AD #3524 – Price War Spreading Fast In China; GM All In With ChatGPT; Ferrari Purosangue Opens Up

March 13th, 2023 at 11:58am

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Runtime: 9:57

0:08 Price War Spreading Fast in China
1:05 China’s Xi Jin Ping Warns CATL
1:59 Britain Risks Losing Out with EVs
3:28 GM All in With ChatGPT
4:30 Rivian Wants Different Deal with Amazon
5:27 Ferrari Purosangue Opens Up
6:55 GMC Hummer Gets Bi-Directional Charging
7:47 Solid State Could Change the Battery Market
8:35 U.S. EVs Average Nearly 300 Miles

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23 Comments to “AD #3524 – Price War Spreading Fast In China; GM All In With ChatGPT; Ferrari Purosangue Opens Up”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    Bi-directional charging could be great for a power outage, but I wonder how it will affect battery life if you were selling power back to the grid on a daily basis. With a battery being in the 20k range I dont think I would opt for that feature unless I made enough money to replace the battery when it was worn out.

  2. Albemarle Says:

    i think bidirectional is good for when you have a power outage. Selling power when it’s expensive doesn’t seem worth it to me. If you have a 100 kWh battery and are willing to use 20% you would sell up to 20 kWh a day of power. I think you’d be lucky to get $0.05 a kWh or $1.00 a day. No thanks. If you were a fleet operator, then that might be a different story.

  3. Victor West Says:

    Why not rename thew show Electric Only Autoline.

  4. kevin A Says:

    If the GMC Hummer is a vehicle that you don’t drive every day, wouldn’t the bi-directional charging give the battery a little exercise? I know that in the early computer laptops, batteries that sat unused died a lot sooner than ones that were used regularly.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1,2 I’d pass too, on selling power back. More charge/discharge cycles shortens the life of the battery.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4 Running lithium batteries down below about 3.3 volts/cell damages, or ruins them. The residual drain, and/or self discharge can run batteries in laptops below that level if they sit for many months, or years without being charged. Generally, it is best to store the batteries at about 60% charge, or ~3.9 volts/cell if a device is unused. Generally speaking, charge-discharge cycles are what “wears out” the batteries.

  7. Albemarle Says:

    I see a world of difference between the batteries in EVs and those in phones and computers. Most OEMs, (with the exception of manufacturing problems) have excellent battery life, with the notable exception of Nissan.

    Car companies warrant batteries for 8 years, phone companies warrant them for one year or till they leave the shop, whichever comes first.

  8. Ziggy Says:

    Sean, I notice that you don’t pronounce CATL as cattle anymore, did the company give you a raft of crap for using the acronym and if so what did they expect people to do when they named it such? What does the CATL actually stand for? Thanks.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 I can set my phone to charge only to 85%, which I do when leaving it plugged in overnight. My laptop has a similar feature, which I always use. That should help the lifetime of the batteries. Both are about two years old, and don’t have noticeable loss of battery capacity. I’m unlikely to replace either for an “upgrade” any time soon, so might find out how long the batteries last. I had a Mac laptop that went ~7 years on the original battery, before it died of other causes.

    A use that is really hard on batteries is powering model airplanes. We often charge them full, and run them lower than we should. Even worse, they are discharged very quickly, like in about 6-8 minutes, which makes the batteries get hot, with no form of cooling. The much slower discharge rate of batteries in cars, laptops, and phones is much easier on them.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 According to Wikipedia, it’s “Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Limited.” It’s still cattle to me.

  11. Dave Says:

    Thank you Sean/John for providing autoline an online NEWS channel which is new automotive news and if ICE companies are not providing any new news well it’s like 120 years ago the carriage manufacturers were not providing any new news it was all the new fangled horse less carriages. For ICE gearheads DaNile [some people spell it denial] is more than a big river in Africa

  12. XA351GT Says:

    That Ferrari is a great looking Mazda MX30 .For 10 x the price.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 Weren’t the carriage companies selling amphetamines, also known as speed, to make horses go faster?

  14. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Would bidirectional battery usage be used by any manufacturers as an excuse to deny warranty on premature battery failure? Just thinking out loud; some warranties have been denied for less.

  15. Joe G Says:

    3- I agree, I have been thinking this for a while, you just said it out loud. Other automotive news sources have more than just all electric, so I go there for info as well.

  16. merv Says:

    great show today, fascinating whats all going on in the auto industry.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 Good point. It would shorten the lifetime of the battery, so unless the vehicle manufacturer sanctioned biderectional use, I’d think it could be a warranty issue.

  18. wmb Says:

    Thank you Sean and John Mc.for giving us the automotive news as it comes to you two! If the only breaking news from OEMs are about EVs, you give it to us. When something on the ICE front comes through, you give it as soon as you got it!

    As beautiful as the Ferrari SUV is, IMHO, it has reset the rule book on what sporty SUV can look like. No soft, rounded edge, two boxed, squares affair there, but a very curvaceous and power, all weather, asphalt burner! The Purosangue is the template/benchmark for all SUV/CUV named and style after sport cars/coupe (I’m longing at you Mach-E, future Camaro/Corvette SUV and you too DBX, Urus, Polestar, Cayenne and Taycan Cross Turismo)!

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Ferrari truck looks good, but for ~$400K base price, it should. The thing is, anyone can make something that looks similar, and sell it for $30-35K. Why don’t they? Is boxier a requisite for the low-mid mass market?

  20. Lambo2015 Says:

    It does seem like AD is heavy EV and China news but I’m not seeing that much activity in the US domestic market. I mean Stellates isn’t really domestic anymore even though I look at Dodge, Ram and Jeep as domestics. But Ford has thrown in the towel on cars. They have all their eggs in the truck and SUV market and seem to have plans to support only the EV market. GM is not much different, and I saw an article the other day that the biggest problem is they all have given up on entry level vehicles. They have basically handed that market over to Hyundia and Kia or anyone else that wants it. They are focused on high dollar large margin vehicles and EVs can be profitable when they start at 60K. The US automakers don’t want to offer anything low dollar. So, no entry level cars. Actually, no cars at all. They don’t want ICEs anymore because they can get more money for EVs.
    Personally, I feel like when the realization that EVs are not the 100% answer they are going to be handed their lunch. Hyundia/Kia or maybe some Chinese firm will come into the US with a cheap ICE to fill the huge void left by this thinking. New buyers are going to be less likely to buy a Ford or GM as they will stick with the brand, they are familiar with. Who sold them that entry level vehicle that got them through college and when they first started out. Won’t be Ford or GM. And by then Ford and GM will go the way of Stellates and be bought out by a much stronger well diversified auto manufacturer. They are not too big to fail as we have seen before. Their next bailout will likely be a buyout.


    19) The vehicle everyone states is similar looking to the Ferrari, at least in sporty profile, that is in the 30-35K range is the Mazda MX30.

  22. XA351GT Says:

    20 & 21 the direct side profile of both are amazingly similar . and like I said earlier is 10 x cheaper.Of course you should expect a lot more in peformance and luxury from a Ferrari , but on looks alone they are very close.

  23. FlintMichigAndrew Says:

    It sounded like you said the Chevy Bolt gets over 300 mi of range… not unless its 70 degrees and I stay around 55 mph during the trip.