AD #3372 – North America Carries Stellantis; New Colorado Drops V6 & Diesel; Simple Solution for Home Charging

July 28th, 2022 at 11:57am

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Runtime: 11:33

0:07 Cap on EV Tax Credit Could be Lifted
1:04 Rivian Cutting 6% of Workforce
1:50 U.S. Senate Passes Bill to Help Chip Production
2:51 Apple Poaches Another Auto Exec
4:20 North America Carries Stellantis
5:16 Rivian Drags Down Ford
6:08 VW Shows VTOL for China
8:16 New Colorado Drops V6 & Diesel
9:54 Hyundai/Kia Thefts on the Rise
10:19 Simple Solution for Home Charging

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26 Comments to “AD #3372 – North America Carries Stellantis; New Colorado Drops V6 & Diesel; Simple Solution for Home Charging”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    1) Sean you said they may extend the tax credit but never mentioned to what? Will it be until a number of vehicles sold or maybe until a particular date?

    2)Things are not looking good for Rivian and I really though of the many start ups they had pretty good odds. Maybe not.

    3)Colorado Drops the Diesel and V6.. You state towing capacity is 7700lbs, what was it before? I wonder how hot that exhaust gets towing 7700 lbs.

  2. Stu Says:

    That connector for home charging looks like a good idea, as long as your meter is somewhere close to where you park. I think every house I’ve lived in has had the meter on the opposite side of the house from the garage, meaning it would still require a lot of work to run the wires. It is a neat idea, though.

  3. GM Veteran Says:

    @1 With big name investors, $17 billion in cash and already working on a second assembly plant, I’m not too worried about Rivian making it. But I agree with Sean. The layoffs are a head scratcher and I’m sure there is more to this story that hasn’t come out yet.

  4. GM Veteran Says:

    The Tesla loyalty number is highly suspect. Perhaps it was a very small sample size? Why would so many Model 3 owners decide to buy another one? Were many of them trading in their existing Model 3? If not, it would seem that many of them would buy a Model Y. Why have two sedans? I think this was a “tease story” to get us all to watch AAH later today!

  5. Lex Says:

    Will Chinese Built BEV’s qualify for these $7,500.00 tax credits? The Biden Administrations has said it is Pro Unions, so will Non-Union built BEV’s be excluded from the tax credit? I guest we will have to wait and see the final legislation once it is approved by Congress.

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    4 Yeah I was wondering the same thing. A company like Ferrari that requires you to have been a previous owner to even buy certain models, I would think has to have pretty high customer loyalty.
    Either way the volume involved paints the full picture. (which wasn’t provided) If only a 100 Tesla owners traded in their older one for a new one while most others are still very new owners the loyalty will be high. Start moving Millions of vehicles a year, and have them out for 10-15 years then see how the loyalty ratings are.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1 According to CR’s charts, the tow rating of the current Colorado is 7000 with the V6, and 7700 with the diesel. For comparison, it’s 7500 for the Ranger with the 2.3 turbo.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 The idea of EVs needing to be union built for the tax credit didn’t get very far. With that stipulation, Lightning and Bolt would probably be the only ones that would qualify.

  9. XA351GT Says:

    That simple solution may not be that simple. Many if not most prevent you from doing anything with the meter . I looked into a device that fits behind the meter that would allow you to plug in a generator to power your house during a blackout. It has a built in switching device that would detect incoming power from the EC and prevent the generator from backfeeding the powerlines. Every Electric provider in PA bans their use. I don’t see this being a lot different.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I suspect many/most of those Model 3 buyers that bought another one did so because they had two drivers that needed to be driving at the same time, and wanted two of them. The car has changed so little since introduction, I wouldn’t think a lot of people would trade a Model 3 they had for a new one, unless they wanted the “performance” which wasn’t made early on.

    As far as buying a Model Y instead of another Model 3, the cheapest Y costs $19K more than the cheapest 3. That would make a difference to some buyers.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9 Siemens/whatever would need to sell utilities on the idea. Utilities that want to sell more electricity might go for it.

  12. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The entry level engine for the new Colorado is rated at 3500 pounds towing. The middle and H.O. engines rate the 7700 towing. The new Colorado grew slightly in overall length, I think around an inch, but I believe the weight went up, and it’s still too big for me to consider; looking for a Maverick sized Chevy. It is a sharp looking vehicle though, IMO, and the interior was nicely done as well.


    I am all for zero tax payers funding of EVs. None at all. I keep hearing that they are the future and superior to ICE vehicles. Apparently they are not if tax payers have to fund purchases endlessly to get them to sell.

  14. Wim van Acker Says:

    @13 Subsidies are meant to get new technology introduced and selling beyond critical mass.

    If you are against any subsidy: were you against the $60 billion bail out of the oil and gas industry in 2009 and the $70 billion bail out in 2020?

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12. Will they recommend or require premium gas for the higher power engines in the Colorado? If so, that would br a downer, especially if “required.” I’ll try to find out what they say re. the CT4-V with a version of that engine

  16. wmb Says:

    Rivian is cutting 6% of jobs and none of them are in manufacturing, sounds to me that they feel there are too many mid managers. Or this is where they feel they can cut and not do the most damage to the over all performance of the company. They that other OEMs and startups are grabbing many of them up, I do not think they will be out of work long, if at all!

    The new Colorado looks pretty sharp! With all the noise being made about the new Ranger, it’s ground up redesign and introduction slipped caught me by surprise.

    While the Chrysler side of Stellantis may be the bread winner for the company, IMHO, they are still leaving a lot of money on the table by not offering more SUV/CUV/Crossovers from their other North American brands, at least in the US! They would do even more business, if the Chrysler brand had had a sub compact, compact, midsize CUVs and a full size SUV. Dodge would have the sub compact, compact, the Durango and a full size SUV too! Yet, they seem content to just have Jeep with all the CUV/SUVs, while the other brand limp along with a mini van and car platforms that date back to the mid to late 90’s!

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 Would a Chrysler version of Grand Cherokee add many sales, or just take sales from Jeep? Maybe a Chrysler version of Wagoneer would be good, with styling attempting to be “elegant,” a super bargain Cullinan.

  18. Roger T Says:

    #13 – Mind that there are active subsidies for oil companies ($20bi/yr, of which $14.7bi from federal govt). I’d argue your point goes both ways, they could just as well cut those instead of giving to EVs. You and I pay for it in the end anyways, be it at the pump or at our tax bill.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 It seems that pump price of gas is still too cheap. This morning I did a “curbside pickup” at McDonald’s. The temp was mid-high 70s, about as good as it gets for windows open, but a vehicle next to me sat with the engine running for minutes. I don’t know if they were using a/c or heat, but there is no way they needed either.

  20. wmb Says:

    #17.) Honestly, I believe the a full size Chrysler Aspen or New Yorker SUV should have been the Grand Wagoneer, to go head-to-head with the Escalade, Navigator, X7, GLS, LX600 and the like. With the Jeep Wagoneer to face-off with the Yukon (with real off road, rock climbing credentials to boot) and maybe a Grand Wagoneer to do challenge Yukon Denali and Land Rover’s Discovery! Then their would be the Dodge SUV, which the could call the Ramcharger, Dakota, Voyager or New Caravan (‘mI just pulling names from Chrysler vehicles of the past, so forgive me), to go again the likes of the Expedition, Tahoe, Suburban, Sequoia and Armada. And that’s just the full size SUVs. I know that Dodge is building a sub compact CUV, but there is still room with their other brands to support sporty vehicle for Dodge and luxury vehicles for Chrysler, with no direct over lap with Jeep! Yet, it seems that neither FCA nor Stelantis are interested in these types of vehicles for those brands. That’s why I feel that they are leaving money and sells on the table, especially in the North American market, when we can’t seem to get enough of these types of vehicles.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 If Chrysler was still perceived as a near-luxury brand, as in the ’50s and ’60s when my first car was a 1957 Chrysler Saratoga, I’d definitely think the XXL Wagoneer should have been a Chrysler. The trouble is, younger people know Chrysler only as crappy Sebring sedans and decent, but not exciting minivans. In today’s world, Jeep is Stellantis’s North American brand with panache, thus Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer rather than New Yorker or Imperial.

  22. wmb Says:

    #21.) Sad, but true! I know what, Chrysler can get that old feeling back, by building a $300K, hand built, 5 door, BEV sedan, right? No…wait a minute!


    14) Modern EVs have been out now for over a decade. It is not new technology at all. It is simply expensive tech and the article states that the OEMs are predicting it will get even more expensive. The OEMs argued that this increasing cost is why they need the tax payers to continually fund it. All the USA subsidy does is incentivize the OEMs to keep doing what they are doing and pass that cost along to the tax payers. It does not incentivize them to make BEVs cheaper and that is my real problem with the credit. Europe has the better idea by weighting the credit to vehicles that are cheaper. That incentivizes the OEMs to reduce cost thereby helping adoption in the long run. The USA subsidy will hurt long term adoption but it will transfer tax payer dollars to rich people buying $80K cars. So that is something.


    14) Yes I was against the bail out for any company including GM and Chrysler that asked for bail out money.

  25. Lambo2015 Says:

    21-20 I have been very confused with the direction of Chrysler I mean its surprising they are still around with nothing more than the Pacifica and 300. Both of which are close to 20 year old designs from 2004. I think it would be best for Stellates to convert that brand to high end luxury EVs. Maybe bring back names like New Yorker, Newport, Fifth Avenue.

    But I also would like to see Dodge bring back the Caliber but designed for both powertrains. A nice 2.0L turbo ICE and EV version and let the public decide the mix. That was a nice sized 4 door hatch somewhat lifted and fits in great with the crossover segment.
    I just think it would be interesting to have a vehicle designed from the ground up to support dual powertrains and for all other aspects be the same vehicle.

  26. Lambo2015 Says:

    23 I agree with your points and would add that if they want to continue with incentives then they need to be cash in hand rebates for one. Otherwise people are still financing the entire purchase price and only get a break come tax time. Take it off the purchase price. Also I think that they need to be much more of a sliding scale to help drive cost down.
    Like the rebate could start at 8k for vehicles under 30k and drop a $1000 for every 5k increase. So if the price is 65k you get 1000 rebate and over that there isn’t one.
    Then you don’t have manufacturers just charging just under the threshold of 80k for any EV. It not only is an incentive to the buyer but for the sellers to get the prices down.

    But our government isn’t that smart. They’ll just throw money at the problem and hope it gets better.