AD #3446 – End of ICE Age Sales Frenzy; Geely’s $25,000 EV Pickup; VW’s New Type of Fuel Cell

November 10th, 2022 at 11:56am

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Runtime: 10:06

0:00 End of ICE Age Sales Frenzy
0:50 Alfa Tops JD Power Sales Satisfaction Index
1:52 Rivian’s Losses Growing
3:18 Volvo Adds Big EV SUV to Lineup
4:29 Honda Launches All-New Accord
5:32 Green Metals a Priority at Ford & Volvo
6:42 VW’s New Type of Fuel Cell
7:37 Geely’s $25,000 Pickup
8:37 Tesla Goes Zoom-Zoom-Zoom

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38 Comments to “AD #3446 – End of ICE Age Sales Frenzy; Geely’s $25,000 EV Pickup; VW’s New Type of Fuel Cell”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    “J.D. Power says buyers who special order a vehicle rather than buying what’s on the lot are a lot more satisfied”

    That is certainly the case with me. My “sales satisfaction” is much lower with Toyota than with Chevy, MINI, and Porsche, because Toyota won’t even allow me to order a car. I’ve ordered from the others, and tend to be very satisfied, even though it can take a while to get the car.

  2. JWH Says:

    Zoom calls in vehicles to participate in a meeting. What else can we do to fully distract drivers. Maybe OK if on the side of the road with vehicle in Park.

  3. George Ricci Says:

    Honda drops the ball again on the Accord. Very disappointed that there is no plug in Hybrid option.

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    Metal has always been produced using fossil free means. Fossils are mineralized remains of ancient plants and animals. Actual fossils have nothing to do with any of the fuels. The reference to Coal, NG, and Oil as fossil fuels was started in order to make them appear scarce and help drive up the price. They really need to let people know the common well-known name was made up.

  5. Mike Nassour Says:

    I’m sorry, but there is absolutely no way that Alfa will be a viable brand in the United States until it addresses its quality issues. Until then, this J D Power survey has about as much to do with its ability to stay in the US as does the quality of the food at the assembly line cafe in Milano.

  6. GM Veteran Says:

    The new Accord looks nice, inside and out. The exterior styling reminds me a lot of the last version of the Buick Regal.

  7. Phil Googin Says:

    It’s no wonder that Rivian is not selling! It is BUTT UGLY! Most wouldn’t even be seen driving the ugly duckling much less give it garage space! Phew!
    My last dealer experience was a slap in the face! Not only did I spend 5 hours at the FORD dealership where the FORD dealer was attempting to back out of an advertised deal, had my trade in sold and sold me a alleged NEW FORD vehicle that had been damaged somewhere between the factory and the FORD dealership, with no advisory. That was in 2013! I’ve not been back to any dealer much less this FORD dealership! Did I mention it was a FORD? LOL

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    If EV adoption causes an ICE frenzy that tells me they have not let free market win out, but regulated us into using a product.
    If EVs are so great everyone should want them and be able to afford them.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 There was a Clarity plug-in hybrid which has been dropped, at least in the U.S. market. Will there be a “next generation” Clarity?

  10. GM Veteran Says:

    As popular as midsize four-door pickups are in many other developing countries, its kind of amazing that they are not popular in China. Perhaps it has to do with vehicle taxes or something. Sure seems like they would be the vehicle of choice in rural areas. Perhaps reliable access to fuel is an issue, which may also be an issue with an EV pickup.

  11. WineGeek Says:

    I think Zoom calls while I’m driving my Tesla is a great idea. I can look at my sexy secretary while I’m driving at 70 on the freeway. Talk about safe driving technology I think the NHTSA will give this a 5 star rating or maybe 6 stars.

  12. GM Veteran Says:

    Rivian produced just over 7,200 vehicles last quarter. That includes the pickup and the Amazon delivery van, and maybe a few of the SUVs. For as long as that factory has been open, that is a very small quantity of vehicles produced for the capacity of the plant. Its hard to imagine that its all due to reduced availability of chips. Seems like there is more to the story. Perhaps the vehicles were engineered to be great EVs and they did not pay much attention to making them easy or efficient to build.

  13. GM Veteran Says:

    Congrats to the Alfa Romeo dealerships and field sales force for their impressive score! I am very interested to see how their vehicle initial quality scores come out.

  14. ChuckGrenci Says:

    2, Yup, hope Zoom is locked out when the vehicle is in motion.

    4, Yup again; fossil fuels just relates to when the oil was forming and is made up of mostly microorganisms, heat and time. (technically, oil is still being produced now)

    6, Confirmed; I always thought Rivian made an ugly vehicle but was reserving my judgement till when I saw one in real life. It’s still ugly, at least in my mind’s eye.

    So, this is the second electric car company having problems that were and are highly touted as being very good vehicles. While the future may still be electric, it remains murky too.

    That Geely pickup sure looks like the right size, looks attractive and is affordable, but count me out; not willing to give China anymore help taking over manufacturing.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 Maybe people in China don’t buy many pickups, because they have no need for them, but don’t just “buy them anyway” like many Americans do.

  16. Sean McElroy Says:

    I’m with ChuckGrenci on this Zoom thing. I bet it doesn’t work while the vehicle is in motion.

  17. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Phil Googin – Rivian’s issues don’t have to do with design. It has reservations, it just can build vehicles fast enough.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    14 So another EV company struggling, which to be honest isnt that surprising. I mean most everyone knew that not all these start-ups would survive and many are finding out just how difficult the auto industry is. I have seen so many battery fires in the last month too. Dewalt just had an EV mover burn up at a convention. One of the displays at SEMA caught fire and had to be pushed outside. Wonder how those Amazon vehicles are serviced if Rivian goes under? Not only ugly but I wouldnt want to buy an 80K vehicle from a company that may not be around before its warranty is expired.

    15 Maybe in China they should bring back an ElCamino type vehicle.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 El Camino type vehicles have been popular in Australia, but I don’t know if new ones are available from anyone, since Holden and Ford Australia shut down.

  20. XA351GT Says:

    Kit at 19 ,to my knowledge no one is making a 2 door unibody UTE any where. Everything even close is 4 door . I keep seeing rumors of Ford reviving the Ranchero due to the popularity of the Maverick. I’ll believe if I see it.

  21. Tom Cain Says:

    Interesting that Kraftwerk is back. Around 2015 they promoted a butane powered cell phone charger on Kickstarter. They got into a pissing contest with the band of the same name. They raised a bunch of money and then screwed over everyone that contributed. Yes, I was one of them! They currently show that charger on their website, though, I don’t see it for sale anywhere. I think I’d still buy one. Would be a great off grid backup.

  22. Norm T Says:

    Honda drops 2.0T from Accord along with no more 6-speed manual option with any engine. So the new Accord is a just a Malibu RS…

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 I you want more performance, you can still get a V6 Camry. I think the Accord manual went away for the 2022 model year.

    As with the Camry, though, the best version of the Accord is the hybrid, with similar performance to the non-hybrid 4, but about twice the city mpg. From the tests I’ve seen, the V6 Camry is only about a second quicker 0-60 than the hybrid. The Accord 2.0t was quicker than any of them, so it’s too bad they are dropping it. I suppose they didn’t sell enough of them to be worth the bother, or maybe there is a similar 2.0t Acura they can get a lot more money for.

  24. Don Sherman Says:

    Jack NEE-RAD. not ne-rod

  25. Don Sherman Says:

    Jack NEE-RAD. not ne-rod

  26. merv Says:

    24 big fan of yours for a very long time

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I guess zoom calls are ok in a Tesla, because the car drives itself. At one time I was a likely Tesla customer for when and if home charging is available at my condo. The reasons keep adding up to make me go elsewhere when in the market for an EV.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Geely should sell their pickup truck in the U.S. Even with the “chicken tax,” it would be a bargain, if it’s any good.

  29. wmb Says:

    #28.) Your right! At that price, there might be a lot of interest here in the States, but they may have to sale them through/under one of the brands that they have purchased and not a new brand that has a direct connection to it being a Chinese product. US customers may have no problem buying a Volvo, Polestar (Swedish) or Lotus (UK), but the Geely/Radar, may not make it past potential buyers and their political views of the products point of origin! While it shouldn’t, since so many products people currently buy conform that corner of the world.

    Regarding the Zoom conference calls in the Tesla, if I’m not mistaken, the video from todays report, while it show the female Tesla driver driving on the road originally, after she’s started the Zoom call/conference, they show her parked at a fast charging station. So it would seem that it is being suggested that such communication should be done while parked! Whether will happen though, is another question.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Yeah, call the Geely pickup Volvo. There are Volvo trucks, so why not a small one? Geely has nothing to do with big Volvo trucks, but most people don’t know that. Maybe there would be trademark issues, though.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22,23 I just found in a Car and Driver article that 2020 was the last year you could get a manual transmission in any Accord, at least in the U.S. market.

  32. Lambo2015 Says:

    I’m not sure if its still the case but I do know that back when many cars had CD players many were capable of playing DVD’s (@ 2008). In the US the car had to have the parking brake set for that function to work. Where vehicles sent to the UK did not have to be in park. There were and likely still are regulations restricting certain functions like programming your GPS while in motion. So I doubt a user can use the Zoom function on their Tesla while moving at least in the US.

  33. wmb Says:

    #30.) Yeah, calling the Geely/Radar pickup a Volvo could work and make the vehicle salable in the US! I’m sure they could probably would something out with Volvo Trucks, for it’s not like they are competitors in any way, shape or form. However, it’s that attractive price point that becomes an issue. Even with the “chicken tax”, it would probably cost less then the least expensive vehicle that Volvo currently sells. Simple fix, though, just give it Volvo interior appointments, raise the price, but bring it in well under the the Rivian R1T and the they may have a bother run away success!

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I just read the news release for the new Accord, and they have made some strange choices. Black 19 inch wheels are mandatory for the hybrid versions, while non-black 17 inch wheels come with the 1.5t versions. Generally, people who would buy the hybrid would care more about gas mileage, ride quality, and minimal road noise, not big, black wheels. Of course, there are a lot of aftermarket wheels available.

  35. Lambo2015 Says:

    34 That does seem strange. Like maybe Honda figured the hybrid is more up level so you get the bigger wheels as part of that higher price, even though it would make more sense to put the 17″ on the hybrid. I dont even try and understand what marketing folks are thinking.
    One trend I am seeing lately is most automakers in order to cut costs are consolidating options and limiting the available packages. Yet high end manufacturers are starting to let consumers pick specific colors or interior trims. As vehicles become more and more alike and even closer in quality. The EV’s seem to make vehicles more appliance like and similar the options may be what makes the high end cars stand out.

  36. Mark Williams Says:

    Wow! Sooo disappointed in the exterior designs of the new Volvo Ex 90 and the Honda Accord.

    I had so hoped that 75% of the Volvo Recharge concept would make it to the new 90 but everything seems the same or more boring except the rear which is a huge mis-mash of parts. It looks like the took the taillights from the S 90 and S60 they have left over and added some chunky cheap vertical lights to reference their current good looking XC 90.

    The Accord looks like they thought the last generation was too good looking and Camry’s are to crazy so lets try the whole boring thing and see if we can get some scaps. While we are at it let’s take the cool rear from the Kia k-5 and make it uncool.

    Both of these were on my next to consider list but now .. sorry not a chance.

  37. Mark Williams Says:

    Yep! I know my typing and spelling are horrible. I should know to proof before posting HA!

  38. Marshy Says:

    Wearing my critical thinking hat here: I’ve never heard waste heat billed as increasing the efficiency of the HVAC system.