AD #2067 – Lucid Clears Up Pricing Confusion, Hybrid Acura MDX Details, Honda’s Realistic Sales Target for Clarity

March 16th, 2017 at 12:04pm

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- Ford Adding Pedestrian Protection w/ Auto Brake
- Demon’s Torque Reserve System
- Lucid Sets Aggressive Starting Price
- Acura Adds Hybrid to MDX Lineup
- Jaguar I-PACE Hits the Streets of London
- Leasing Honda’s Fuel Cell Clarity
- Price of Hydrogen Coming Down

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16 Comments to “AD #2067 – Lucid Clears Up Pricing Confusion, Hybrid Acura MDX Details, Honda’s Realistic Sales Target for Clarity”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Honda fuel cell car sounds like an interesting toy, for those people who live next door to one of the handful of available fueling stations. It will be interesting to hear feedback as the cars hit the road.

  2. Chuck Grenci Says:

    No joy on the video presentation, had to read the transcript:

    Why do so many newest and greatest features debut somewhere else (this time Europe) from our own home-grown manufacturers.

    A little confusing on the hydrogen article; one kilogram equals a gallon, five kilograms for the Honda tank and 366 range. Some mixed comparisons, but I’m guessing that the hydrogen vehicle gets 70+ miles per gallon H2.

  3. Lisk Says:

    Ok, here’s my Dodge Demon’s numbers guess. 3.9= 3.9L supercharger. 2.21=the supercharger’s pulley ratio; 15,000 rpm supercharger divided by 2.21 is roughly 6,800 rpm. 405 is boost pressure in inches of mercury. 405 divided by 29.95 standard day inches works out to about 13.5 psi of boost. My answer is based on the SWAG theory. Scientific Wild – Ass Guess. :)

  4. George Ricci Says:

    The cost of Hydrogen is not the issue. As you mention is only a handful of refueling stations in the San Francisco Bay area and another handful in the LA area. If you’re an environmentalist and want to buy green, Hydrogen is NOT the answer. ? Making Hydrogen is very energy intensive and in the US, 95% of all Hydrogen is made by burning fossil fuel. So much for zero emissions.

    A Hydrogen fuel cell car has everything that an electric car has: batteries, electric motor(s), and motor controller. In addition you have to add fuel cell, fuel cell controller, and storage tanks. Where are you going to put all this stuff and still have room for people and what they want to bring with them? So you end up with a large heavy car, that is expensive and has poor driving dynamics.

    I will be test driving the Honda Clarity tomorrow and will report back my observations.

  5. Drew Says:

    My guess – 3.9 = 0-60mph time; 221 = the distance needed to attain 60mph from a standstill; 405 = CID.

  6. MJB Says:

    I’m just not feeling the design of that Toyota Clarity – especially the rear quarter with it’s cowls. Ughh! Eye of the beholder…

  7. Lex Says:

    I still say if you put the Chevy Volt’s Power plant into a Chevy Equinox and GMC Terrain you would see faster adoption of EV technology.
    Drivers today do not want to be shoe horned into their vehicles. The current size and portions of most EVs is not attractive to the majority of Americans. What ever came out of the test marketed Chevy Equinox’s that ran on CNG? Did GM ever produce a report on the program?

    The Honda Clarity is DOA especially if you factor in the cost of it’s fuel and the limited sources and lack of completion from producers.

  8. Lex Says:

    I believe Mr. Carlos Ghosn will breathe new life into Mitsubishi Motors. Mr. Ghosn can create a new three pointed trident between Renault, Nissan and Mitsubishi. By consolidating vehicle platforms, manufacturing plants and suppliers between these three brands he will create a stronger organization. He must not fall into the cloning bind as GM is historically been known to do. This could be the crowning achievement of his career IMHO.

  9. Roger T Says:

    #1 & #4 – Completely agree. If your numbers are right the Clarity gets 73 miles per kilo, so a kilo is not equivalent to a gallon of gas. At $10/kilo the cost to drive 366 miles would be $50. A vehicle that gets 20MPG (gas at $3.50/gal) would cost $64 to drive 366 miles.

    Problem really is that you drive 366 miles and you’re stuck there, who would want such a car?

  10. Joe Pastor Says:

    #’s 1, 4, & 9:. All great points re: the clarity. I think Honda is simply trying to create a market for this dud to justify what must have been a huge r&d investment. Why would this iconic company throw good $ at such a bad idea?

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 While tall wagons are “hot” in the American market, I suspect part of the reason we don’t see an Equinox/Terrain Volt, is that being much heavier and draggier than the Volt, it would need a much bigger battery to have the same electric range as the Volt hatchback, so would be quite pricey. Also, with about 150 hp, it would be kind of slow, relative to most of today’s vehicles. Maybe there would be a market for 50K+ Equinoxes, but I’d think the market would be small.

    The discussion of Mitsubishi made me curious about how well they do in their home market. While they are a very distant 8th in sales in Japan, they do better than in the U.S. Another interesting thing I found, is that, in 2016, Jeep was the top selling American brand in Japan, at 20th.

    http://www.best-selling-cars.com/japan/2016-full-year-japan-best-selling-car-manufacturers-brands/

  12. Mitchel DeJesus Says:

    Honda Clarity, yes the fuel price is high & that hurts the pocket book but I truly believe it’s more the body design of the vehicle. The body design looks like an after thought or they were half way on the design & a rush was put on it without thought. Honda makes superb engines without question but they’ve always been soft on their body designs for the most part. Kudos for Honda on moving ahead with hydrogen.

    Mitchel

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Hydrogen has about 3 times the energy density of gasoline, by mass, but gasoline has about 6 times the energy density, by volume, of hydrogen compressed to 700 bar, about 10,000 psi. The bottom line, is that we won’t see many hydrogen powered vehicles any time soon. For hydrogen vehicles to make any sense at all, the hydrogen would need to be electrolyzed from water, using renewable sources of electricity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density

  14. Ziggy Says:

    Is it just me or does the Lucid Air look like what Robocop would drive in the future? That front end just reminds me of him for some reason.

  15. Ukendoit Says:

    7) I agree, the demand for CUV/SUVs should indicate to manufacturers how they could start selling more EVs. I think Kit has a point too, but people would be willing to pay more for a more substantial vehicle. I think FCA has the right idea with the Pacifica plug in (and Portal). There is more room in a bigger vehicle for more batteries & range. Anything with electric power has instant torque, so even with low HP, it has the perceived feeling of “quick” being quick off the line even if its not fast.

  16. Lex Says:

    @ #11 Hi Kit, How does Tesla do it than with it’s Model X and almost 400hp? I remember hearing that the electric motors in aTesla only weigh 70 lbs. People will pay more for smart technology as long as it is reasonable. Yes a CUV like the Chevy Equinox and GMC Terrain could carry larger batteries but the range extending gas motor would be it’s secret weapon to alleviate range anxiety. A ten gallon gas tank would also reduce vehicle weight. Being bigger and heavier the re-gen braking might be a bit more robust in recharging the batteries especially going down hill.

    @ # 15, Hi Ukendoit, If FCA could build the Pacifica plug in than I would think GM with all it’s experience beginning with the EV1 to the present day Volt and Bolt could build a “Better Mouse Trap”!