AD #2510 – Lexus Reveals LC Convertible Concept, Bell Nexus the Hit of CES, Cadillac To Become GM’s Tesla Fighter

January 11th, 2019 at 11:44am

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0:28 Tesla in The Headlines
1:45 Bell Nexus the Hit of CES
2:38 Ford Shuts Down Chariot
3:14 Cadillac To Become GM’s Tesla Fighter
3:42 Lexus Reveals LC Convertible Concept
4:35 NACTOY Winner Predictions

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71 Comments to “AD #2510 – Lexus Reveals LC Convertible Concept, Bell Nexus the Hit of CES, Cadillac To Become GM’s Tesla Fighter”

  1. XA351GT Says:

    If the Bell Nexus has a pilot what is the difference between it and a standard helicopter other than having 4 props? I always thought of drones as unmanned piloted vehicles or remotely piloted.

  2. XA351GT Says:

    John , do you think moving the Detroit show from Jan. to summer will be a good move? I know the weather is better but so are the choices for how to spend your time. At least at this time of the year there isn’t much else to choose from to do. I have a feeling that their attendance numbers will crater . What are everyone else’s thoughts on this?

  3. XA351GT Says:

    GM you really must a slow learner. You crashed and burned with every EV and hybrid offering to date including the rebadged Cadillac Volt. Why do they think they will get it right this time. The days of just throwing a huge price tag on something and hoping people will think it’s great are over.

  4. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Some comment on General Motors having Cadillac taking the lead on EV’s: I will not cast any derogatory remarks, especially until I/we see what GM has in mind, but I sure hope that they have studied the failure of the ELR (in this new introduction of EV’s) and have a plan to surpass the leader in the field (Tesla). I am not a Tesla fan though I do recognize the ‘standard’ of the industry (in electrics) when I see it.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Exactly. A drone is a pilotless vehicle. Somehow, the term “drone” has come to be used as interchangable with quadcopter.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    2 Moving the Detroit Auto show from January is a good idea, but moving it in June or July is not. I am never here in June-August if I can help it. My proposal was to move it around mid-October. FALL, not Summer, is the best season of the year in MI. In addition, the new models go on sale each Sept-Oct, and by Jan or esp. June they are really old news. Lastly, local univs have a Fall break around oct 15 (couple days).

    3, 4: Moving the EVs from Chevy, GMs bargain basement division to Caddy is a correct move, they can charge more if they sell the now deceased Volt as a Caddy and not a Chevy, but it is too little, too late now. Obviously the Chevy VP has more clout and that is why he got the Volt initially, and then the Bolt, despite the failure of the Volt.

    the IDEAL solution would have been for GM to create a SEPARATE, Distinct Division, that would sell EVs and Plug-ins only, and it should have called THAT one the “Volt” or “Amper” or whatever. Now it is too late, they made too many errors, and if you do not take them to task, Chuck, they will make the same errors again and again and again until they go Bankrupt again, and blame everybody but themselves for it (again).

    Tesla on the other hand did it far more wisely, marketing wise. FIRST they introduced the expensive models, which also allowed them to learn and do it better with the mass market model 3. They are doing the same with the SUV. The model Y is not an entry level SUV but a 3-row one, even though it is based on the Model 3. Later I am sure they will offer cheaper variants.

    Yesterday as I left the lot after a quick free ‘wellness check’, I saw a red Tesla parked nearby and being charged (probably for free). It did not look as great as the dark blue I saw the other time but maybe it needed a wash. Then as I was driving home I saw a red car behind me that looked like it, but had too low a roofline to be the Model 3. It was something else, I could not figure out what it was until the stoplight, when I turned and it kept going, and I saw it from the side, when it became clear, it was that sporty Jag Coupe. MAJOR Errors by Jag. The Jag logo on the grille was some tiny fuzzy thing, it should be recognizable from 1,000 miles, like a 911. I thought it was one of these loser small volume exotic before I saw its side. the headlights also did not say “Jag” or anything remotely like a Jag.

  7. Ukendoit Says:

    I thought the same thing about the drone. Possibly they just needed a “pilot” seat to have a human supervising for testing and start of Uber service, with the intention of being unmanned in the future?
    I also agree with the Chuck’s comment about Caddy. Let’s wait and see; if they learned their lesson and can produce a Tesla fighter for around the same price (not higher), they may have a shot. Being a Cadillac, they can charge more for it than Chevy, but not being established in electrics (like Tesla), they cannot charge more than them and expect them to sell.
    I added a link under my name for some spyshots of the 2020 RAM HD trucks. I know they are teasing pics of them and plan to reveal them soon, but they don’t look very different to me except for the headlights and grill. I thought 2020 was supposed to be the all new design (not refresh). Maybe it won’t be until 2022. Has anyone heard?

  8. Larry D. Says:

    Regarding that FARCE “Car of the Year” thing. Sorry John, I will not be able to watch one minute of this ATW show. For SUVs, I could care less. For Pickups, you barely have ONE new model every year, and only a handful new or old models. Which leaves just the cars., AND in the cars, NONE of the three finalists deserves to be given the time of day.

    2018 was the year where there was only ONE serious contender for Car of the Year, only ONE car was CONSEQUENTIAL Enough to get the title, and no other car even came close. That car was the Tesla Model 3, which was not even among the finalists.

    I did see the segment of the weekly show you inserted here, and caught the panelists unanimously voting for the “RDX”. The WHAT? What is this utterly unimportant vehicle? Are we joking here folks, or are we trying to rescuscitate failed Acura’s dismal sales? And i say this as a very satisfied owner of 5-speed manual Honda CARS, an Accord 1990 coupe I kept until 2008, and a Civic 1991 hatch that we drove until it was totaled by a young cop that violated a stop sign (in a Mitsu Colt), in 2016.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 Was the “sporty Jag Coupe” you saw an F-Type? It’s been around a few years, but still looks very good, at least to me. I guess it doesn’t stand out as being a Jaguar, though, if you are not familiar with the car.

    Yesterday, during my ~once a month trip to Jacksonville on I-95, I saw a red Tesla S just south of Daytona, being driving fairly fast, probably in the top quartile of speed. On the same trip, I have seen Model Ss a few times before, but always in the bottom quartile of speed, and in the right lane, where they belong for the speed they were going. I figured they were going slowly to save battery and maximize range, but they may have been using “autopilot,” and that is how it would drive on the interstate. Does anyone know?

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 Regarding the NACTOY, Even though it is a so-so effort, I think the I-Pace should win as “utility of the year,” because it is significant in being the first pure EV from a legacy “premium” auto maker.

  11. Larry D. Says:

    9 Don’t remember the alphanumeric name, but I doubt Jag makes another low-roofline coupe, so it must be it (unless they kept the slow-selling successor of the XJ-S?). I was sure it was that Jag when I saw its trunk shape from the side.

    Successful cars should be instantly recognizable, iconic. That Jag was nothing. Everybody, not just their owners, should recognize (and many do) a 911 or a Corvette or a Mustang from 1,000 miles away. The grille and front end of that coupe was 100% non-jaguar looking.

    PS Any low and wide car looks good. You don’t need to be a genius designer to achieve that.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    10 for the cars/trucks to win the award, in my book, they have to be consequential, if the award is to be taken seriously and has not become a “participation trophy” they give to everybody and his mother-in-law these days.

    For the Model 3, if I had not seen its stellar sales success, I would not have proposed it for the title.

    A car should have either pathbreaking tech innovation and/or stellar impact on the market in sales and influence.

  13. Larry D. Says:

    PS even before the sales triumph, the 3 had the 500,000 reservations, that was another unprecedented thing, I doubt any vehicle in the history of autos had such a devoted following.

  14. Lex Says:

    The decision to move EV’s from Chevy to Cadillac will eventually kill Cadillac off completely IMHO. Cadillac is no competition for Tesla!
    The Only Competition for Tesla will come from the Chinese. By the time Elon is ready to go to Mars one of his five children will be of age to take over the running of either Tesla and/or SpaceX.

    I do not see a very bright future for General Motors based upon recent decisions by Executive Management. I have the same view on Ford Motor Company. I believe Sergio Marchionne (God rest his soul) was on the right track looking to partner with another OEM. VW will overwhelm and take over Ford in the long run.

  15. Lex Says:

    OEM’s need to rethink the use of solely direct injection engines in their vehicles. I believe this is why Hyundai and Kia are not gaining sales (only 5 units more in 2018) or market share. Almost everyone of their vehicles has this type of turbo charged direct injection engine. Consumers want durability in their vehicles and direct injection motors lose performance and horsepower over the long term without costly engine cleaning. The residual value of these direct injected motored vehicles will plummet in the long term.

    This will cause monthly leasing payment rates to increase, making these vehicles less desirable. I have already started making a list of which non-direct injection powered vehicles I will consider for my next ride.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9, 11 The F-Type is a two seater, and is probably the only currently produced 2 door Jaguar.

    A 911 is certainly recognizable. Even though the current one is much larger than the original, it has the same shape. With Corvettes, some generations would be instantly recognizable as Corvettes, but some, like the current one, might not be, if you didn’t know what it was, and it didn’t have any markings.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 Depending on what they do, Ford and VW’s partnership could make sense, if the intents is for global markets, and not North America. In the US market, Ford has great selling big pickup trucks, and OK selling CUVs and SUVs. VW makes cars that sell well, everywhere in the world, except the US and Canada. Could the companies work that to advantage? I guess we’ll find out.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    I think GM might finally be onto something. If they go after Tesla and build a nice size luxury car that is pure EV they would finally be following Elon’s roadmap. Forget the econobox green car idea and build a car people actually want and expect it to be if they are going to throw 50K+ at it. I doubt they will ever draw the interest or sales as Tesla but they would finally have the right idea of the type of car people expect when they pay a premium price. They don’t want some retooled Opel.
    I think many people are willing to go electric and even spend the premium price to do it. But they don’t want to spend luxury car money to drive some tiny hatchback. Again which is why Tesla has done so well.

  19. Larry D. Says:

    The most serious threat to Tesla’s dominance will not be the new Caddy EVs and sure not the Leaf. Toyota offers nothing in this segment, and had seriously misjudged the Prius when a few years ago they publicly predicted it would surpass their own best seller Camry in sales. Honda also has nothing I know in the horizon, and neither has Ford or FCA that I know of.

    It will not even be from Porsche’s impressive 600 HP large sporty sedan EV ( market segment too small), or the Mercedes or BMW future offerings.

    Your best bet, assuming they apply themselves as their grandparents did in designing the original VW Beetle, is the new VW EV (not the current and failed Golf EV).

  20. Lambo2015 Says:

    According to Business insider Ford paid $65 Million for Chariot in Sept of 2016. Humm seems like another example of throwing good money after bad money to try and look like your positioning yourself for an uncertain future.
    I envision the Ford boardroom covered with recent start ups and the members just throwing darts at whatever sticks then go buy it.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    No one can fully compete with Tesla, at least any time soon, and in the U.S., because only Tesla has a charge network usable for highway trips. That may change in time, but for now, pure EVs, other than Tesla, and no matter the price, are not “do everything” cars.” Even with Tesla’s charger network, a long highway trip would involve major compromises for some of us.

  22. bradley cross Says:

    If Cadillac can have 1 mid-size SUV that is electric and that can do 0-60 in less 4 seconds then we can start to believe.
    Tesla have proved that crazy fast is a great marketing tool.

  23. Albemarle Says:

    I think GM couldn’t just add another vehicle line to handle electric. They took so much criticism dropping all their previous lines during ‘the troubles’.

    Using Cadillac is an admission that profitable EVs are not inexpensive. Teslas are certainly not mainstream priced; a rwd mid range Model 3 is $7k more than even a Cadillac XTS in Canada, hardly in the Chevy class of pricing.

    The big EV market currently is not econoboxes and I think GM is responding correctly.

  24. Larry D. Says:

    I just did a search in cars.com for used CT6s and was surprised to know there is a plug-in version, there was a 2018 with less than 4,000 miles they asked $49,000 for. (so maybe $45k final price, a good deal down from the steep $75,095 BASE Price. The car was clean, read its carfax report. Then again, it has a modest I4 engine making 266 hp, but combined power is a good 340 HP. Its EPA certified electric range is 31 miles. the car makes 62 MPGes. I sure would give it a test drive if it was a few miles from here.

  25. Larry D. Says:

    24 PS The CT6 PHEV is assembled in Jinqiao, China, by Shanghai GM ( who used to make all these fancy Chinese Buicks). Given it should have plenty of demand in China, I wonder why GM killed it for the US market, it would not cost it much to sell a few here as well?

  26. Larry D. Says:

    23 The Model 3 is not a Chevy, unless you mean a Corvette, where it has similar or even better peformance. The Model 3 is a BMW 3 series class vehicle with same or better performance and far superior electronics. It is a totally new class of auto, pure EV. Apples and oranges if you compare it with Bolts and Volts.

  27. Larry D. Says:

    24, 25 a CT6 plug-in would be ideal for me, it would do all my daily travel gas-free (my commute is only couple miles each way) and most of my weekend shopping, and still could use it as a gas powered car for long trips, at which it should be superb ( long wheelbase, heavy weight, comfortable and luxurious inside).

    To mimic Lee Iacocca, if you can find me a better bargain than this 2018, 4k miles, $49k ($45k final price?), 100% clean vehicle, I would be very curious to hear from you.

  28. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Larry D #8, 12 – I believe the Tesla Model 3 would have made the list, but Tesla does not provide its vehicles for journalists to drive. So, many have never been in one to evaluate. I think Tesla is more concerned with filling customer orders at this point.

  29. Albemarle Says:

    26. The Model 3 I referred to was Tesla. My entire point was comparing the price of the Tesla Model 3 with a Cadillac, illustrating that Cadillac, not Chevrolet, was the product line from GM at similar pricing to the most popular EV so;d today.

  30. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    I wish Cadillac all the best luck. The Tesla model X that I drive every week is not a particularly luxurious SUV and is needlessly annoying for even some simple functions like changing the radio station. There is an opening to make a competent and true luxury competitor at a lower price to attract buyers and gain market share. I am not sure GM is capable of threading that needle though. Time will tell though.

    Lets just hope they don’t ressurect those stupid commercials for the new electric Cadillac.

  31. joe Says:

    If GM sets their mind to compete directly with Tesla, I believe with GM’s experience and know how, they will blow Tesla off the map. People see way too much in Tesla like as if nobody can surpass them. I find that funny because I know for a fact when GM decides to compete, they can do it very handily.

  32. Lambo2015 Says:

    #31 I would really like to see GM/Cadillac succeed in building an amazing EV. However to your comment have they not decided to compete for the last 50 years? They had 48.3% market share in the 1960s, by the 1980 it was down to 41% and by 2009 it was down to 19.5% so that does not seem to be competing quite handily

  33. Lambo2015 Says:

    32 Re; to be fair to GM, the big three had 90.6 US market share in 1965. By 2010 they split 44.8%.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32. One year, I think ’61, GM had more than 50% market share in the U.S. Now, they still have the biggest market share most years, but the market is split about 15 ways rather than, essentially, 3 ways, as it was until the ’70s, so the percent is much smaller.

    Now, GM has a lot of good products, but few that stand out in the crowd. The thing is, the GM “brand” is still tarnished from 40 years ago, because grandpa’s Vega was a POS.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31, 32 Cadillac may, or may not produce an amazing EV, but sadly, even if they do, it won’t get the, uh, following of Tesla. It could perform like a Model 3, look great, have better controls and much better build quality, and sell for the same $60K, comparably equipped, but it wouldn’t get a half million deposits.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    From Merriam-Webster:

    Drone:
    3 : an unmanned aircraft or ship guided by remote control or onboard computers

    It looks like a drone can be an unmanned water or air vehicle, but not a land vehicle, and it can be either remote control or autonomous. The definition doesn’t mention having people “along for the ride,” but not controlling the machine.

  37. Bob Wilson Says:

    Traditional car engineers insist on:

    1) radiators – on an EV, these frontal parachutes kill highway range (aka. iPace.) One might as well ride the brakes.

    2) cabin floor tunnels – on an EV they replicate the former, rear-wheel driveshaft even though the car has front wheel drive. They might as well include a buggy whip.

  38. XA351GT Says:

    37 Maybe they should opt for the NASCAR grille decal on a flush nose. They definitely need something to break up the look in the front. The Model 3 looks strange with nothing there. Floor tunnels I have a hunch are there to add structural strength to the chassis more than anything on a EV considering it doesn’t need it for drive shaft or exhaust. A flat piece of material would be much cheaper for them to make , but has little strength.

  39. ChuckGrenci Says:

    @37 Bob
    While I see your point, it is certainly not universal and/or typical. Many battery packs require cooling, thus radiators, and while the front facade may look like a feaux radiator, this can be done for actual cooling and/or styling. As far as flat floors, we see them in quite a few front wheel drive cars now; and even some of the electrics with flat battery packs avail the floor to be flat. Some of the floor tunnels remain and act as utility chases for other lines and wiring.

  40. Larry D. Says:

    28 Sean, thanks for the feedback. If none of the cars and suvs and trucks that the COTY committee has access to is consequential or really innovative or excellent in some other area, then it would be best not to give out the award for one or more yearss. It has happened even with Nobel Prizes, one year they did not bother awarding the Lit prize.

  41. Larry D. Says:

    35 I have read an article about GM’s new EV plan using Caddy, and was relieved to see they will NOT continue using an existing platform of a $15k-20k vehicle (such as the Sonic and Cruze respectively) to make Caddy-Badged Volts (which they already did, with disastrous results) and Bolts,

    but Reuss said they will develop a brand new platform from which ‘at least 20′ new all-electric or fuel cell (!) powered vehicles will be launched by 2023.

    “Caddy will lead that and drive that globally”, Reuss said. To me this means that NOT all GM EVs will be Caddys but that the first one or two of the 20+ planned will be.

  42. Larry D. Says:

    https://moneymorning.com/2009/03/31/gm-stock/

    GM’s peak market share, we talked about this a few weeks ago again, and I mentioned it was not just 50% but 60% (!!!) at its peak.

    From the above ref:

    “In 1970, GM had nearly 60% of the U.S. automobile market, and imports’ share was below 10%”

    The article was written a few years ago when GM share was about 20%, but the company has not seen 20% for a decade, and recent GM share (I track everybody’s share every month) has been between 18% and as low as 16.5%. With the cancellations of many of its cars, I don’t expect it to be any better any time soon.

    An even more impressive stat is that back then the US makers (mainly Caddy and Lincoln) dominated the luxury segment with a 90% share! Today Caddy and Lincoln together have 17% of the very lucrative luxury segment, and it may have gone well below that more recently.

  43. Larry D. Says:

    24-27: Nobody noticed what a great bargain the CT6 PHEV is, and even myself did not grasp the full significance of it, until I compared it to another Caddy PHEV!!!!

    Remember the miserably failed Caddy ELR (was that its ‘name’)? Remember GM was asking ALSO a base price of $75k for THAT little underpowered tiny barely luxurious POS that could barely take two passengers and their stuff???? At least they repented and charged the same exact $75k for the CT6 PHEV, a car three sizes bigger and two to three times as powerful!!!

    And then they killed it!!!! Good Job, GM!

    I think because of its small numbers produced, the CT6 PHEV may become a valuable collectible later, and i wish GM dropped the STUPID, meaningless alphanumerics and called it the Cadillac FLEETWOOD, one of the best names EVER.

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The CT6 PHEV will continue in China, where it sells better. Even though it works well, I don’t think I’d want one, because there are so few in the U.S., that no one will know how to work on them in a few years, if they do now.

  45. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Fleetwood started as a coach builder in the early 1900s, and made bodies for vaious chassis, including Duesenberg. Fisher Body bought Fleetwood in 1925, and the Fleetwood name has been used on various Cadillacs over thr years. I agree, that it is a very good car name.

  46. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The CT6 PHEV is built in China where the majority of sales exist so any domestic cars had to be imported, and since the take rate was so low, Cadillac dropped the offering. And as far as the ELR goes, Cadillac screwed the pooch with a price so premium it wouldn’t merit many purchases. It sure was pretty though (IMO) and the interior, again IMO, was pretty top notch. I wonder how GM/Cadillac can almost have a winner then drop the ball with seemingly the smallest of omissions just when they should be crossing the finish line.

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    46. Before the price of the ELR was announced, I ecpected it to be maybe $55K. When it turned out to be $75K, I knew there was no way it would sell. I thought it looked good, but I never drove one. I assume it drove pretty much like a Volt, but was a little quieter.

  48. Larry D. Says:

    37, 38, 39

    It is very easy to have an attractive and distinctive front end without a stupid grille.

    Pure EVs are not the first cars to not need an open grille. Every rear-engined car never needed one, and many of them did not, and are (all I can think of) works of art.

    The original Beetle and especially the 911 come to mind.

    Making a grill-less car look both beautiful and distinctive is not that hard at all.

    As I mentioned many times recently, all successful cars should look distinctive and not just like just another accursed Hyundai. To help that with new automakers like Tesla, it needs to have a big, bold “T” logo (the special T they use, but make it 2-3 times bigger, and maybe decorate it with something, enclose it in a circle, or use something like Caddilac’s excellent laurel wreaths (that they foolishly and wrongly deleted recently!).

    There is absolutely no need for an open grille.

  49. Larry D. Says:

    46, 47

    The ELR would never be a truly luxurious vehicle in my book, even if it had the best interior in the world, like the Rolls Royce Phantom interior, as long as

    1) it was the tiny narrow vehicle it was, and if you ever took a passenger you would have to rub elbows with them, and forget about the rear seat, it was a total joke in the ELR, and

    2) it was as underpowered as the ELR was, they charged twice the price of the Volt and they did not make even the smallest effort to make it even a tiny bit more powerful than the pitiful (for a LUXURY car) HP of the Volt.

  50. Larry D. Says:

    The comparison between the stillborn ELR and the impressive CT6 PHEV is really striking. Same division, same type of car, both at $75k base price, and the second being three times the car the first was!

    AND it gets so much better if you go used. I said I found a 2018 with less than 4,000 miles with a $49,000 STARTING asking price, and a 100% clean carfax (I checked it). But I never buy cars with such low miles because I drive so few miles with each of my cars. let the previous owner take all the depreciation!

    And given that my 2007 E 320 Diesel is still in fantastic shape, I can keep it for many more years, and wait until the CT6 PHEV becomes at least 3-4 years old and puts another 50k miles on it, how ridiculously cheap do you think such a vehicle go for in 2022? I bet youcan get it for $20k or less!

    A Hyundai Elantra goes for $20k. Have you ever driven one? I was sentenced to drive one for one week. Talk about Cruel and Unusual Punishment!

  51. Kit Gerhart Says:

    49 Mentioning an ELR as not “truly luxurious,” I saw a late pre-BMW Mini with a special package with wood, leather, and probably wool carpet. That car was clearly not luxurious, but had the “trappings of luxury” in the cabin.

    As far as ELR being underpowered, I guess it depends on your perspective. There are Mercedes S-Classes sold in many non-US markets that are slower than an ELR, but they are adequately powered for the way they are used.

  52. joe Says:

    XA351GT on line 3, It’s obvious you are just a GM hater. GM could build the best car in the world and you’d still make nasty remarks. Some people can never get over that the Government help GM stay in business. In case you don’t know, it would have cost the people and government a lot more if they had not.

  53. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I just saw a new commercial for the Chevy Silverado: “Its a little bit country and a little bit rock and roll”. I thought it was pretty good; brought back memories of “Like a rock” commercial of old. Just saying.

  54. Larry D. Says:

    To be better informed, and out of curiosity, I just did a search for all available Caddy ELRs on cars.com. Wanted to see their interiors in particular. The results were very surprising.

    There were about 112 ELRs on sale in all of the USA. When I limited the price to under $20,000 there was NONE. This pimped up Volt clone is a 6 year old car, all of them were 2014 models, (the model year started in Sept/Oct 2013).

    When I limited the price to $25,000, about 68 of the 112 were shown.

    And unlike my 4,000 mile 2018 CT6 PHEV, most of them had a TON of miles!!! from 40,000 to 90,000!

    Something is very wrong with these prices, either ELR buyers are total suckers, or they hope the discontinued car will be a collectible when their grandkids inherit it? (or both).

    The Exterior is fine. It is best in black, less so in red, much less so in silver. It uses the same trademark “art and science” design that works well on most Caddys 20 years now and has not worn off.

    The Interior is really not luxurious. The dash has tiny slivers of wood that looks like fake wood, and the back, with the bench split into two seats, has a middle console that looks made from dark plastic instead of wood and leather which happens in TRUE luxury cars.

    Overall, very surprised that such a failed, utterly underhelming, not really luxurious, 6 year old tiny car with an anemic engine can command such laughably high prices.

    It only reinforces my point about the huge bargain the CT6 PHEV is by comparison!

    BTW, Kit, GM has sold a ton of Volts over 10 years, there must be many mechanics that can fix the many Volts and the few ELRs around. Why could the same people not know how to fix the CT6 PHEV?

  55. Kit Gerhart Says:

    54 I thought the C6 PHEV powertrain was unique to that car. If it’s similar to the Volt powertrain, service should be no problem. I’ll check it out.

  56. Chuck Grenci Says:

    According to Car and Driver, the Volt system, which is fwd based would not be compatible with the rear drive of the CT6 so a new system needed to be created. So yes it is unique.

  57. Kit Gerhart Says:

    55, 56 I found that the CT6 system is similar to a “dual mode” hybrid system developed by GM and Chrysler in the mid-2000s.

  58. BobD Says:

    55, 56, 57 – It is my understanding that the CT6 PHEV transmission is an adaptation of the second generation “dual mode” hybrid designed for the GM pickup/SUV and other rear wheel drives platforms, but GM decided to drop the hybrid pickup/SUV, so the transmission didn’t make it to production until it was resurrected for the CT6. Slick design.

  59. ChuckGrenci Says:

    58, Bob, spot-on, that’s pretty much how Car and Driver described the system. I think they said it was a dual motor system with the motor in the transmission.

  60. Larry D. Says:

    A ton of news today.

    Autoline on the road has segments, where you can also comment, on every news item from NAIAS.

    The Farce of the Year awards are out and as everybody was afraid, the Genesis 70 or whatever 3 series rival which sells 3 units per year got the car award, the RDX the ATW panel was so fond of did not get the SUV thing but instead the Hyundai Kona crossover and EV got it, and the RAM got the truck award, the only SUCCESSFUL and CONSEQUENTIAL vehicle of the three.

    Wards had an article “why the G 70 won”, and of course gave the wrong excuses. Sean here told us why, because Tesla (foolishly IMHO) did not give the committee that voted a Model 3 to play with.

    The Heavy Duty Ram has an excellent Cummings diesel with a modest (compared to its rivals) 400 HP (still up from.. 160 or so in 1989) and 1,000 (yes, 1,000) lbft torque that can tow over 35,000 lbs. So now you can have your McMansion and tow it too!

    Toyota has its new Supra out. Now how is this a TOYOTA if it has the BMW 3 lt engine in it? AND will the famed Toyota fairy beat this engine over the (cylinder) heads with its magic wand, and make it bulletproof reliable? I am curious how Consumer Reports will rate this mutt reliab wise. (In any case, I am not in favor of these non-toyota toyotas or non-Benz benzes etc.)

    Ford is out with a 700 HP Shelby and VW claims it improved the Passat but i seriously doubt it.

    But VW has agreed, as per its cheating penalty, to built a ton of charging stations, which fits in well with its serious EV being the only new EV that can really rival Tesla.

    It is a pity if each automaker and their mother-in-law have their own network of superchargers that only their owners can use it. Terribly wasteful and redundant. I hope they can get together and PLAN for a RATIONAL supercharger network and allow all owners to share all stations.

  61. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/2019/01/14/volkswagen-electric-car-chattanooga-plant/2565780002/

    I have said many times I consider the VW NEW EV (not the e-golf) the only serious rival to Tesla, even in the previous post. here is another reason why they mean business. They are spending $800 mill to launch a facility in TN to build it. Read the details above.

  62. BobD Says:

    59 – Yes, the GM dual-mode hybrid transmission has two concentric motors, a couple of plantaries, and 4 clutches. While the transmission is considered a “electrically variable ratio” transmission, it can spend much of its cruising time in pure mechanical drive to improve fuel economy.

  63. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The article I found said that the CT6 plug-in uses a 4-speed autobox along the planetaries and the “E-CVT” function.

  64. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Heard/seen more rumors that maybe the CT6 isn’t dead yet. GM and Cadillac’s communication with the public is pretty abysmal at times. I can provide links if anyone interested, but the info. is out there.

  65. Kit Gerhart Says:

    64 I hope the rumors are correct.

  66. Kit Gerhart Says:

    64 I found an Autoblog article to that effect.

    https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/14/2019-cadillac-ct6-v-preorders-pricing-detroit-auto-show/

    It mentions production being moved, rather than the car being discontinued near the end of the article.

  67. Tim Beaumont Says:

    Cadillac …. EV leader …. spare me ….

  68. Kit Gerhart Says:

    67 They have the technology to be an EV leader. They just need to use it the right way. In today’s America, that would be crossovers.

  69. Kit Gerhart Says:

    More on the Ford-VW alliance.

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/15/18183498/ford-volkswagen-alliance-trucks-vans-detroit-auto-show-2019

  70. ChuckGrenci Says:

    67
    Seems just a cheap shot with no corroborating comment other than opinion. GM has the resources to do just about anything. Now, whether they do it or not; I’ll grant you is another story. Tesla wasn’t an instant success (so give GM a chance).

  71. Kit Gerhart Says:

    GM should revive the EV1. It got almost 100 miles of range with lead acid batteries, so it would get 300+ miles if they filled that same space with lithium batteries.

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