AD #2371 – Kia Unveils Electric Niro, Nissan Kicks Driving Impressions, German Unions Worried EVs Will Kill Jobs

June 8th, 2018 at 11:35am

Runtime: 6:50

0:28 Lincoln Nautilus Production Moving to China
0:46 Ford Management Changes in China
1:06 Ford May Close Transmission Plant in France
1:31 GM Hamtramck Plant Days Could Be Numbered
2:36 German Unions Worried EVs Will Kill Jobs
3:20 Kia Unveils Electric Niro
3:59 Toyota’s Toy Story
4:55 Nissan Kicks Driving Impressions

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31 Comments to “AD #2371 – Kia Unveils Electric Niro, Nissan Kicks Driving Impressions, German Unions Worried EVs Will Kill Jobs”

  1. Lex Says:

    I have said it at least a dozen times here in the comments section of Autoline Daily: GM needs to put the Volt’s powertrain into the Chevy Equinox, GMC Terrain and Buick Envision to fill the production gap it will face with the elimination of sedans from it’s product portfolio. Also the OEM’s need to request that the Federal Government increase (double or triple)the number of production units (vehicles)entitled to government rebates. This will increase the adaption of EV’s across the country.

  2. WineGeek Says:

    Have the US manufacturers forgotten that North America is still the largest automobile market in the world? China may be “forecast” to be the largest market eventually, but are these manufacturers who earned their profits to build the business they have today from this same North American market forgetting that the way this market became the largest in the world was by them sharing these profits they earned with their US workers so they could purchase the cars that were built here.

  3. WineGeek Says:

    #1 Lex – A strong second on your comments.

  4. Fred Schmidt Says:

    I have to buy a Japanese or European brand car built in the United States to help keep auto workers employed. Ford….the hits keep on coming.

  5. Roger Blose Says:

    Chinese Lincolns….I can’t take this any more! You have to feel really bad for the dealers as they watch their investments to support the brand slip away after all of the promises made.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1, 3 That makes sense, if the market would bear the price. To get meaningful plug-in range, those heavier, draggier vehicles would need a bigger battery than the ~18 kWh unit in the Volt, which would add to the cost. Would people pay $50K for an Equinox with the Volt powertrain, and 40 miles of battery-only range? Government rebates would help, while they last, and batteries keep getting cheaper, which would lower production cost over time.

  7. Dan Says:

    Lincoln customers would tend to be upper income and well educated. In other words smart enough to steer clear of Chinese built crud. We want it built in America.

  8. Bob White Says:

    Ford should really consider moving to China. It seems that China is the solution to all problems…

  9. Bob White Says:

    WineGeek.

    The US is no longer the largest auto market in the world and hasn’t been for many years. Not even close in fact in 2018. And the luxury market is booming.

  10. Chuck Grenci Says:

    #9 Bob,

    Paraphrasing: “It’s no door-knob either” (reference to “Caddy Shack”, but true) You don’t abandon your home market or your second largest (world) market either.

  11. Lisk Says:

    Ford’s potential closure of the French transmission plant will send shockwaves through the automotive world. This will be the first of many transmission plants should EVs really take off and the need for transmissions wanes. Perhaps there will be gearboxes at a later date, but for right now it looks like most EVs are direct drive. GM showed the Bolt’s engine/gearbox combo and it wasn’t much larger than a lawnmower engine. The electronics package was larger than the powertrain.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 Americans buy Volvos and Buicks from China.

  13. XA351GT Says:

    @ # 5 The worse part is Ford forced it’s dealerships to massive and expensive upgrades for the right to sell their vehicles and now they are going to force dealers to sell cars that cost $50K and up to customers who know that someone making less than a $5 a hour built it and that they are not supporting American workers like they thought they were.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 EV’s have reduction gearing, 7.05/1 in a Chevy Bolt and a gear differential, but no clutches, bands, etc.

  15. Fred Schmidt Says:

    how about a Chinese built Mustang. That prospect just excites the hell out of me..NOT

  16. T. Bejma Says:

    #2

    Still plenty of vehicles being built here in the US. The ones going to China are the cars that are not selling in high enough volume to keep a full plant open.

    #6

    Not to mention that the plants building Equinox and Terrain are at capacity and couldn’t handle the extra volume of the Volt powertrain version too.

  17. JWH Says:

    #8 – GM (now relabeled CM for China Motors) beat Ford to it.

  18. FSTFWRD Says:

    @#1 Why should we have any government rebates at all?? Shouldn’t the public just buy what they want and let the powertrains compete on their own merits?

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 The rebates are to “jump start” new technology. That was the reason for oil company subsidies which, absurdly, are still going on.

  20. wl simpson Says:

    Some day , this will rule— https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/TECHNOLOGY/OVERVIEW/e_power.html—
    All the 1/2 ton battery packs will be a thing of the past

  21. FSTFWRD Says:

    @19, Yes Kit, I really do know why, but is this what our government should be doing? If it is good technology, it shouldn’t need a Jump Start. I believe, but don’t know for a fact, that most owners of BE cars are not poor and really don’t need the money. Also, how many of the current owners have several cars? I would think most do because a BE car is only good for commuting and round town stuff right now, then they use another car for longer weekend trips. Thanks.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    @21 Yep, most owners of pure electrics would have other cars, but a plug-in hybrid, like Prius Prime, works well as an only car, if it has enough room for your needs. Some of us think using less fuel is a good thing, regardless of what we can “afford.”

    As you say, most buyers of EV’s probably don’t need the money, but the incentive would increase sales. Whether that is good, or bad, is a matter of opinion. To me, incentivizing EV’s makes a lot more sense than incentivizing huge SUV’s for real estate sales people, as is allowed by “section 179.”

  23. BobD Says:

    20 wl simpson – While I know you will continue to promote your support of the series EV, as many have pointed out before, series EVs are very inefficient and have lots of deficiencies. Having spent all of my professional career designing powertrains, including multiple hybrid systems, I can tell you that series EVs have very limited applications. This is the reason almost no one (Nissan excluded) is using them. Yes they are very simple (KISS), and may have a niche for small/lightweight vehicles, but they can not match pure EVs (large batteries) for performance, nor parallel hybrids for efficiency. A good analogy is the simplicity of the incandescent light bulb vs an LED bulb.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23. Thanks, Bob. Finally someone else is backing up what I’ve been saying for months. There is a reason that (almost) no one makes series hybrids.

  25. Barry Says:

    Does Trump know that Lincoln is going to import the Nautilus from China? Don’t think that would make him very happy!! LOL

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The F1 championship is getting intwresting, again.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 Isn’t a nautilus some kind of snail?

  28. Chuck Grenci Says:

    @ 27, Captain Nemo’s submarine

    And yes, it seems there is a good amount of parity in F1 with the slight waning of M/B, Ferrari stepping it up and Red Bull on the brink; it’s getting good. Even the rest of the pack is closer to the leaders (and can come into contention from time to time).

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seems McLaren still isn’t making much progress, even though they now, presumably, have the same engines as Red Bull.

  30. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Or has Haas with the Ferrari engine; they showed some promise but managed to screw themselves over a couple of times and just haven’t been able to close the deal (when running well).

  31. PHILIP Says:

    Nautilus, whilst cool for a submarine, it has to be the most awful name ever given to a car/SUV.