AD #3357 – China Getting GM ‘Halo’ Vehicles; New Green NCAP Test Harder for ICEs; Used Car Market Slumps

June 30th, 2022 at 11:51am

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Runtime: 9:08

0:07 EU Makes 2035 ICE Ban Official
0:40 China Getting GM ‘Halo’ Vehicles
1:25 Apple CarPlay Adds Fuel Purchases
2:51 New Green NCAP Test Harder for ICEs
3:52 BMW Kicks Off Share Buyback
4:25 Mercedes Starts EV Plant Transformation
6:07 Lithium Producers Oppose California Tax Proposal
7:19 Soaring Prices Drive Consumers from Used Cars
8:10 Material Inflation Having Big Impact on Automakers

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31 Comments to “AD #3357 – China Getting GM ‘Halo’ Vehicles; New Green NCAP Test Harder for ICEs; Used Car Market Slumps”

  1. Albemarle Says:

    When we looked at a Hyundai Tucson hybrid, we were told than it had a lithium ion 12v battery and we had to start the car every 2 weeks to keep it charged. We couldn’t use a battery tender. We travel sometimes for several months and leave the car garaged. What’s the solution to this problem as lead acid batteries get phased out? Needless to say, we didn’t buy the Tucson.

  2. Bob Petrach Says:

    #1 there are solar battery tenders from as low as about $15 for a 1.5 W from Harbor Freight, even 10W on Amazon for < $30. Just put on I/P or under backlight.

  3. MJB Says:

    Well Sean I, for one, will be doing just as that Cox Automotive study suggested – wrenching on my existing ride to keep it going another few years or until prices come back down. Fortunately, my particular car is not one that needs a lot of tlc.

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    Just going to say now that EU will revise that ICE ban before 2035. Also watch what happens to their used car market around that time.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    The “new” GM premium Import business unit sounded like a plan for GM to start selling factory direct and most likely online. Yeah they spun it sound like its a way to get vehicles not already offered but sounds like a pilot program to work out the online sales model. I could be wrong.

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    Way back when I drove a dump truck and could haul 15-20 ton. Man what I would give for a truck load of lithium. Little over a mil per load. Seems that battery price drop they were predicting neglected the raw material price increase.


    Put me also in that boat of people that are repairing the vehicle rather than replacing. I typically replace my car every 3/4 years. This current ford Fusion Hybrid I will keep for the long haul. There is no real reason to replace it. To date my repair on the Fusion has been oil changes. That is it.

  8. GM Veteran Says:

    I guess we will have to wait for more information on how GM goes to market in China with these specialty vehicles. I can’t see them changing the brand since vehicles like Escalade and Corvette are very well known all over the world.

    Sounds to me like GM will set up a specialty vehicle distribution unit and grant dealer agreements to the best GM dealers in the cities where GM wants them located. The new business unit gives them complete control and 100% of the profits. They don’t have to have a joint-venture Chinese partner, especially since the vehicles won’t be produced in China, at least not yet.

    Any consumer buying a Corvette will expect to be able to get it serviced at a Chevrolet dealership, ditto for Escalade at a Cadillac dealership. I don’t see GM setting up an entirely new dealership network for these vehicles. There isn’t enough volume and it would only create consumer confusion.

  9. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, Do you have any information on the change in the number of used cars imported from Canada to the US? At the Sarnia-Port Huron crossing, not a single day goes by without at least one carrier of used pickups and SUVs going to the US. Some days, I’ve seen as many as 10 cross. This seems to have been going on for the last few years but has intensified lately.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1 The lead-acid 12 volt battery in Toyota hybrids like I have has residual drain when the car is parked, and gets charged via a DC-DC converter from the big battery, but only when the car is driven. Yeah, with the lead-acid battery, you can use a tender, but I just disconnect the 12v battery if I’m going to park the car for more than a couple weeks. You could, presumably, do that with the Hyundai.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    There are a lot of used cars at the dealers near me, but no new cars. I’d think prices of used cars should decrease, since there is lots of inventory.

  12. Wim van Acker Says:

    @8 since the Cadillac Escalade is mostly built with common GM components, a Chevrolet dealership shop can take care of the maintenance from a technical standpoint. For the “premium experience” a different entrance and shop front and shop reception may be needed but as far as I know there is nothing special to changing oil and filters, rotate tires, etc. on a Cadillac Escalade.

  13. Norm T Says:

    1) “…Although the accessory/starter battery “partition” is adjacent to the main 1.62-kwh hybrid battery, they’re fully independent. If the car’s been parked for a long time and you realize that the accessory battery is dead, you can simply press the “12V Batt Reset” button, which gives a jumper-cable-like boost of current to the smaller battery, which is almost certainly not dead as it’s reserved for the powertrain….” greencarreports

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Interesting. They would need to remove all load from the 12v “partition” when the voltage drops to ~3.7 volts/cell, or the battery would be destroyed. With the Hyundai, do you use a mechanical key to get in the car to press the “Batt Reset” button, when needed?

  15. XA351GT Says:

    This whole ICE ban is very short sighted. It will mean people will keep less efficient vehicles long after the ban instead of getting better emission vehicles which happens year after year. I guess the ultimate play will be to ban new ICE vehicles and then begin to age out older vehicles forcing people into EVs that can’t meet their needs or pocketbooks. Meanwhile those governments will still shuttled around in huge gas guzzlers like our own government is doing right now. look at what biden is shuttled everywhere in and the entourage that travels with I doubt there is a EV among them. Again it is rules for thee and not for me.

  16. Wim van Acker Says:

    @15: “Again it is rules for thee and not for me.”. No, it is called understanding the big picture.

    Most U.S. Presidents since President Nixon have tried to improve the environment through their policies. Does that mean that they have to swim to meetings in South Korea and Japan and walk to Camp David? Let’s be smart here, not petty.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 I suspect there will be “reality checks” on the bans of ICErs, if it becomes clear that there aren’t raw materials to build enough EVs, charging infrastructure isn’t available, etc.

    As far as older cars, Japan has had, and maybe still has “forced retirement” of older cars. I don’t know if they are scrapped, or maybe more likely, exported to places like India with much lower per capita wealth than Japan.

    I would hope that, at some point, there would be better mass transit in American cities, so fewer cars would be needed in places where cars don’t work very well anyway. Most cities in the EU already have decent transit, but it could be better.

  18. Wim van Acker Says:

    @17 In Western Europe “forced retirement” in cities has been practiced for years. My sister and her husband have had to phase out several of their diesel-powered vehicles because it became impractical to not be allowed in the city when you live a quarter mile from the Amsterdam city limit and the cameras catch you each time.

  19. Lambo2015 Says:

    15-16 Personally I like a leadership that leads by example. Hard to expect people to come in early, stay late if management wont. Which is why I think the 482 Million allocated to develop the next ICE postal vehicle which has yet to determine a price per vehicle created so much heartburn. We are all being pushed to go electric in the next 8 years yet the postal service is awarding a contract to make ICE mail trucks for the next 10 years. Doesn’t seem petty just foolish like pretty much everything this administration does. Being led by feelings and dreams and rainbows rather than data and common sense.

  20. merv Says:

    Ive been keeping my cars longer than in the past. They seem to require less upkeep,are more reliable,plus the paint finishes interior etc stay nicer.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15,16 No head of state rides bicycles to events, not even in enviromentally conscious countries like Norway. No US president can “set an example” regarding some things.

    As far as the mail trucks, there has been a lot of poor planning over the years, and corrupt crook DeJoy took full advantage in fast tracking the new, ugly gas hogs.

  22. Lambo2015 Says:

    16 It was made pretty clear that way to many in Gov make rules for thee and do not expect them to apply to them. If Covid did anything at all it proved that on a grand scale. While politicians were bankrupting small businesses and shuttering plants and factories. Limited gathering of groups and let people die in hospitals alone. They would have large private parties with no masks and get there hair done like Pelosie. So its pretty obvious that is their mode of operation. To many examples to list.

  23. Wim van Acker Says:

    @19 post your incoherent political babbling somewhere else, clown

  24. Lambo2015 Says:

    23 Typical clown response when its something you don’t agree with. Rather than providing some actual substance to prove me wrong just resort to name calling. LOL Continue to live in your dream world.

  25. Lambo2015 Says:

    24 -Cont Unless they didn’t actually award Osh-Kosh 482 Million for an ICE mail truck. But I believe a simple google search you’ll be faced with facts and not political babbling.

  26. JoeS Says:

    I’ve always repaired my vehicles rather that replace them. My last two trucks I kept for 12 years each. One my son needed so I gave it to him and the other one lived a hard life under my right foot. My wife is close to that number at six years (daughter needed that one) and 10 years. I still do almost all the maintenance on them myself.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24,25 Trump’s hand picked Postmaster General, selected to slow down the mail, is largely responsible for fast tracking purchase of the Oshkosh mail trucks. His name is Louis DeJoy.

  28. Lambo2015 Says:

    27 Selected to slow down the mail? Was that part of his job description?

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 That is part of why he got the job.

  30. Marshy Says:

    Just catching up here…for what it’s worth, AGM has been around quite a while. My 90 NA came with one from the Mazda factory.

  31. Marshy Says:

    Oh, and they are stupid expensive, asking a premium of about 40-60% of the same capacity wet cell.