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Episode 777 – U.S. Auto Industry Will Add Jobs, VW Cross Coupe Concept, Honda’s Tokyo Reveals

November 30th, 2011 at 12:00pm

Runtime: 8:50

The Center for Automotive Research says that the U.S. auto industry is going to add 190,000 jobs in the next four years. Volkswagen introduced a plug-in hybrid SUV concept at the Tokyo Motor Show called the Cross Coupe. And Honda unveiled seven new concepts in Tokyo, all of which are electric. All that and more, plus John answers your questions and comments in the “You Said It!” segment.

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This is Autoline Daily for November 30th, which means we’ve come to the end of another month. Time marches on, and things change.

U.S. AUTO INDUSTRY WILL ADD JOBS
And just to show you how much things have changed, we have two mind-boggling developments to report. First, the Center for Automotive Research says that the U.S. auto industry is going to add 190,000 jobs in the next four years. Next year alone the industry will add 60,000 jobs. While most of those jobs will be for factory workers, especially at supplier companies, about 12,000 white-collar jobs will be added as well. As car sales continue to move upward, automakers and suppliers are straining to keep up with demand.

U.S. EXPORTS MORE FUEL THAN IT IMPORTS (subscription required)
Here’s the next mind-boggling report. For the first time in 61 years the United States will become a net exporter of petroleum products. You heard me right, the Wall Street Journal reports that the U.S. is exporting more gasoline, diesel and refined products than it imports. What changed? First, unemployment. Americans aren’t using as much gasoline because so many people are out of work. Next, ethanol. Big increases in ethanol production mixed in with gasoline have reduced the need for oil. Third, horizontal drilling and fracking are dramatically increasing oil and natural gas production. All that makes it possible for the US to export more than it imports. But all those exports are keeping demand high and that’s why prices at the pump have not gone down very much.

VW CROSS COUPE CONCEPT
VW introduced a plug-in hybrid SUV concept at the Tokyo Motor Show called the Cross Coupe, which the company says is a hint at its future design. I think the front end looks very VW, but it’s also reminiscent of the Volvo You Concept in my opinion. The all-wheel-drive four-seater is shorter than a Tiguan and is powered by two electric motors and a direct-injected turbocharged gasoline engine. Based on the European driving cycle its fuel economy is 87 miles per gallon. And the company says the Cross Coupe’s range is over 530 miles when you factor in electric-only driving.

HONDA’S TOKYO REVEALS
The Tokyo Motor Show is officially under way and Honda is making a big splash. The capital “H” is showing off seven, yes SEVEN different concepts. The list includes two-, three- and four-wheeled vehicles, all of which are electric.

First up, the AC-X. This nice-looking four-door sedan features a plug-in hybrid drivetrain and it could hint at what future production models will look like.

Next we have the Micro Commuter Concept. It’s a futuristic city-car that’s the result of collaboration between Honda’s automotive and motorcycle divisions. One of its claims to fame is a customizable exterior, but we’re not sure how that works.

The company hasn’t released much information about the tentatively named Small Sports EV, but it’s supposedly designed to maximize driving fun while delivering excellent environmental performance.

In two-wheeled news, the Motor Compo is an itty-bitty commuter scooter. But it’s more than just an electrified bike. It can be loaded into the Micro Commuter Concept AND its battery pack can be used for electrical power.

The RC-E is an all-electric motorcycle designed to compete with other sport bikes in the 250cc class. As you’d expect, Honda says it’s fun to ride.

The sole three-wheeler on the list is called the E-Canopy. It looks like a strange combination of a bike, a scooter and a rickshaw. Beyond commuting, the company says it could also be used for (very) light-duty delivery work when fitted with a trunk.

Wrapping things up, the Townwalker is another four-wheeled conveyance – but this one is 100 percent mobility scooter. It looks like a futuristic Hoveround! It may not take you all the way to the Grand Canyon, but it is designed to be loaded into a car as its seat and handlebars fold away.

Coming up next, it’s time for You Said It!

YOU SAID IT!
And now it’s time for some of your feedback.

Drake Nailon likes the new sport coupe from Subaru and Toyota, and doesn’t like the criticism they’re getting. “Wow…a lightweight sports coupe comes to market and all any one can do is gripe about their looks and compare them to Lame Ducks like the Solstice? These cars are not meant to be lightning fast though I’m sure they will be quick. The idea behind them, is a light weight RWD sports coupe with outstanding handling that can be driven at 8-10 tenths on public roads and be fun to drive. Like its fore bearer the AE86 Corolla GTS. These should be a blast to drive and be affordable to buy and own. I for one can’t wait.”

I agree Drake, but the only problem I see is that both Toyota and Subaru will be selling the same car. The sales potential of this car was relatively small to begin with, so unless the two automakers decide to divvy up which markets in the world they’ll sell them, each one will hurt the other.

NathanDM78 is sick and tired of us in the media criticizing Saab. “I’m really tired of all these reviews (saying) Saab is dying. Dear automotive journalist: STFU and let Saab take care of its business. Have you all forgotten BMW was near extinction in the 60′s with bankruptcy? Lamborghini was dead before Audi bought them. Mini before BMW? Saab has great cars.”

But apparently Red Affinity doesn’t quite see it that way. “I’m 26. I’m not sure if I’m a target for Saab’s, but I find none of their cars appealing for me to look into. Where did GM/Saab go so wrong?”

Look, here’s the problem with Saab. Even in its best days it only sold about 120,000 cars world wide. That’s less than half the production from a typical assembly plant. You can’t run a global car company on half a plant’s production, not at the prices that Saab is able to get. While the company has had some cool cars in its history, they always appealed to a very small segment of the car-buying public. And while NathanDM78 may not like it, it’s the job of us journalists to point out the ugly truth.

Armydray13 likes the Autoextremist and is blown away that Mazda is moving production to Mexico because it can export cars to so many markets thanks to Mexico’s free-trade agreements. “Peter is a cool dude, and I’m glad you two are buds. Wow, can’t believe Mexico has that many more free trade agreements than the US. Aren’t we supposed to be the one that is the free country?”

Yes, it was amazing to learn that Mexico has 41 free-trade agreements while the U.S. has 17.

And speaking of the Autoextremist, join him and me tomorrow night for Autoline After Hours, which you can watch at Autoline.tv. We’ll be talking with a buddy of mine, Michael Pickholtz, who is an inventor and engineer. Does Detroit’s culture encourage people like him, or is it choking them off? Join us for that discussion, which is going to be a good one.

But that wraps up today’s report. Thanks for watching, we’ll see you tomorrow.

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123 Comments to “Episode 777 – U.S. Auto Industry Will Add Jobs, VW Cross Coupe Concept, Honda’s Tokyo Reveals”

  1. tj Martin Says:

    VW CROSS COUPE

    Brother , talk about taking the original concept ( the streetable Dakar concept ) and turning something potentially great into another Plain Vanilla SUV with a VW badge on its snout

    Sad

    MAZDA i-ELOOP

    Well I’ve been doing a bit of research and as best I can discover here’s my findings , assuming I’m correct ;

    What is it ?

    Its a stripped down ( minus the ability to send a power boost ) version of F1′s KERS system ( Kenetic Energy Recovery System )

    Why is that a ‘ bad ‘ thing ?

    Because KERS has been the reliability bain of each and every F1 team since its introduction , including Red Bull : having broken down multiple times , electrocuted ( not fatally so far ) everyone from Pit Crew Members to Drivers to the Engineers working on the cars , gone the spontaneous combustion route more often than not and generally been a Royal Pain in the Posterior since it was introduced

    And why , Tj did you claim yesterday that i-ELOOP was not something new ?

    Because not only has F1 had the system for a bit , but Porsche has been , with Williams F1 , working on the very same technology that Mazda is now claiming they’re innovating for going on over 12 months now . To no avail I might add .

    So if the top engineers in the World ( F1 ) as well as one of the most technologically advanced motor companies in the World ( Porsche ) can’t make this work …..

    Why would any sane person with a modicum of knowledge think for a minute that a very ‘ Behind the Times ‘ company like Mazda can , especially in light of the fact that most of their tech of late came from their now defunct relationship with FORD ?

  2. tj Martin Says:

    MY HOW YOU’VE GROWN

    We’ve had several discussions here on the ever expanding waistlines of cars in the last few years .

    So …. In the spirit of the season and to illustrate just how much those waistlines have expanded , I give you ;

    THE AUTOMOTIVE MATRYOSHKA DOLL

    You can take a BMW Isetta and put it into;

    A 1960 Mini

    which will fit into ;

    A 1973 Honda Civic hatchback

    which will fit into ;

    A BMW MINI series II

    which will fit into ;

    A 2011 BMW 1 Series hatchback

    which you can place neatly into ;

    A 2012 Honda Civic hatchback ( assuming the US gets them )

    My but we have grown there a bit Auto Industry haven’t we ?

    ( all of the above above is approximate and more for effect than absolute accuracy , so please don’t go all pedantic on me if you would )

  3. LS ford Says:

    TJ – Great insight on the Mazda system based on F1. F1 spawns many technologies, but not all are good, and not all are real world aplicable. This is propably one of those that are not able to translate into the real world.

    As for VW, I think this a decent looking auto/truck. Better than the LR in my opinion. But again with the hybrid?? Its kind like a huge cadillac escalade with the hybrid logo on the side. Oxymoron anyone?

    Kudos to VW for have some style at least…this was seriously lacking from their models…

  4. tj Martin Says:

    LS ford

    This is what I was hoping VW was going to announce and build ;

    http://www.gflcarsharing.org/news-2011-volkswagen-race-touareg-3-qatar-concept.htm

    Now you’ll understand my disappointment better with the Cross Coupe

  5. LS ford Says:

    Wow, that would have been great. But as usually, if you like it, they will never build it…

  6. Lex Says:

    Now I know what Honda R&D has been working on stupid people movers. Case in Point, The 2012 Honda CR-V has a much improved front grill and head lights, but the rear quarter panel glass and rear end of the vehicle look terrible!

    I realize that Honda Engineers wanted to maximize interior vehicle space but the tail of the 2012 CR-V should of had been more traditional in shape or even similar to other CUVs like the Kia Sorento. They could have maintained the vertical tail lamps which was a trademark of older CR-V’s.

  7. pedro fernandez Says:

    I must have over-slept or abducted by aliens but I was not aware that Honda had become a toy manufacturer.

  8. MJB Says:

    Once again, I must be the voice of dissention.

    tj, I disagree on the VW Cross Coupe. I love it.

    Your Toureg 3 Qatar concept’s snout looks like a Passat with a Photoshop stretch job. :)

  9. MJB Says:

    Okay, someone here please school me on this. Because something just doesn’t seem to add up for me.

    America is now exporting more oil than it imports.

    So then would it not stand to reason that if we simply stopped exporting oil (and start using it for ourselves), that we would essentially end our dependence on foriegn oil completely?

    I honestly feel like I must be missing something here. There’s got to be a HUGE reason why we are not doing just that – and I’m just not seeing it.

    Somebody help me out here.

  10. HtG Says:

    Fight! Fight! Fight! I’ll wager that Mazda will be successful with their loopie capacitor system. Unlike F1 applications that store energy to add power to the drive wheels, Mazda will use their system to help out the battery. We’re only talking about 25 volts. Also, F1 has a tough challenge in making components very small. Finally, it’s not like capacitors are newfangled; open any consumer electronic bobo, and you’ll see those little barrels on the board. Them’s rolled up capacitors.

  11. dcars Says:

    Honda styling is just not that good anymore. I took ownership of a 2003 accord to replace my 06. Strangely the fit and finish on the 03 is better than the 06? It even has a tighter overall feel. I guess not everything gets better with age.

  12. tj Martin Says:

    @ MJB

    #1 Your VW Qatar comment

    Thpppppppt . Its bad _____ed . Not beautiful . The GT-R of SUV’s which is why I liked it . The Cross Coupe ? Not bad but …… B-O-R-I-N-G !

    #2 – Your Oil comment ;

    I’ve warned Pedro about this and now I’m warning you buster !

    COMMON SENSE IS NOT ALLOWED . PERIOD !

    Next time you get the treatment ;-) ( ask pedro what happened to him last time he spouted off common sense )

  13. pedro fernandez Says:

    But HtG, De Lorean failed with their flux capacitor system, (the cars all went back in time and were not able to return) so what makes you think Mazda can pull it off?

  14. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    #10

    Ahem . You are bringing a Pen Knife to a Nuclear War there mien freund .

    Porsche’s been trying to do what Mazda is just now getting into for over a year and its failing miserably so far . And thats P-O-R-S-C-H-E we’re talking about … with Williams F1 engineers assisting … not stuck in the 90′s ( though with the MX5 pleasantly so ) Mazda , with no help what so ever

  15. HtG Says:

    HUH?

  16. HtG Says:

    MJB, John pretty much got the WSJ article on oil exports correct. Here’s a couple more quotes from the piece.

    ” In August, U.S. drivers burned 7.7% less gasoline than four years earlier, when gasoline usage peaked.”

    “Also adding to the U.S. exporting firepower: Refineries are more efficient, giving them an edge over older facilities in Europe. New drilling methods are boosting U.S. oil production, helping ensure steady supplies of raw material for refiners to process.”

    Sorry about the extended quotes from WSJ, John. I don’t think ol’ Rupert is going to slap a lawsuit on you. He’s on Slow Roast over in Blighty.

  17. tj Martin Says:

    # 7

    ” I must have over-slept or abducted by aliens but I was not aware that Honda had become a toy manufacturer ”

    Need I remind you of Asimo mi amigo ?

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #10,
    I agree. It’s just and “extra light hybrid” system using capacitors instead of batteries. It will take fancy electronics, given the constantly changing voltage of a capacitor being charged and discharged, but a regular hybrid needs a lot of complex electronics, and the manufacturers make that work, and work reliably.

  19. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG & MJB

    Yeah and have either of you seen the statistics on just how much Oil there is for the taking under Los Angeles ?

    Nuts !

  20. pedro fernandez Says:

    Asimo for President in 2012!!!!!

  21. HtG Says:

    14 Why do you say Porsche is failing? Their race car seemed quite reliable as it paced the field in ALMS. I was under the impression that they were onto miniaturization, which may very well be difficult. Perhaps Mazda will B-E-A-T Porsche.

  22. tj Martin Says:

    #18

    If Porsche with Williams Engineering can’t pull the very same system you’re mentioning off , you can be sure Mazda sure as heck won’t be able to

  23. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    Grrrrrrrr.

    Road CAR KERS HtG …. R-O-A-D… C-A-R KERS

    Mazda beat Porsche in a technology race .

    Yeah right and FIAT will start building more reliable cars than the Japanese . In your Deutche dreams mien freund . In your Deutche dreams .

  24. tj Martin Says:

    #20

    Couldn’t do much worse than what we’ve got or what’s on offer

    8)

  25. HtG Says:

    23 The systems are solving different problems. Mazda isn’t storing energy for the purpose of propelling the car, only returning juice to the battery.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    …and what’s to make anyone think Mazda is doing this all internally? No one does everything internally, not even Toyota, Ford, or GM when they were “on top of the world.” You can be pretty sure another companies or companies with electronics expertise are involved.

  27. pedro fernandez Says:

    Funny how Mazda has started all these”innovations” after their divorce from Ford

  28. pedro fernandez Says:

    Guy from work past 7 yrs, Crown Vic (pleased)to Jeep (miserable) to Optima (ecstatic). Family Dodge Journey may indeed end up in lemon law court if this last brake fix also fails, great going Dodge and Sister for NOT listening to me!!

  29. HtG Says:

    It seems the i ELOOP will allow ancillary systems to keep running while the engine is off, a start stop improvement.

    http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1069983_mazdas-regenerative-braking-system-switches-batteries-for-capacitors

  30. tj Martin Says:

    #25

    Nor is Porsche’s ! ( aint you been payin attention to whats going on in the Old Country there HtG ? ) Same system . Same function .

    And I’ll bet same result .

    F-A-I-L-U-R-E

    ———-

    #27- Even funnier how Mazda , since the FORD breakup , has been resorting to more and more Smoke & Mirrors as well as contrived monikers for non existent technology thats more myth than reality .

    Kind of sad to watch such a previously ‘ Honorable ‘ and honest company go down the route of BS Marketing .

    ———–

    Mazda Ad

    Mazda – Now bringing you the newest innovations , including Sky(hook ) and UmpaLumpa ( ELOOP ) being created in tandem with Uranus Corporation .

    There’s all kinds of good things coming from … Uranus

    ( lets see how many catch that reference )

  31. HtG Says:

    So tj. What we’re wagering is that a Japanese company won’t be able to accomplish an electronics challenge, and that it’s so hard a problem that the Germans who fumblebummed the electronics on Merc in the early 2000s, then Volkwagen(don’t touch that dial!), then BMW’s idrive, have some kind of higher technical abilities. How much?

    _______
    30 wish I hadn’t just looked up Brown 25.

  32. RS Says:

    The most exciting aspect of the “capacitor” story is NOT Mazda – it is the fact that SOMEONE is looking at something electronic that is NOT battery related.

    So Mazda “will not get it working.” But if there is development going on in this direction, eventually we will see working results. This promises to be the real story in electric cars. Batteries are NOT the answer – have not been for the last 300 years and will not be in the near future. Now, electronics…definitely a possible way to harness energy, capture it quickly, distribute it in measurable quantity over a decent period and recharge quickly again for a repeat performance. That is what capacitors do – that is their job. The challenge will be to make it work in a “motor” – which (maybe) Mazda is doing.

  33. tj Martin Says:

    A little MAZDA Perspective

    Lets have a look see down history lane to what else Mazda may have ‘ innovated ‘ in the past in order to judge what they might be capable of in the present ;

    Rotary Engine perhaps

    No…… Wankel designed it an NSU brought them to market well before Mazda even considered using them . FYI Mazda was also in all the years they used them , NEVER able to fix the main foibles of the Rotary . Still haven’t to this day in fact . Improved on the problems slightly but never fixed them

    Small Affordable Sports Car ?

    No…….. The Brits were there before Mazda was even hatched , and the MX5 is just an updated Lotus Elan ( albeit a darn good one )

    So …… Pray Tell . Just what HAS Mazda ever innovated ?

    Answer ?

    Nada .

    ———

    @HtG Score on the ‘ Television ‘ reference

    And ahhhhhh lets say dinner in The City , winners choice .

  34. pedro fernandez Says:

    Re. Mazda and the Miata, they took the British small sporty car idea and improved it, much like the rest of the Japanese auto industry has always done, taken someone else’s idea and improved it. The minivan, small pickup, 4 door sedan, FWD, subcompact cars. assembly line car manufacturing, etc/

  35. T. Bejma Says:

    #34

    Totally agree with you Pedro – wow, that doesn’t happen very often ;-)

    Can’t think of one innovative thing to come out of any Asia-Pacific country… Hmmm… Karaoke?

  36. pedro fernandez Says:

    Sake? Sushi?

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Sumo wrestling?

  38. tj Martin Says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/business/center-for-automotive-research-predicts-sharp-gain-in-auto-jobs.html?ref=automobiles

    Geeze , I hope this is true . But then again I hope we’ll get a congress that can claim half a brain , a president with with a modicum of ( not so ) common sense , cars with zero blind spots and no distracting electronics , music that’s worht listening to on major radio , TV shows worth the time and effort to watch , drivers that actually know how to … drive etc etc etc ……………..

    Which is to say …… I’ll bet hard against this one ( NYTimes article ) as well

  39. pedro fernandez Says:

    Rickshaws? Dogs as delicacies?

  40. tj Martin Says:

    @ pedro , Kit & T

    Ummm . Errrr. Hmmmn . ( scratch scratch ) Duhhhhhh. Well maybe ………. no not that either ………….. is it ? ……… once again …… hmmmmmmn ……..

    Nope ! Can’t think of a thing myself either , at least automotive and technology wise .

    FYI Karaoke is just a variation on sing along LP’s from the US and Britain . So not that either . Sushi ? Seriously how much development does it take to eat a fish raw ? More lazy if you ask me . Sake ? Not hardly . Thats just a variation on Vodka from the Russian Steps done with rice cause thats what they had . Nope ! Not a thing ;-)

  41. tj Martin Says:

    @ pedro

    everybody but europeans and possibly native americans eat or have eaten ( urp … mighty fine poodle there dear ) .. dog

    rickshaws being a poor mans chariot , not having a horse to pull the damn thing

  42. tj Martin Says:

    …….. cause they ate it :o

  43. pedro fernandez Says:

    Most people think things like DVD and HDTV and even VHS were all invented over there, not the case, once again they adapted, perfected and made it so that most people could afford it cheaper variants of it. High end stuff not included, of course. Notice most high end audio comes from Europe and USA, am I right TJ?

  44. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    On that there wager mien freund

    Don’t worry I’ll be kind ( in my choice of boit ) I really do not care for Sushi so the really expensive places ( Mamafuko etc ) are off the list .

    It’ll be for one only as well . Your ultimate punishment being watching me pig out while gloating madly . ” Told You So ” emanating between mouthfuls

  45. HtG Says:

    buddhism, taoism, gunpowder, haiku, blue light diodes, manga, godzilla, seven samurai, very sharp swords, walkman, vhs, here’s a list of Japanese Nobel laureates…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_Nobel_laureates

    Everybody stand up straight now.

  46. pedro fernandez Says:

    Hey I thought Sake was made from rice, vodka from wheat! TJ you’re killing this Cubano, man! BTW Kim K today issued a statement saying she had NOT had an affair with Herman Hefner Cain! Ru Paul has not made any allegations either.

  47. pedro fernandez Says:

    VHS, they basically took magnetic recording tape and packaged in a way that it was easy to use and manufacture, ditto for the cassette, even though audiophiles always preferred reel to reel.

  48. tj Martin Says:

    @ pedro

    # 44

    Thats what the very Japanese CEO of Sony I broke bread with awhile ago stated . Doing so very clearly and emphatically . His entire home HiFi was all US/UK/CH

    Everything in my system is French ( damn French ) British and Swiss ( I prefer the Euro stuff as its biased towards smaller spaces and has a shorter throw [ sound doesn't travel as far ] as the American stuff …. which is fantastic if you like living in larger spaces which we do not )

    FYI all you mentioned in # 43 was in fact invented here in the good ol US of A . Damn we’ve lost the program of late !

  49. HtG Says:

    47 the innovation for VHS was an obliquely oriented read write head. This allowed for lower width tape, and the small machines that took over the world.

  50. tj Martin Says:

    Buddhism – India

    Blue Light diodes – EU

    Godzilla – Variation on US children’s dinosaur books and comis books

    Manga – See above

    Sharp swords – No clear land of origin

    Walkman – Variation of the cassette thats from CH originally ( and in fact it was a German company that created the first walkman like device which the Japs them stole . And I do mean stole )

    VHS – Good ol US of A

    Seven Samurai – Just a fable like any other

    Nope HtG . Nada !

  51. tj Martin Says:

    Phillips was there first ( digital Read/Write ) with audio recording which was then adapted to video by I think it was RCA , which then Sony tried to usurp with their BetaMax and we all know how that went don’t we .

    ( FYI HtG my room mate in collage was a Matsushita [ Panasonic heir ] so these stories i know from both sides )

  52. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #46,
    I thought vodka was made from potatoes.

  53. HtG Says:

    blue light diode and laser made a reality in Japan. The guy toiled, as others thought he’d never succeed. From Wikihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laser

    In 1992 Japanese inventor Shuji Nakamura invented the first efficient blue LED, and four years later, the first blue laser. Nakamura used the material deposited on the sapphire substrate, although the number of defects remained too high (106–1010/cm2) to easily build a high-power laser.

    ————
    tj, are referring to Howard S. as the exec?

  54. tj Martin Says:

    FYI Panasonic got almost 99% of their technology from Phillips back in the day when Phillips was still an EU corporation . CD’s as well .

  55. HtG Says:

    52 Tito’s is made from corn

  56. cwolf Says:

    Tofu?

    How about the little paper umbrellas used in mixed drinks?

  57. tj Martin Says:

    #53

    Huh ?

    If you’re talking about the Sony guy , no he was very very ( velly ) Japanese . Head of Sony Audio at the time .

    As for Wikipedia I take everything they say as a basis for research only , never taking their word as fact until proven so .

    At least 65% of the time I find they’re dead wrong .. the other 35% is usually laced with errors of one sort or another .

    FYI The Mrs and I NEVER allowed our students to use Wikipedia for their papers as footnotes and references and in fact they’d get em handed back with a two day deadline to revise if they tried or we proved they had

  58. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #50,
    Philips, a Dutch company came up with the compact cassette we all know.

  59. pedro fernandez Says:

    Cwolf those were invented by my people, come on man, give us some credit, we didn’t just invent coca and marijuana man! we also did the mambo, cha cha, rumba, all excuses NOT to actually do any work!

  60. tj Martin Says:

    VODKA – Wheat , Barely or other grains until Potatoes were brought back from the new world ( us )

    Corn is a recent thing in Vodka

    Sake is made from Rice

  61. HtG Says:

    57 I only used the Wiki because it was fast. I’ll stand by the fact.

  62. tj Martin Says:

    @ pedro

    Ya did it again mi amigo

    Sent me home for the day laughing my _____ off

    :o ;O

  63. tj Martin Says:

    #58

    Phillips done did the CD as well

  64. Kit Gerhart Says:

    About 90% of the time wikipedia is right, but yeah, they’re not a valid source for scholarly papers.

  65. pedro fernandez Says:

    Sapeaking of high end audio, a few months ago I met an audiophile (nut) all his equipment came from Europe except the speakers were from California, I think the only thing from Japan was the internet thingy where he gets his music, instead of FM. Turntable Italian, amps from some Scandinavian country etc, Oh, the cartridge and needles were from Japan, cables US he spend more on cables than I have in electronics in all my life.

  66. HtG Says:

    shuji nakamura

    http://archive.sciencewatch.com/jan-feb2000/sw_jan-feb2000_page3.htm

  67. cwolf Says:

    perdro,I always thought your people did all those booty movements to facilitate machete use while cutt’in cane so they could make more rum!

  68. cwolf Says:

    Or you did those many dances because Cuba’s temps made the asphalt too hot to stand on.

  69. pedro fernandez Says:

    Actually, it’s more like foreplay! But you have a good theory: shake your booty while swinging your machete to cut the cane to make the ethanol to drive the car to take you to the dance to do the foreplay and then the horizontal wango tango! The machete, I’ll never look it the same way!

  70. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I have some “vintage” high end vinyl record playing equipment, and it’s European, a Thorens turntable, SME arm, and Ortofon cartridge.

  71. cwolf Says:

    I now know the reason! It’s because of hemoroidal itch!!

  72. Rafi N Says:

    How could one apply for those assembly-line jobs, and what are the qualifications?

    Also, John, you are the only one reporting on the very BIG NEWS that the US is exporting more fuel than it’s importing. Why isn’t this the headline news? After all, aren’t most of our wars and problems dependent upon our dependence on foreign oil? This is a big news story and shame on the so-called news networks for not reporting it.

    LOL at the Hover-round video!!!

  73. pedro fernandez Says:

    Oh, we also invented Prep H suppositories.

  74. HtG Says:

    Alors, qui etait le banque ce matin? SocGen, BNP, ou Credit Agricole? Reveillez-vous, cherie.

  75. cwolf Says:

    @Rafi #72: Three suppliers in my home town hired workers by offering one app. to each worker for family or friend or by a plant posting that apps will be available at the gate. Only takes one day,two if lucky, to pass out every single one.

  76. Rafi N Says:

    @cwolf#75: Thanks! I’ve been to the different automakers sites and have tried, but I guess you have to know people to get into the good jobs.

    Also, WHY IS IT THAT MOST COMMENTS HERE ARE NOT ABOUT THE VERY BIG NEWS THAT USA IS NOW EXPORTING MORE FUEL THAN IT IMPORTS???? Is that not a really big news story, or am I being too dramatic? Also, if we still have a need for fuel, as others have said, why is it that we are exporting it instead of using the fuel ourselves and cutting most of, if not all, imports of fuel???? Why?

  77. cwolf Says:

    You forgot to add Pedro Bismol! Why didn’t you say you were an inventor?

  78. HtG Says:

    76 Rafi, it was a big story in WSJ today. John got it right. I wouldn’t call what gets the comments going to be the same as the most important story of the day. Did you see this article from the Telegraph? “rumours that a top European bank was in trouble and could not raise money.” Now that is important.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8927148/Britain-has-entered-second-credit-crunch-confirms-Downing-Street.html

    hug your pillow Rafi

  79. cwolf Says:

    Rafi,some people believe the average”joe” dosen’t need to know such things. You should also be asking why they want to run an oil pipe line from Canada to the US just so it can go to China! It’s a helleva lot closer if the line ended on Canada’s western coast. But its OK to run the thing through vital land areas of the US so it can be said that jobs are created by BIG OIL, eventhough temporary.

  80. pedro fernandez Says:

    No man, because it’s pink, I would not invent anything pink, besides in the old country if you get the runs, guava works wonders and it tastes better and it’s natural!

  81. pedro fernandez Says:

    It’ no wonder the freaking oil companies make so much money, not just here but all over the world.

  82. HtG Says:

    Everyone should be getting drunk, now. Europe may blow, but there are funny other people to laugh about. No offense.

    http://bigthink.com/ideas/24357?page=all

  83. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #82,
    I’m drinking Guinness at the local Irish pub.

  84. NathanDM78 Says:

    Saab at their peak sold lets be generous, 120K vehicles per year. Saab’s been in business since 1937, always selling to a small, specific segment. Saab’s been a pioneer in safety, turbocharging, environmental concerns and design. Saab will never be a common dime a dozen for the masses car company. If it were, it wouldn’t be a Saab. Saab’s build quality, reliability, performance, passenger and pedestrian safety, environmental consideration, design, and product lineup right now is better than it ever has been. If Saab has managed to thrive and develop such amazing vehicles and only sell 120K vehicles per year and not die, they will surely survive their current struggles. It’s journalists like you Mr. McElroy who’s trusted word is killing off Saab. Not Saab’s internal struggles. Instead of telling us about a car manufacturers poor quality, poor reliability, poor dealer satisfaction ratings, etc as reasons why not to buy a new vehicle, you give us an ignorant personal forecast and a chintzy owners manual as your personal reasons of why not to buy a Saab. Until you know absolutely 100% without a doubt that a car company is going to become defunct, STFU with your predictions. Respectfully, Nathan.

  85. wheelstand Says:

    Just watched episode 777; why in the world are we exporting ethanol, gas, and diesel when the prices are choking our wallets? (Yes Iknow Europe and other countries are paying more than we are.) The VW concept looks great inside and out. I don’t see the comparison you made though.

  86. tj Martin Says:

    I keep telling you guys !

    Drop the cheap Vodka , pretentious Irish beer that isn’t , Sake and for the love of god , any of those frilly girly Sex in the City drinks that no man should be seen in public imbibing

    Stranahams Colorado Sipping Whiskey

    Makes most cognacs taste like chemical waste

    Nary a Single Malt Scotch can compare

    Goes down smooth as silk

    Pairs beautifully with a fine cigar ( hint hint pedro )

    Oh wait . You guys all live in the wrong end of the country , so’s you can’t have none !

    Nnnnnnnnnnnn 8)

    ————-

    @ HtG Read the NYTimes article yesterday on what might happen with the Euro and the EU ?

    My money’s on several members of the EU going their separate ways and the Euro no longer being the Currency of choice through out the continent . CH ( Switzerland for those uninitiated ) regaining its status as the # 1 Economy on the continent , Germany crashing and burning of its own doing and the Swiss Franc becoming the dominant currency outside the Dollar .

    Just a guess , but I think its pretty plausible

  87. pedro fernandez Says:

    While we pay attention to the economic woes all around the world, Wash Post article reveals China’s massive underground network of tunnels built to hide their massive nuclear missile arsenal, Why? Why do they need to have this overwhelming amount of nukes while US and Russia dismantle theirs? My fears for many years of China becoming the world’s bully who can overtake and swallow lesser neighbors like Formosa,S. Korea and Japan while we can only condemn and engage in useless economic blockades which will not work since we need them more than they need us.

  88. tj Martin Says:

    @ pedro

    To put it more succinctly : and in direct contradiction to all our Government would like us to believe ;

    CHINA is NOT our Friend

    Never has been

    Never will be

  89. HtG Says:

    tj, nice to see that you’re awake. I saved this article about General Tso and his ‘chicken’ for you.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-30/obama-invokes-cold-war-security-powers-to-unmask-chinese-telecom-spyware.html

  90. pedro fernandez Says:

    TJ I blame both parties for this, Nixon started it and it just kept rolling along with no one complaining as long as we can buy $10 toasters and $30 DVD players at Wal-mart, everything is peachy.

  91. pedro fernandez Says:

    #86 87 with a friend like this, who needs enemies?

  92. tj Martin Says:

    And to close out our discussion yesterday about all the Orient HAS NOT invented ;

    At least when the Japanese COPY something , they take the time and effort to improve upon that they are copying , nine times out of ten making it much better than the original

    Whereas ; The Chinese when copying are only concerned with finding the quickest and cheapest route to manufacturing , 99.999% of the time making it ten times worse and a hell of a lot less reliable than the original they’re copying

    Korea ? Heck other than the looks and the marketing strategy they can’t get anything right , especially in the area of quality : masking their lack of quality by blinding the consumer with extras and add ons that don’t much work either

    Conclusion ?

    Japan= Unoriginal but good

    China = Blatant Copycats and very bad , as well as dangerous

    Korea = Again blatant copycats ( Xerox must make a fortune from the Koreans ) but loaded up with junk to make themselves at least seem , to the unobservant , good

  93. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    Ye of Little Faith

    I’m up at the crack of dawn ( 5:50 am )

  94. pedro fernandez Says:

    TJ the only product I’ve seen come out of China that would be desirable, is a vacuum tube CD player that no one else seems to manufacture and has been hailed by audiophiles.

  95. tj Martin Says:

    # 87

    Oh HtG …. the stories I could tell you …. if I was allowed to tell the stories I could tell .

    Suffice it to say your link is barely , as I’ve said on another subject . the Seagull guano on the Tip of the Top of the Iceberg

    A small hint I can reveal ;

    There are more Chinese spies in yours and my backyard at this very minute than there are radical muslim terrorists in the entire NA continent . And you can take that one to the bank

  96. HtG Says:

    91 just teasing. I can’t tell if I’m awake or asleep anymore. This arthouse flick from Euroland better have a happy ending.

  97. HtG Says:

    93 for years I’ve seen a building on the west side across from the piers that’s a residence hall for Chinese nationals. And I’ve thought to myself, HtG, now what in H-E-double-tooth-pics could those people be doing?

  98. tj Martin Says:

    @ pedro

    So true . That is the one place China does well . Old school technology e.g. Vacuum Tubes , Steam Engine parts etc .

    Errr. But if its the CD player I’m thinking of that was designed by a Westerner and then sent to China for manufacture

    When , like Apple the Western company overseas and controls all aspect of manufacturing in China ( YBA stereo is another great example ) they are capable of putting out quality goods

    But when its a Chinese controlled company , or a Western company that doesn’t rule over the manufacturing with and Iron Fist its all junk

    @ HtG FYI I posted on that link you put up

  99. HtG Says:

    95 and other days, I look at that black glass building on the upper west side, on whose first floor Potamkin Cadillac used to be, and across from CBS, and thought to myself, citizen, I know just what those people are doing.

  100. tj Martin Says:

    # 94

    Happy ending ?

    H-E-double toothpicks I’ll be happy if its at least not a totally destructive ending .

    From what the CH Grey Phantom cousins are saying , it aint gonna be pretty for a whole lot of folks for quite awhile .

    Need that drink now mien freund ? Too early for me but ……..

  101. Kit Gerhart Says:

    @pedro, #85
    The U.S. and Russia still have enough nukes to destroy the planet many times over, and now China is part of the equation. Yeah, it’s kind of scary. We, and the Russians just invade places like Iraq and Afghanastan which no ones cares much about, but if China decides to invade Japan, things could be a lot different.

  102. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    #’s 95 & 97

    Not to be paranoid or anything , but you might want to look a little closer to home , ignoring the obvious ( because obviously it is )

    ;-)

  103. tj Martin Says:

    #99

    China has been part of the equation for the last four decades

    Its just that now you’re reading more about it

  104. HtG Says:

    at least the Middle Kingdom has India, Russia, and the muslim populations keeping them up at night. Did I hear someone shout internal stability? Now that’s not polite.

  105. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #101,
    Yeah, they had nukes four decades ago, but not many, and little capability to deliver them.

  106. HtG Says:

    100 did you follow the story about spyware on mobile phones? http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-rootkit-of-all-evil-ciq/

    Or how Apple was informed about a security hole in its itunes updater, which allowed third parties to load GI software on a computer? And that they waited two years to do anything about it? Hmmmm, could I ask the mrs about that one, tj?

  107. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    #104 Can you ask ? Sure . Will she answer ? _____ No !

    Smart Phone spyware ? Been tryin to tell you about that for weeks mien freund . Its easier to hack into your cell phone or laptop ( on Wifi ) than it is to walk in an open door , if you’ve the skills and bits to do so .

    You seen the data on the amount of amazon accounts that have been hacked into and usurped ? No as a matter of fact you haven’t as the press is remaining silent about it

    Suffice it to say one of the Mrs underlings had their Kindle hacked into , not once , but twice ( after changing acct #’s passwords etc ) and had over $2500 of books and movies purchased by the hacker as well as all the content of her Kindle . And that person is only one of many being reported

    How ? Well I can tell you this . Seems there’s a little bug in place in almost all Kindles sold in the US . Hmmmmmmn .

  108. HtG Says:

    105 I only didn’t want to chat about this stuff. I know. Military intel is an interest. I also own shares of ARM Holdings, which designs the processors for most mobile devices on earth. Years ago, in a public filing, they listed among their licensees, some entities they would not disclose. It doesn’t take a genius.

    Kindle. ‘a bug in place’ So Debbie in Russia knows about this one?

  109. HtG Says:

    106 Here’s a nice book for you, tj.

    http://www.amazon.com/Delusions-Intelligence-Enigma-Secure-Ciphers/dp/0521855225

    $1.53 for a used one

  110. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    ” Kindle. ‘a bug in place’ So Debbie in Russia knows about this one?”

    Huh ? Debbie ??

    Intel they ‘ would not disclose ‘ Yeah I just love it when companies spew that or the ‘ Need to Know ‘ line at you , expecting you to just accept they have you’re best interests at heart with said Non discloser and Need to Know tid bits . You betcha ! My best interests indeed !

    I’ll assume you’re following the Brit Tabloid Celebrity Cell Phone hacking story ? ( which proves out my claims )

    FYI; And yes I can say this . I’ve a bit of a James Bond ( Intel both military and ….. ) thing in my ‘ other interests ‘ closet as well . More than just a casual interest in fact . Hmmmmn.

  111. tj Martin Says:

    Intel Rule #1

    ( and the main one to always remember )

    ANY code created by a human being : or by a machine created by a human being ;

    CAN AND WILL BE BROKEN BY ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AND/OR HIS/HER MACHINE – Inevitably

    There are no exceptions . No matter what the Wonks would have you believe .

    8)

  112. HtG Says:

    108 Debbie. I think this is from some tv ad. Some guy in Russia pretending to be customer service. I wondered who knew about the Kindle bug. Was the person your wife knows doing anything silly with the Kindle? weak password, public wifi? Or are we all just babes in the woods?

    tabs. Yes, it’s delicious. that’s what I meant yesterday by Rupert being on Slow Roast.

  113. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    The Kindle person is an underling to the Mrs but is fully informed , responsible and knows the protocols

    So no , it was the ‘ Bug ‘ just doing its thing . And yes we’re just a target waiting to be hit

    The ‘bug’ was recently discovered after multiple hacking’s to those ( ahem ) by _______ ? But like the Apple bug this probably won’t hit the news for quite some time or at least till after Xmas ( three guesses why )

    Like the Apple bug don’t assume no ones doing anything about it , but rather assume its being kept from the press for various reasons .

    The ‘ real ‘ question when it comes to all these bugs , be it cellphone spyware etc is , did the bug come from Chiang Tao’s Cyber Monkees or the round eyed ‘ Men in Black ‘ ?

    FYI I love those TV Ads ( bank rewards )

  114. HtG Says:

    my Kindle Fire recently got an update. I read something about it, but can’t remember. The Fire truly is a charge it machine in your lap.

    BTW did you ever see the films A Very British Coup or Sleepers? Tuck in.

  115. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    Roasted Rupert Murdoch

    I’ll have mine with a side of slaw , medium rare and a Black Butte Porter to wash it down with .

    On second though … better make that three BBP’s with a Fernet Branca afterwards . Roasted Rupert from what I hear is quite tasty but a bit difficult to digest .

  116. tj Martin Says:

    # 114

    No to AVBC and a big yes to ” Sleepers ” I’s a big WA fan

    You ever seen the movie ‘ Children of Men ” ?

    That’ll give you nightmares for a week

    The Mrs and I , IF all goes KaBoom ,want to be ‘Jasper’ minus the drugs and Alzheimer .

  117. HtG Says:

    115 What may be interesting is if the hacking happened here. There’s a story out there that Fox had a room in the basement on 6th avenue from which they conducted operations. Should be timed for the general election.

  118. HtG Says:

    CoM. with Clive Owen? It’s good? AVBC, you must

    Jasper. Afraid I don’t know what that means

  119. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    ‘ Jasper ‘ was the character that was Clive’s dad , the reclusive Hippy hiding as far away from everything as he could until his son needed his help .

    What gets me every time we watch CoM is during the entire movie you keep asking yourself not ‘ How could this happen ‘ but rather ‘ Why wouldn’t things come to this ? ‘

    Seriously …. minus the disease we’re what ……. maybe ten steps away from that becoming reality ? So how much of a ‘ trigger ‘ would it take to get us there ? Not much IMHO.

  120. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    I assume AVBC is available on DVD ?

  121. tj Martin Says:

    118

    BWTM No its not just ‘ good ‘ its absolutely outstanding and frightening as all Hades . One of the very rare cases where the film is better than the book .

    Question ( on a more pleasant note ) You read ” Go Like Hell ” yet ?

    If so ,worth the price of entry ? ( a friend i recommended the Phil Hill book to just recommended it to me )

  122. HtG Says:

    AVBC is available at Netflix, so yes to Dvd.

    Go Like Hell. uh oh, that’ll have to go on the list.

  123. MRMAN Says:

    Some of you are missing the fine point…we are not producing more oil than we import! We are exporting more refined petroleum products than we import. This means things like plastic, gasoline, diesel, ethanol, and oil etc..