “Popular Mechanics” ads touting the arrival (ground floor opportunities as they were looking for investors) for these flying cars (I’m 70 y/o now so I’m glad I did buy into their claims).

  2. wmb Says:

    It makes no since to me that Stellantis is so far behind other OEMs on BEV. I mean didn’t they announce a EV muscle car reveal recently? Didn’t they just give 10 million dollars to each of their brands to pump life into each and no one thought about development of a BEV?! Wait a minute, wasn’t there a report here on Autoline that Stellantis had in development three or four platforms for the EV interests? Two for small and medium vehicles, another for full size and another for work trucks/vehicles, right? What happened with those plans, so that now they have to farm the work out to a supplier/third party?

  3. WineGeek Says:

    I keep hearing about the chip shortage day after day… What I don’t hear is a plan to alleviate the chip shortage. Is everyone waiting for the factory in Taiwan to restart at full production? There was a story that Intel was going to start making chips in the US. What happened to that plan?

    Why not an AAH talk about chip solutions and upcoming potential long term solutions. There must be a lot of long term planning underway as well as some shovels in the ground that point to a possible correction to this mess.

    I’ve never seen such a disaster with so few solutions offered. Come on auto entrepreneurs lets get moving forget about IPOs for EV manufacturers that will never make anything because the market will be saturated How about an IPO for a new chip manufacturer in the heartland to build chip so we can be building cars again.

  4. Tom Cain Says:

    Still can’t get any response on how to watch the Indy Autonomous Challenge.

  5. XA351GT Says:

    A video I saw perfectly depicts why most people have EV anxiety. The guy shows a small EV back hoe. Says it works great and is as good as the diesel version for the 2 HOURS of run time. then takes 8 HOURS to fully charge using a very lkarge diesel generator. Seeing that it has to make one ask if we have to use diesel anyway why not just use the diesel back hoe and finish the job in less time than it takes to recharge the EV one. For many EV cars will be the same issue. If they are doing long extended driving the travel time will be longer to charge the vehicle than to just drive the distance on gas. I think that was explained with Ford taking the Mach E around the country to repeat what was done over a 100 years ago and the trip takes longer now than then. That makes zero sense to most rational thinking people .

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    5 I totally agree and firmly believe that this EV transition is about to be one of the biggest flops we’ve ever seen. BEVs, no doubt have their place and will work for many people for certain applications. That’s great and all and those products should be made and available for the uses that make sense. For people who can charge at home stay within the range and have access to an ICE for trips or towing an EV can fill that gap. The “experts” that think EVs are going to replace the ICE completely are just fooling themselves.
    Time is money for most any corporation and if recharging takes up 1/4 the day an EV will not make a good business plan. So they cannot replace the ICE 100% without some serious improvements in battery and charging.
    They need to be looking at EV sales as a percentage of total sales and not 100%. I’m not sure what the breakdown would be but if the price was equal or even better on an EV I think the take rate would be maybe 50%.

  7. Wim van Acker Says:

    @3: auto entrepreneurs cannot solve this themselves because we have structural shortcomings in our work force. Those are a result of the choices we have made for our education system:
    1 we have a high school system which keeps students in general education until they are 18 years of age;
    2 in high school math and sciences are less important than they are overseas. This is illustrated by us scoring between 45th and 50th position in international math and science competitions for teenage kids.
    3 Other countries have a part of the teenage population getting trained in trade skills.
    4 In Western Europe 30% of college students are in math and engineering, in India and China 60-80%. In the U.S.: 6%.

    1 Through 4 lead to a U.S. workforce skilled in English, social sciences, communication and business administration. Other countries with more appreciation for skilled trades and engineering (Western Europe, India, China, Japan) are therefore the “makers” in the world nowadays.

    If we want to produce here we need to get an education system more focused on trades and engineering. You cannot just invest yourself into a production role; you need to have the skilled workforce, too.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    I really don’t understand the mad dash to VTOLs. Where do they really expect these things to be used? They are extremely loud and I’m guessing will still be very expensive. Due to the noise I would imagine many cities will ban them after hours if not completely. So where does that leave them for use? Sightseeing tours? You going to have dozens of these things flying around the Grand Canyon, Hoover Dam, Niagara falls? I think Homeland security will probably prevent them from being flown around high risk things like the Hoover Dam. But still do they really think there will be a huge market for these VTOLs?

  9. Wim van Acker Says:

    @6: I am with you. My wife has an electric vehicle and that works fine for her: working in the Detroit Metro Area with 20-80 miles of daily driving, and a charger at home. With a daughter in Chicago and car trips to Vermont, Virginia and Northern Michigan we have a diesel-powered vehicle for long-distance trips.

    If energy density of batteries would double it would become a different situation.

  10. Kevin A Says:

    #3. I understood that the cheap, simple chips that are in short supply are the ones made on ‘old generation’ chip fabrication equipment. They are cheap because the old equipment can’t make more complex and valuable chips and has no other use. Unfortunately there is no way to make ‘old’ chips on new equipment without redesigning them and no way to get more ‘old’ equipment. Nobody is willing to invest to build new obsolete chip equipment. Until OEMs are willing to pay more for redesigned simple chips, the problem will only gradually disappear. I don’t have any special knowledge of chip fabrication, but this scenario certainly explains why itt is taking so long.

  11. Kevin A Says:

    I think Stellantis is wise to let others invest in battery and EV assembly designs and factories. If the ‘final’ EV technology is much different from the existing primitive EVs, it may cost the early EV factory builders a fortune to retool.

  12. Ukendoit Says:

    The average US commute is 16 miles, so while EVs might not be ready for everyone yet, or every trip (cross country), they should be able to cover the majority of the daily traffic needs on the road today as long as the owner can charge at home or work.
    Our parking deck at work (our large regional hospital) has just designated several parking spots on each level of the parking tower to EV only, and these all have electrical access. I understand the apprehension people have with EVs, but as technology improves, mileage improves, and more charging is available, it will be the way forward.

  13. XA351GT Says:

    @ # !2 I agree, There is a ass for every seat as they say. I just don’t know why they can’t co-exist. To completely ban ICE as they are threatening seems short sighted. Especially since the tech hasn’t caught up with every need. until it does you should have the option of choice to what best fits your needs. I read that ICE is 99% more eco -friendly than it was 50 years ago . So why the rush to dump it . Unless governments know something we don’t like that crude is running out.

  14. Bob Wilson Says:

    Tesla has a delivery backlog to April 2022. So how many ICE cars are in dealer inventory for how long?

    These first generation EVs suffer from a lot of lazy legacy design flaws. They don’t efficiently use their space nor efficient drivetrains. The next generation should be ‘less bad’ once the old guard engineers retire or move on. The real killer is fossil fuel cost and outages.

    It cost $2.75/100 mi around town and $3.50/100 mi cross country. Break a pipeline and the 1970s lines instantly form. The cheap easy gas is already burned up.

    So our family is EV set and the TSLA stock bought at $60 closed about $865 today. Sitting in the catbird seat.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 The Corvette I ordered in September of 2020 was just built last week, and the backlog for Corvettes is still about a year. Yeah, not all ICE cars have backlogs that long.

  16. Rey Says:

    #14 Bob , You make too much sense, Electrek and Teslarati and Cleantechnica are better websites for greenies and BEV followers, over in AD is for the old guard.

  17. Rey Says:

    #14 Bob , You make too much sense, Electrek and Teslarati and Cleantechnica are better websites for greenies and BEV followers, over in AD is for the old guard.

  18. Rey Says:

    Sean, Samsungs battery division is to my knowledge is SDI, SKI innovation is another battery company, and is the one sellected by Ford going forward for its EV, the 150 Lightning,and as you know LG sued SKI and got a settlement of almost US 2 billion.

  19. Lambo2015 Says:

    14 Yes Tesla has a 6 month backlog for one vehicles it makes. With a combined sales of all its vehicles just over 500K. Meanwhile GM sells 8-10 million cars a year and also has one model that has over a year long wait. Doesn’t mean anything other than poor planning to meet demand, or circumstances that were out of their control. The chip shortage caused GMs backlog but Tesla claims to not be affected so must have been poor planning to meet demand.

  20. Lambo2015 Says:

    16-17 Obviously then there is a difference from making sense and having common sense. Lots of folks are eager to jump on the next new cause and going green is a popular one. Humans have a bad habit of following the herd and so if everyone is doing it, it must be the right thing. Let others do the research or ask the hard questions or assume they did and just follow along. When a product comes along that is an improvement in our way of life it does make sense to head that direction. However history has shown often times we look at the immediate improvement and not the long term affects when we make such a shift. Everyone thought Asbestos was a great product for hundreds of years. Using Radium in watches to glow in the dark. Including “Green” ideas that turned out to not be so much like land reclamation projects, The florescent bulbs that would catch fire, Bio-fuels is another great example creating more carbon emissions and negatively affecting crop prices. Nuclear power seemed great with no emissions but steam, until they had to get rid of spent fuel rods. Many of the first Hybrids got worse mileage overall than their plain ICE counterparts.

    So EVs should be an improvement and they do lower tailpipe emissions by redistributing them to the local power plants. Which can or cannot be an improvement. Batteries can be recycled to some extent and who knows how many times. Yet to be seen the affect of them. But even more importantly is how does an EV make my life better? I’m going to spend more to buy, I’m going to spend more time recharging, I have less range, I have less places to recharge. The single and only benefit to me as a consumer is assuming I’m doing something to help the environment that is really not fully proven. So maybe old guard (whatever that means) or maybe I just like to make sure that what I’m buying actually is an improvement and not just the next new fad.

  21. Ukendoit Says:

    Lambo, for me it is less about being green; that’s just the icing on the cake. I have not yet bought any EV, but weighing the benefits makes it very promising in my case. My commute is 6 miles, so my only hesitation is long roadtrips. The convenience of never getting gas again (just plug at home or work), low maintenance (no more oil change places or crawling under and getting dirty myself), and even the price (with incentives from Feds, State, and electric company), and that instant torque (performance).
    I would keep my truck for towing our trailer and probably use it for long trips, but I’ve done the homework and it definitely makes sense for me.
    I agree about not banning ICEs, and being a car guy, I’ll probably always have one as a toy, but my daily driver will probably switch propulsion in the next year or two.
    Seems to me, EVs started getting better acceptance after the manufacturers realized they should boast the performance, reliability, and ease of maintaining rather than going after the small segment of “greenies”.

  22. Rey Says:

    #20 lambo, common sense is not to common with GM , or is it not doing enough due diligence, like who Trevor Milton is , or is it because acouple of Ex GM execs pulled the wool over Mary Barras eyes?Electric is the way to go, beyond 3 yearsit beats ICE in TCO according to many people who do their research, and that is for Tesla ,VWs cheaper id series with their still available $7500 US federal tax grant if buyer is qualified is even cheaper.
    Tesla is growing 50% YOY in virtually all markets, maybe alittle research can help you, Inside Evs has the unbiased numbers, or just ask these guys who run AD,like John McElroy. Im sure they wont lie.

  23. Lambo2015 Says:

    21 Totally agree with that and I too will likely own one in the future but it will be in conjunction with still owning an ICE.
    My point was it has to make sense and for a very large % of Americans a BEV just doesn’t offer more bang for the buck. In fact just the opposite. Your going to pay more for less, with the only benefit being “good for the environment” and I’m not 100% convinced that they are, long term. So folks like Rey can think we are relics, reluctant to change or just ingrained with ICE servitude. Like its in our DNA and are blind to the BEV greatness.

    Early adaptors are needed in any new tech. Folks willing to spend the money before the advantage of volume brings the price down. Willing to take some risk on an early new tech and that allows time for building an infrastructure working out the kinks. So I’m glad people are excited and willing to buy the first and second rounds of BEVs. That’s just not for me. I don’t have this need to be first when a new tech hits. But I am thankful for those that do.

  24. Lambo2015 Says:

    22 Never said EVs don’t have a place in the future. In fact I believe they certainly do. Just not as a 100% replacement to ICEs. They have their place and uses and can be very good within those uses. Not saying in 5, 10 or 20 years that wont change dramatically as one battery breakthrough could change everything. I’m just saying as of today BEVs will work great for a percentage of all drivers. Others it wont and banning ICEs will just create more problems than it solves.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 The benefit of EVs, at least as commuters who can charge at home, more that just the potential environmental benefits. They don’t need oil changes or trips to gas stations, brakes last about forever, and EVs just drive well. Long-term operating cost will depend on the not-yet-known lifetime of batteries when they get old, in years.