AD #3237 – GM Launching Used Vehicle Platform; China Sees 1st Sale Increase Since 2017; NACTOY Winners Revealed

January 12th, 2022 at 11:43am

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Runtime: 7:39

0:07 ATP Hits Record in December
0:39 GM Launching Used Vehicle Shopping Platform
1:28 China Sees 1st Sales Increase Since 2017
2:10 VW EV Sales Up
3:24 NACTOY Winners Revealed
4:21 Lexus Shows Off-Road Tuned LX
4:57 Citroen Refreshes the C5 Aircross
5:41 ZF Supplying ADAS Tech to VinFast
6:34 Bosch Adding Connectivity to eBikes

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25 Comments to “AD #3237 – GM Launching Used Vehicle Platform; China Sees 1st Sale Increase Since 2017; NACTOY Winners Revealed”

  1. S65AMG Says:

    1. Re prices ‘continuing to climb”, and at really high levels even excluding luxury cars. Part of this is due to a trend that many, many, strictly speaking non-luxury vehicles command stratospheric prices. For example, loaded pickup trucks, large SUVs, even some supercars costing 200 and 400k are not at all ‘luxury’ in their interiors. So it’s better to use price segments than terms like ‘luxury’ where every other guy has a different definition. But the other part, that many here still do not get, is the rampant inflation in recent months, and the slow creep of inflation the last 40 or so years, which makes cars in 2022 priced 5 times as much as they were in 1982. Admittedly the 2022 are far superior in tech and power, but still, most people are not enthusiasts and don’t care.

    2. Re your COTY award. You cite a lot of positives about these awards, but you fail to mention they include o n l y the vehicles whose makers gave you a free copy to test around. Because of this constraint, you missed monumental home runs as both the Model S and the Model 3. Other auto magazines and TV shows were able to find the above vehicles to test, usually offered by their owners, and after testing them, they did give them the COTY crowns. Motor Trend comes to mind, correctly naming the Model S COTY in 2013.

    3. Above reservations aside, I am quite pleased with two of the three awards. The Ford Maverick pickup, regardless what the usual never satisfied nitpickers here will say, has most deservedly won the award. It has an amazingly affordable price, even in hybrid form, 10,000s below the average vehicle price, and is still a whole lot of truck (which is an asset, not a liability), plus it gets stellar MPG in the $27k hybrid form. The Bronco is a silly exercise, an ugly competitor to Jeep, regardless how many buyers with bad taste initially buy them. The Civic is the greatest compact car, used to be a subcompact but now it is far bigger than the original Accord, let alone the tiny Civics of the past. I don’t like the extgerior styling of recent Civics, and the interiors have not become more luxurious with each larger model, but still it offers great fun and mpg at still affordable prices, with very good reliability. Why buy a boring, ugly Corolla instead?

  2. wmb Says:

    Good NACOTY awards for Ford! I really believed that the BEVs may have taken a clean sweep. Maybe Ford’s wins may encourage GM to get into the unibody pick-up and Bronco type vehicles, here in the US.

    I understand that the Lexus LX in the story is concept, but, IMHO, they should just stay where they are in the market with that vehicle. Let the Sequoia and Land Cruiser go knuckles deep with the real off roading stuff, while they continue with the Land Rover Ranger Rover alternative motif that the got going. I don’t think anyone driving an LX is going that far off the pavement, so it seems a little silly to go that route. Truth be told, I do not believe owners of the new Wagoner and GW will find themselves too far off in the rough, even though their vehicle has the street cred to do it!

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I look forward to hearing what jurors John and Gary have to say about the vehicles they evaluated for the NACTOY awards. Everyone has raved about the wonderfulness of the Lucid Air, but with “value” being one of the judging guidelines, the Lucid appears to have lost a lot of points.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1 I’m pretty sure the Land Cruiser has been dropped from the US market. It’s price was too close to the Lexus version, and as you say, no one drives these off road anyway, no matter how capable they might be. Heck, very few people even drive Wranglers very far off road.

  5. S65AMG Says:

    Re the 2021 calendar year US vehicle sales and its comparison to prior years. I strongly recommend you show the market share of each maker, and, more importantly, how it has gone up or down the last 10 years or so. I have detailed stats at my home computer, and plot a square with 1000 little squares inside, each 0.1% of market share. Only comparing 2021 to 2020, 2019, 2017 etc will you truly appreciate the strong and continuous growth of Tesla, which is still the only serious EV game in town, and, more importantly, at whose expense these gains have come. Hint: At the expense of the onetime big 3, and especially GM, which keeps losing market share for decades, like a leaky jar. Ford’s decision to go all trucks, despite the higher gas prices (but still far lower than the 2008 $4.50 peak, which, in 2022 dollars is more like $7.50!), has worked fine so far, and Ford was rewarded by getting 2 out of 3 COTY awards, plus a ton of other awards for the new Maverick. GM, on the other hand, is flailing, Mary Barra has been a huge disappointment so far, as one would expect with CEOS that are not appointed based on their Merit but on other, irrelevant considerations.

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    As the ATP continues to rise I wonder if in the near future we wont see a rise in repossessions. Since many banks will provide a bank loan to just about anyone and these huge increases are going to cause people to pay so much over value. When things finally normalize and price comes down they’ll realize they owe way more than its worth. If they want to trade up they’ll have to roll in thousands into their new loan. I really expect this have some long term affects 3-5 years from now.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4 Do banks, or “in house” loan organizations lend 30% over MSRP? If so, these loans could be 50% under water after production returns to normal, and used car prices return to normal.

  8. Fensterlips Says:

    That few people go off-road with the LX or Land Cruiser misses the point. This observation would probably apply to most 4×4 pickups too.
    People buy a rugged body on frame SUV because it CAN go off-road with the best of them, not because there are any plans to do so.
    There is a certain cache in tough, rugged, body on frame 4×4 SUVs and trucks that speaks to an appreciation of their capabilities and a desire to make sure that ability is in their “back pocket”. Just in case.

  9. Bob Wilson Says:

    In light of new car prices, in 2019 I paid $41,000 for a Tesla Model 3 with extra for AutoPilot and Blue paint. After trading in a 2017 Prius Prime, my out of pocket was $24,000.

    The 25 mi EV mode, 2017 Prius Prime was not being used because our 72 mi EV, 2014 BMW i3-REx was more affordable. Worse, the Toyota control laws ran the Prime gas engine when the temperature dropped to 55 F.

    Regardless, like all who bought cars before this year, we’re sitting in the ‘cat bird seat.’ My sympathies to those who face today’s prices.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 I hadn’t thought of that, but I guess the only cabin heat of the Prime is the regular heater using the engine coolant.

    I did well with my Corvette, which I ordered in September 2020, and took delivery in October 2021. I paid MSRP plus tax, but with zero bogus $1000+ dealer add ons for “documentation” and other such stuff, like all Toyota dealers seem to charge, even in normal times.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 Yeah, people buy macho trucks because they like the looks of them, and because they CAN go off-road. I buy sports cars because I like they way they look and drive, and because they CAN go very fast, even though my Corvette has yet to see triple digit speeds.

  12. John McElroy Says:

    #2. Kit, another reason why the Lucid Air didn’t score better is that most of the Canadians on the jury were not able to travel to the US because of Covid restrictions. And they weren’t going to vote for a car that they had not driven. That doesn’t mean the Lucid Air would have won the award if they had been able to travel, but it almost certainly would have scored higher than it did.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 Thanks, John, for that info.

  14. Rey Says:

    Tomorrow’s AH show will be about Dealers. Today Sandy Munro has a special guest in Munro Live, they talk about Automotive history,@ 27:00 timestamp in the video they talk of where the dealers future might be headed to,listen to all of the video,very interesting things are about to happen , and towards the end Sandy shows one of the First Chinese mass market BEVs to land in the USA,, a brand nobody has probably never heard of,, I believe they do have a dealer in Quebec.If they can deliver this EV car for $40,000- $45,000 legacy auto is screwed.

  15. Rey Says:

    #10 John McElroy, speaking of BEVs and Canadians ,Sandy Munro has an Imperium EV and will tear it down, and he bought it in the LA Autoshow, imported via Canada, please go and see his video of today, especially pertaining to tomorrow’s show about the Dealers , very interesting topic about the past and into tomorrow.

  16. Merv Peters Says:

    #9 Kit, no triple digits yet? You need to get that looked after asap

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 Yeah, I know.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 Bob Wilson, if you see this. Did the Prius Prime always run the gas engine when below 55 degrees, even with the HVAC turned off?

  19. Bob Wilson Says:

    16 – Even with HVAC off, it would start the ICE below 55 F. It was infuriating! Above 55 F, there were obscure conditions that could trigger ICE operation. In contrast, the BMW i3-REx never started the ICE until the battery SOC was low enough.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 Thanks for info. I’m a little surprised that the Prius Prime would do that, but I guess it’s basically a regular hybrid with a bigger battery, while the i3 REx is basically an EV, but with the gas engine generator to keep it going after the battery is low. I knew the Prime would always start the ICE, like many plug-in hybrids, if you use much throttle, because the electric power is limited, but I wouldn’t have expected it to run the engine under light throttle until the battery is low.

  21. Bob Wilson Says:

    18 – The Prime was ‘good news’ and ‘bad news.’ On the good, it has a one-way clutch that means both MG1 and MG2 can be used for forward motion. Reverse is exclusive to MG2. It also had relatively light weight since there are no clutches or torque converter.

    Bad news, it occupies about 1/3d of the engine compartment. It is sized for full ICE power over 90 mph versus the BMW i3-REx and generator that only handles the power needed for 70 mph.

  22. Bob Wilson Says:

    EVs have pushed manufacturers to more linear integration (see web link.) EV parts are not (or poorly) off the shelf.

    We see this in the EV efficiency numbers of many traditional makers that are more modest than cutting edge.

  23. Sean Wagner Says:

    The i3 is such a quirky car in every way – I’m sad that production ended last year.

    Come to think of it, a (green) hydrogen powered Wankel range-extender would have been a great replacement for its tiny, inefficient two-cylinder engine, and fully in synch with the car’s offbeat character.

    Mazda might have appreciated a partner – and BMW already is in cahoots with the Toyota Motor Corporation by leveraging their inline six.

  24. Sean Wagner Says:

    Oops – I meant allowing Toyota to buy BMW’s six for use in the Supra. Apologies for any ruffled feathers!

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I was hoping there’d be a 2nd generation i3, still a little quirky, but with more electric range. The used what they had for the range extender, the engine used in the BMW C 650 scooter. Yeah, a Wankel, being light and compact would be great for a range extender, and they are apparently efficient when fueled with hydrogen, if you can get the hydrogen.

    I see that the big BMW scooters have been discontinued, at least in the US market. There seem to be no big scooters left. I think they are great, having a Honda SilverWing 600 for about 17 years, but apparently few people want big scooters.