AD #3518 – BYD Builds Gigafactory Faster Than Tesla; Is VinFast Moving Too Fast?; Turkey Slaps 40% Tariff on Chinese EVs
March 3rd, 2023 at 11:52am
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Runtime: 10:17
0:08 Chinese Cars Flood into Russia
0:54 Turkey Slaps 40% Tariff on Chinese EVs
1:54 Is VinFast Moving Too Fast?
3:26 Redwood Worries About Logistics Costs
4:54 Tesla Sales in China Jump 31%
5:38 BYD Builds Gigafactory Faster Than Tesla
7:30 Ford Creates New AI Subsidiary
8:11 GM to Sign Battery Deal with Samsung
8:45 VW Eyes Two Plants in North America
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CHINESE CARS FLOOD INTO RUSSIA
Chinese car companies are rushing into Russia to fill the void when everyone else pulled out of Russia because of its invasion of Ukraine. Car News China reports that 100 Chinese brands will enter the Russian market this year. Last year, 122,000 Chinese vehicles were sold in Russia, up 13% from the year before. Chinese brands now account for 20% market share. Close to 500 new Chinese brand dealerships opened in the country last year, bringing the total to more than 1,000, which is about a third of all dealerships in the country. So, it sure looks like Chinese automakers are taking over the Russian market.
TURKEY SLAPS 40% TARIFF ON CHINESE EVs
But not everyone is welcoming Chinese vehicles with open arms. Turkey just slapped a 40% tariff on EVs imported from China. The government already invested billions of dollars in a company called Togg to manufacture electric SUVs in the country. And Ford is making e-Transits there. So Turkey doesn’t want Chinese EVs flooding the market. We think other European countries could end up doing something similar. The transition to EVs is going to eliminate a lot of ICE jobs. The only way to salvage as many of those jobs as possible is to get those workers to make EVs, batteries and motors. But if Chinese EVs flood the market, more jobs will go away. We think it’s likely that powerful labor unions in the EU will pressure their governments to impose higher tariffs on Chinese EVs.
IS VINFAST MOVING TOO FAST?
VinFast, the Vietnamese car company, moved into the auto industry with blinding speed. But maybe VinFast is moving too fast. LMC Automotive reports that sales of its electric cars in Vietnam are going nowhere. It only sold 358 of them in January. In the US, it’s delaying the construction of its assembly plant in Georgia, as well as delaying its IPO to get listed on a US stock exchange. In the first three quarters of last year it lost $1.4 billion. LMC says it wouldn’t be surprised to see VinFast pivot instead to commercial vehicles and two-wheel electrics for the southeast Asian market. But VinFast isn’t the only EV startup that’s struggling. A whole bunch of them are learning the hard way that getting into the auto industry isn’t easy.

REDWOOD WORRIES ABOUT LOGISTICS COSTS
Most automakers that operate in the American market are counting on battery recycling to get the materials they need to make EVs and help them qualify for incentives under the IRA. But unless transportation costs come down for recyclers, the cost of EVs might actually go up. According to battery recycler, Redwood Materials, which was started by Tesla co-founder JB Straubel, its biggest cost is logistics. It says current regulations were never intended to cover transportation of large EV battery packs, which could lead to additional fees and thus an increase in EV costs. One of the ways Redwood can reduce logistics costs is by increasing scale by getting more batteries to recycle, but at the moment it’s only profitable recycling small batteries like the ones in consumer devices. Now, don’t go thinking it’s not recycling any car batteries. Over the last year at its new site in California, Redwood was able to recycle almost 1,300 batteries and a good portion of those came from 19 different BEV and hybrid models. Most of the batteries, 82%, were lithium ion and Redwood was able to recover nearly 95% of the metals. It’s then able to refine those materials so they can go back into battery production.
TESLA SALES IN CHINA JUMP 31%
Despite fluctuating weekly production numbers, Tesla was able to post one of its best sales months in China. According to data from the China Passenger Car Association, it sold just over 74,400 China-made EVs in February. That’s an increase of more than 31% compared to last year and about 12.5% better than January. While that’s good, Tesla is falling behind the rest of the market. Total EV sales in China increased 81% last month compared to Tesla’s 31%. And BYD continues to gain market share. It sold 76,000 pure electric vehicles in China in February.
BYD BUILDS GIGAFACTORY FASTER THAN TESLA
And BYD will very likely keep growing. It’s working at warp speed to expand a new production facility in China. It only took 42 days from the start of site negotiations until ground was broken on the plant and only 10 months until the first car rolled down the line. This new second phase of expansion will build on the current annual production capacity of 400,000 vehicles and a daily run rate of 1,200 vehicles. When the third phase is completed at the end of April it will be able to make over 1.3 million vehicles a year. But you may have already worked out that while BYD sells more pure EVs than Tesla in China, Tesla’s manufacturing is more efficient. Its Shanghai plant already has about the same yearly capacity that BYD hopes to hit and it’s able to make about 3,000 vehicles a day vs. BYD’s 1,200. And Tesla has done it much cheaper. It reportedly spent a little more than $2 billion on Giga Shanghai, but BYD will have spent $4.3 billion by the end of this second phase and it still has another to go.

FORD CREATES NEW AI SUBSIDIARY
Ford and Volkswagen gave up on trying to develop autonomous cars through Argo AI. But they didn’t throw in the towel on autonomy. Ford just created a new subsidiary called Latitude AI for developing hands-free, eyes-off-the-road technology. Latitude will be based in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania which is also where Argo was based. And Ford is hiring 550 people who used to work at Argo. Ford BlueCruise was rated as the best hands-free system by Consumer Reports and Ford says Latitude will accelerate the development of all-new technology for automated driving.
GM TO SIGN BATTERY DEAL WITH SAMSUNG
Earlier this year, General Motors and LG Energy Solution canceled plans to build a 4th EV battery plant in the U.S. But now GM has a new battery partner. According to South Korea’s Yonhap News Agency, GM will team up to build the new battery plant with Samsung SDI in Michigan. The plant with LG was originally going to be in Indiana. GM and Samsung are expected to sign the deal next week, so that’s when we’ll likely learn more about it.
VW EYES TWO PLANTS IN NORTH AMERICA
Reuters reports that the Volkswagen board is meeting today to discuss plans to build two new plants in North America, an assembly plant in the U.S. for Scout and a battery plant in Canada that would presumably supply VW, Scout and Audi. It’s kind of surprising to us that it’s taking the VW board so long to make a decision. Scout publicly announced its plans to come to the market a year ago, and VW has been searching for a Canadian site for about a year as well. When you compare that to BYD throwing up a gigantic assembly plant in China in only 10 months, it could build a whole other plant and have cars rolling down the line before VW even starts construction.
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March 3rd, 2023 at 1:55 pm
VW to build Scout plant in SC. Why not Chattanooga, or do they not have enough land?
https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/vw-unit-scout-motors-plant-be-built-south-carolina
March 3rd, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Hope you and your staff have a great weekend as well,cheers
March 3rd, 2023 at 9:15 pm
It’s truly amazing 42 days and 10 months from pasture to a factory making cars. You have to really hand it to BYD, they are on a roll
March 3rd, 2023 at 10:55 pm
3 With no worker safety or environmental regs, things happen quickly. Still, it’s impressive. Tesla Shanghai also got going impressively quickly.
March 4th, 2023 at 6:12 am
With the help of that Italian designer house, Vinfast has some really impressive looking vehicles inside and out. I only hope their tech lives up to the promise!
March 4th, 2023 at 8:51 pm
I guess I hadn’t been paying much attention, but I just saw that F1 starts tomorrow. It may be continuing where is left off, with Verstappen on pole but, hopefully, the season will be more competitive than last year.
March 5th, 2023 at 7:17 pm
6, Decent race, Alonzo on the podium (third). Red Bull dominating so far, Ferrari lost an engine late in the race and a lot of fairly good racing in the mid-pack. I’m encouraged for the upcoming season though Verstappen and Red Bull look formable.
March 5th, 2023 at 7:19 pm
7, formidable
March 5th, 2023 at 8:01 pm
7 I questioned Alonso going to Aston Martin, where his team mate would be in F1 only because Daddy’s rich, but they seem to have the 3rd best cars this year. Alonso did some impressive driving. Actually, the rich kid is probably better than I give him credit for.
I hope someone can pick up their game, and give Red Bull some real competition. Ferrari is fairly close, but their reliability issues seem to have carried over from last year. Mercedes just didn’t seem to get things right with the car, being about 6 tenths a lap down from RB.
March 6th, 2023 at 7:45 am
Interesting article and points out how the subscription service model takes profits away from dealers. I hadnt thought of it in this way but agree that neither dealers or consumers like the idea of subscription options. I still think the days of traditional dealerships are over as in time they will lose new sales and will become more certified used car and warranty/service centers.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/a-legislative-battle-is-brewing-between-car-dealers-and-automakers-in-the-u-s/ar-AA18c2hl?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=651614bcf9d8449999503de8566b07a4&ei=77
March 6th, 2023 at 8:28 am
10 I hope the whole idea of “subscriptions” dies a horrible death, except for maybe satellite radio and Onstar-like services, if the cost isn’t too high. The idea of charging to “turn on” things that are already part of the car could keep me from buying a certain car.
March 6th, 2023 at 8:30 am
As far as dealers, they provide two services. They do warranty and other repairs, and they take trades when you buy a car. For buying a new car, without a trade, I’d be fine with ordering through a web site, with a non-negotiable price, and taking delivery at a location that could handle deliveries of all brands of cars. Unfortunately, Toyota, and maybe some other brands won’t let you order cars at all, even through the dealers.
March 6th, 2023 at 9:09 am
10) Used to be a time when there were zero dealers and vehicles were sold direct to consumers. It didn’t work out then, but maybe it will work once again. Afterall, everything old is new again when people forget about history and are doomed to repeat it.
March 6th, 2023 at 9:30 am
In the early days, manufacturers sold cars using the Tesla model, with company owned stores. Some of them, like the Auburn factory showroom, were beautiful facilities. That one is now the Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg museum in Auburn, Indiana.
March 6th, 2023 at 10:17 am
13 I dont think direct sales would be a failure today. With so much on-line shopping and the ability to take a virtual tour of a car research about anything you want to know, plus consumer reviews and option selection rather than taking whats available on the lot. It puts pressure on the manufacturers to produce a good app and product. Start getting bad reviews and your model will fail a quick death. No slick salesman to push the junk that cant stand on its own merit.
The only downside to direct sales I can foresee is the ability to test drive a vehicle before purchase. But if manuafacturers offer something like a 24 hour return policy or maintain one of each model at the dealerships for that purpose, I dont see much need for a new car sales dealership. Just a place for warranty and service work and maybe trade in your used car.
March 6th, 2023 at 10:23 am
What I find funny is for years dealerships have said they make little to no money on new car sales. All their money comes from used and service. So not sure why they fight the direct sales model so much. You could essentially drop the overhead of a new sales dept and cut finance portion. No need to deal with manufacturers rebates, employee pricing, and a lot of the licensing portion. Used car sales will likely be doing just plate transfers. I mean either they been lying and there is good money in new sales or they could possibly be more profitable cutting that portion of their business.
March 6th, 2023 at 10:24 am
15) Just wait for it. Once again, lessons will have to be repeated. Its failure the first time had nothing to do with can you see the car or not.
March 6th, 2023 at 12:00 pm
17 Feel free to enlighten me on how you see it to be a failure. I could certainly be missing something.