AD #2322 – SF Motors Touts 1,000 HP, Bullitt Is a Pricey Mustang, Pros and Cons of Design Clinics

March 30th, 2018 at 11:23am

Runtime: 7:30

0:30 Tesla Suspends Model S & X Production
0:49 Uber Settles Out of Court
1:02 World Sales Drop
1:23 VW Considers Truck IPO
2:15 SF Motors Touts 1,000 HP
2:56 Bullitt Is a Pricey Mustang
3:17 EU Mandates eCall
4:17 Are Design Clinics Helpful?

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20 Comments to “AD #2322 – SF Motors Touts 1,000 HP, Bullitt Is a Pricey Mustang, Pros and Cons of Design Clinics”

  1. Ziggy Says:

    Since you have to pay destination charges no matter where you live or how close you are to an assembly plant, why isn’t the cost just baked into the base price of the car to begin with, as in just add it to the MSRP to start with? Why is it always broken out to show exactly how much it is?

  2. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    EV auto makers….how about you give us a vehicle with 300hp and 1000mile range instead of the opposite?? I’ll bet ya you would sell 100 times the amount of cars you do now. That 300 mile range is probably under non realistic conditions. As from you show yesterday “Afer Hours” people just don’t want electric or hybrid vehicles.

  3. MJB Says:

    Very interesting point made by one of your AAH panel guests, “If a design is polarizing, you know you’re on the right track. If everybody likes it, it’ll get old fast.”

    As much as many on this forum dislike the spindle grille Lexus has chosen to hang their hat on (which I happen to like), this statement should help explain why they have stayed with it. In fact, if you look back at the evolution of the spindle, it’s actually gotten more pronounced and ‘radicalized’ as design iterations progress.

    In fact, just keep an eye out for other mfrs getting more bold with their grilles…;)

  4. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    The price for the 2019 Bullitt Mustang seems too high above the GT V8. Sales figures will tell the story but I think many once they think about the price jump, will go back to the GT. Imagine if they offered the same green color on the GT. Opps…don’t want to do that…do we.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    If Tesla has production process and quality issues throwing more bodies at the line won’t help produce more cars. They will just not produce model S and X. I understand Elon not wanting to do things like all the other automakers and wanting to take a new and fresh approach but sometimes 100+ years of making cars you perfect a few things. What will happen is they will have people doing jobs they weren’t doing last week and create more quality issues. Deviating from standard process creates most quality issues.

    Does SF motors have dealerships or are they partnered with another established dealer network? Guess we didn’t force the Chinese maker SF to partner with an American company like they do to US makers selling in China. Just saying

  6. Chuck Grenci Says:

    #2, Fred
    Exactly what I was thinking. 300 hp is plenty (for most, especially if your thinking ‘eco’ and electric); make a vehicle that would cover 95 percentile that one would drive in one day (say on vacation) and then you open up the market for mass distribution.

    Mustang Bullitt: Wow, I really like the color (but the Mustang enthusiasts will eat this up). I’m a Camaro guy (maybe I should have just shut-up). :)

  7. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    6 Chuck I hope they do buy loads of the Bullitt…in a few years there will be plenty used with a few miles for us bargain hunters. Na Camaro guys are needed to keep the pony car wars hot…without us those cars would become dull and go away.

  8. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    Oh when I get one I am way overdue for a speeding ticket.

  9. Roger Blose Says:

    The Bullitt price will be much higher with dealer market adjustments. Most dealers will not sell these cars at list. Do love the Highland green color.

  10. Lisk Says:

    Elon needs to take a step back, take deep breath, hire some folks in the factory that know how to build cars at a factory level, if that’s really is the problem. If it’s not the problem, then Elon could still blame then and go back to business as usual. This has been a train wreck since it was announced he had plans to build the Model 3,
    I don’t know how Tesla is going to make it out the second quarter without any fresh infusion of cash, and since they won’t report financials until early May, it will be near the end of the second quarter before any new filings for more money could be ready? I saw today’s new spin- SpaceX is going to deploy over 4,000 satellites for his new space based broadband network. Actually, like everything else he does – it’s a genuinely great idea, but who’s turning it into reality?

  11. Don B. Says:

    Ecall, OnStar might have a nee home in Europe.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2. It’s easy to make fast EV’s, but given the watt hours per pound of today’s batteries, it is not easy make long range EV’s. That’s what plug-in hybrids are about. They will do most commutes on plug in power, but have long range when needed.

  13. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    One type of battery technology that may hold the future of EV’s is the fluid exchange cell. I’ve heard about before. Here is a link to an article that talks about it.

  14. Albemarle Says:

    One characteristic of electric motors I believe, is they pretty well draw the energy they need, regardless of size. So if they put in 300 hp, not 1,000 hp, the range wouldn’t change much on the EPA cycle.

    With most regions producing electricity using some fossil fuels, how long will it be before there are mpge standards for electric cars? Although much less of a problem than ice engines, I can’t imagine a bureaucrat passing up the opportunity.

  15. omegatalon Says:

    Tesla shareholders should sell their stock now because his is just the beginning for Tesla as things will only get progressively worst when Europe begins building electrified versions of their luxury sedans.

  16. omegatalon Says:

    Chevrolet’s Bolt uses a 200 horsepower electric motor meaning Chevrolet could be a vehicle featuring all-wheel-drive and 800hp (a 200 hp electric motor at each wheel).

  17. Bob Wilson Says:

    #3 “If a design is polarizing, you know you’re on the right track. If everybody likes it, it’ll get old fast.”

    Prius owners are snickering.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #17 Yep, Prius styling is timeless, especially the gen 2.

  19. Bob Wilson Says:

    The link points to the original article:

    “Tesla Goes Bankrupt
    Palo Alto, California, April 1m 2018 –
    Despite intense efforts to raise money,
    including a last-ditch mass sale of Easter
    Eggs, we are sad to report that Tesla has
    gone completely and totally bankrupt.
    So bankrupt, you can’t believe it.”

    Bob Wilson

  20. BobD Says:

    #1 – The destination charge is separate because most OEMs (GM is one of the exceptions) like to advertise their prices excluding them to make them sound cheaper. Just like cell phone plans that advertise $40/month, then stick you with another $10-15 in other fees.

    Also, I do believe the destination charges are supposed to reflect the true average price for delivering the vehicle. If you live close to an assembly plant, then you are helping to subsidize an owner who lives much further away.

    Finally, GM and others sells a lot of their vehicles to employees/suppliers at fixed discounts, but the destination charges are the same to all customers regardless of who is buying.