AD #2554 – Cadillac Reveals the CT5, Trump Attacks GM Over Plant Closing, BMW To Supply INEOS With Engines

March 18th, 2019 at 11:34am

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Runtime: 6:23

0:07 NHTSA Wants Public Input on GM’s AV Plans
0:49 Trump Attacks GM Over Plant Closing
1:16 Ford to Lay Off Thousands of Workers in Germany
1:52 BMW To Supply INEOS With Engines
2:37 Cadillac Reveals the CT5
3:23 Weekend Race Results
4:15 The End of The Road for The I.C.E.?

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43 Comments to “AD #2554 – Cadillac Reveals the CT5, Trump Attacks GM Over Plant Closing, BMW To Supply INEOS With Engines”

  1. Larry D. Says:

    The CTS looked far better and more substantial than this cute little thing. It will sell even less than the CTS. Bad news for Caddy.

    Other than that, very little to write home about. I will wait to see the March and April sales to see what difference it made to have the base $35k Model 3 available in the US. Also for production numbers and the quarterly report to see how Tesla exports to China and Europe, now that the Model 3 is on sale in both continents, shape up.

  2. Larry D. Says:

    GM’s AV plans. So this is where the very few Bolts sold go to die. And the Incompetent so-called “experts” at NTHSA will ask..the public to tell them if they should allow Bolts with no steering wheel or pedals to run around San Francisco? Really?

  3. ChuckGrenci Says:

    1, I disagree, I feel the CT5 should do as well or better than the CTS; it has similar styling to what Cadillac is currently producing and the design should have ‘legs’ (shouldn’t date itself too soon). IMO At least you have to give credit to GM that it is staying in the sedan market with a new entry. Granted, I’m a Cadillac owner (and fan) but depending how ‘she’ presents and drives, it could be a helpful hand to Cadillac (though I do think Cadillac needs to step-up in the dependability department).

    I think perhaps the death of new ICE is still a little premature; it wasn’t a couple of years that it was said that fully new engines wouldn’t be produced but I think that may be already wrong with the Cadillac (GM) Blackwing. Sure, new engines won’t abound, but I think their demise (of new from the ground up) is still premature. Again, JMO

  4. Victor West Says:

    Do I see Korean car styling cues in the new CT5?

  5. Larry D. Says:

    1, 3 I strongly liked the CTS better. It had clean, crisp and impressive styling, better than late model BMWs. This one is as I said a cute little thing that will sell even less than the few CTS units sold.

  6. Albemarle Says:

    So the OEMs believe that the end of the ICE is in sight. With quixotic federal regulations, nothing is for sure. Perhaps now would be the time to make arrangements with others to share powerplants. Some, like the Toyota Supra already have, (Toyota fanboys disapprove, like BMW can’t make good engines?).

    I like the look of the CT5

  7. Brett Cammack Says:

    Nice to see something come out of GM that isn’t horribly overstyled and looks dated after a couple years. Still holding the “Art & Science” design language without looking like an origami exercise.

  8. MJB Says:

    I know it will never happen, but I’m going to throw it out there anyway. – I wish (at least Cadillac and Lincoln) would bring back the long rear deck.

    Not a fan of the fastback design cue on this new CT5. I also think that cute little ‘pinch’ of chrome trim where the DLO closes into the C-pillar drags this car down into Chevy Impala styling cue territory. NOT a good look for a luxury vehicle, imho.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    More than “the end of the ICE is nigh,” maybe it’s more that the technology is mature, and there’s no need to design a new one every 5 years. At one time, an engine family went for decades. Flathead Ford V-8, 1932-1954. Chrysler slant 6, 1960-1990-something. The first generation Chevy small block V-8 started in 1955, and is still sold as a “crate motor.”

  10. MJB Says:

    @7.

    I hear you, Brett, but I, for one, am one of those people for whom Cadillac styling (almost) never goes out of style. I absolutely LOVE the fighter-jet styling that’s come out of their studios over the past decade.

    God forbid they make the same mistake Jaguar has with the first gen XF and Maserati had with every generation of Quattroporte by over softening the stylistic expressiveness that has helped get them where they are. ;)

  11. Larry D. Says:

    The “Art and Science” theme was the most successful styling by any domestic (and many import) makers over the last two decades, and this is why it lasted more than two decades, with minor changes. They don’t look at all like paper origami but more like multi-faceted diamonds.

    However exterior styling is not enough, hence Caddy’s dismal sales over those 20 years.

    Lincoln, which I hold in much less esteem than Caddy, may have achieved the same or similar modest sales as Caddy by offering re-heated Ford clones, at a much smaller cost to develop them.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Trump should worry more about Boeing, than about GM closing Lordstown. Boeing is the US’ biggest exporter, and stands to have tens of billions in orders cancelled if they don’t quickly, and convincingly resolve the issue with the autonomous crash system.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Could Ford’s layoffs in Germany be related to the Brexit disaster? The UK is Ford Europe’s biggest market, and more difficult movement of cars and parts between Britain and the continent would not be good for Ford, (or other car companies.)

  14. GM Veteran Says:

    Automotive News article stated that the new CT5 will compete against the BMW 3-series and that Cadillac will also soon launch the CT4 as their second sedan. Since they already said their current sedans will be discontinued, this will leave them with two small sedans and a bunch of crossovers. Seems odd that they will not have a midsize sedan to compete against the 5-series and C-class.

    It also seems strange that Cadillac is still involved in racing. Other than the V-series cars, they have no sporty offerings. While racing helps sell sports cars for Porsche, Audi and Ferrari, I don’t see the point for Cadillac, despite their impressive success rate. It reminds me of when Oldsmobile dominated drag racing but had no performance cars or even a V-8 powered car to sell. What is the point?

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 If the CT5 competes against the 3 series, it also competes against the C-Class. They compete with each other.

  16. GM Veteran Says:

    Thanks Kit, I meant E-class. It just seems like the midsize luxury market is too big (and profitable) to walk away from.

  17. Larry D. Says:

    14, 15 the old CTS competed against the FIVE Series and the E class, it was a far bigger vehicle than the 3 series.

    It is rather puzzling that they would have the CTS successor compete against the 3 series.

    In addition, the phase when all automakers were introducing “3 series Killers” or “Rivals”, ALL of which failed miserably, is now replaced by a phase where every other day an automaker announces they will produce a “Tesla Model 3″ killer or rival, with identical failing results.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    17 con’t it was the much smaller ATS that competed against the 3 Series, not the CTS.

    And from the reporting, if the above is true, then the CT5 is a successor to the ATS, not the CTS. Bigger than the tiny old ATS and smaller than the much bigger old CTS.

  19. M Campbell Says:

    Ineos, major investor in UK’s next America’s Cup challenger, and apparently the next title sponsor of the UK-based cycling team now known as Team Sky.

  20. ChuckGrenci Says:

    It puzzles me that Cadillac is even sneak peaking the CT5 when it has been alluded that the official announcement will be at the NY Auto show; what’s the point? All it leads to is speculation and prejudicial opinions that have been gleaned from previous Cadillac experience (me included). Just shooting out a pre-production picture seems ill-advised. And you remember me; I’m a Caddy fan. It may create some buzz but that buzz may be negative (or positive); why risk it when no info is available to support or detract from what’s coming. Just two more of my cents opinion.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    This, and other sites say the CT5 will compete with the 5, E, and A6.

    https://www.topspeed.com/cars/cadillac/2019-cadillac-ct5-ar181775.html

  22. Larry D. Says:

    21 this makes more sense, the CT5 is too large to compete against the 3 or the C.

    However, I still do not like the CT5 styling, it looks confused, while the CTS had EXCELLENT exterior styling. Don’t mess with success, now they wasted a ton of $ and came up with a worse design.

    16 BMW and esp Merc were able to make $ from the E class and the 5 series, but not Caddy, whose sales of the CTS were always distant fifth and sixth (behind the E, the 5, the A6, and sure behind the Lexus ES 350, which is also in this segment. There is also a Lincoln in this size, a 100% ford clone, which had the most dismal sales of all.

    But this has changed when the Model S and now the Model 3 became available. It ate the lunch of BMW and Merc Dealers. By the time Caddy has a worthy E class rival, the game will have changed and the E will have shrunk, eaten away by the Teslas.

  23. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    9) I think that is the correct take. The tech is mature enough that developing entirely new engines is not warranted. They will revert to the old model of using refreshed engine variants for a few decades until the electric drive market sorts out.

    As to Ford of Europe layoffs, they have had an overcapicty problem for many years. This would have happened regardless of Brexit. Brexit more than likely pulled the date forward of this action by Ford though.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 It especially helps M-B, BMW, and Audi, in that they sell those cars in large numbers all over the world, and optioned in ways we can only dream of.

  25. Brett Cammack Says:

    re: Internal Combustion Engines

    The last few steam locomotives were technological showpieces. Forged aluminum drive rods. Roller bearings throughout. Sophisticated fueling systems. Dieselization swept them aside in a single decade.

    I suspect we’re approaching that time for ICE as well.

  26. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    22) I am not seeing this trend that you are seeing. The Mercedes E-Class sales have been flat since 2015 at around 45,000 units give or take on some years. BMW 5 Series has been flat also since 2015 at 40K with an increase starting in 2017 and 2018. Tesla Model S has been flat since 2015 at around 25K per year.

    The only downward movement in this segment is the Audi A6 and Caddillac CTS which both have similar sales figures. Maybe the Tesla Model S is responsible for that, or maybe both of those are old designs that needed a refresh as sales for both were declining while Model S sales were flat.

    And FYI…The Lincoln MKZ, you know the one you said has dismal sales and is an irrelevant competitor in this segment…It was flat and outsold the Tesla Model S from 2015 through 2017 at which point it was replaced by the Zephyr. The MKZ also outsold the CTS and A6 combined. it is not the irrelevant competitor that your opinion has told you. The Zephyr has around 20K sales in 2018 which is typical of a new model production launch. Maybe the Audi/Cadillac buyers found a home with the Lincoln MKZ? You never know.

    I am interested in what Tesla has been doing as much as the next guy. I am not going to talk about Tesla sales in terms of stratospheric hyperbole when there is easily obtainable sales data that can speak to their actual performance as compared to other segment competitors.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 Doesn’t the MKZ compete with C-Class and 3 series more than with the E and 5?

  28. Kevin A Says:

    Larry D, You told us 3 TIMES today what you think of Cadillac’s styling. Can’t you do it just once and leave it at that? If I agree with you, will you stop talking?

  29. Roger T Says:

    The Cadillac borrowed more of the new Chevy front end than the arts and science language. I’d have to see it in person to judge, many times cara have a much better presence in 3D, but I’m not impressed. Either way if it competes with bmw, they are both more vanilla than a new Camry. The C class looks nicer than any of these.

    On ICE engines – there’s a lot that can be done with a good block, think LS1 and how long that’s been around. I also think having a small generator could have been an avenue to electrify most of our current fleet, but it’s too late for that idea. If the future is to charge at 1,000 miles per hour (Tesla V3), then no question the future is pure electric. And oh BTW instead of investing in new ICE engines and ride hailing tech I would, as an OEM, put my dollars in a charging infrastructure just like Elon did, without that everyone looses their shorts to Tesla.

  30. Albemarle Says:

    25 As a retired mechanical engineer, I have loved the precision and careful design in the modern ICE – although perhaps not so much the over-the-top complexity of the new Infiniti variable compression design.

    It is with genuine sadness I agree that they may be coming to an end.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 Yeah, based on some acceleration and fuel economy tests of the Infinity CUV using it, that Nissan engine is the ultimate case of complexity for complexity’s sake.

  32. cwolf Says:

    Lincolns may be thought of as expensive Fords but their interiors beat Caddy’s all to heck. I gave thought to buying one because I love the Caddy styling. Not so much for the hard plastic trim and too many mechanical glitches. I also like the Audi and Merc., but the Euro stuff cost of repairs is five fold of Lincolns.
    And Teslas?…just toys for people who don’t mind buying something which will be soon obsolete in 5 years and no one wants to buy a used one!

  33. Steve W Says:

    This is Cadillac’s problem. They’ve lost their way. Cadillacs have traditionally been big roomy automobiles. Now they are cars with no rear legroom and their core buyers have left for Lexus. Their only good seller is the Escalade which is big & roomy! Young buyers are not interested in their cars and neither are seniors because they are neither reliable competitive in price.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 Lincoln went for the trappings of luxury, and Cadillac went for sporty driving. It seems difficult for either to make much headway, sales-wise, in either category, because of their reputations from decades ago, and because other brands, whether European, Asian, or Tesla, are today’s “cool”

    I, personally, have never bought, or seriously considered any car from a “premium” brand, with one exception. I have considered, and am still considering a near zero option Porsche Cayman as a replacement for two cars, a Mini and a Corvette. Of course, there is no VW version of a Cayman, or I’d more likely consider that, rather than the “premium” Porsche version.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 To me, it is sad that the crude, trucky, badge engineered Escalade is Cadillac’s most successful product. Such is today’s America.

  36. Larry D. Says:

    22 The trend I described is in full swing especially in CA and to a lesser extent in other EV friendly states. Obviously here in MI, where the corrupt state forbids direct sales of cars to customers and Tesla is not allowed to sell their EVs here, you would not expect it to be strong here.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36 I find it interesting that two states as different as MI and TX, politically and otherwise, are among those that don’t allow direct sales by Tesla. In some parts of TX, you would need to go hundreds of miles to get a Tesla. Still, a lot of Teslas are sold there, but only because there a lot of people there. The market share is not high.

  38. Larry D. Says:

    37 MI is the home of the onetime big 3. TX probably has import plants instead. I see a ton of Teslas in my area in MI, which is not very representative of either the Detroit area (in fact it is more liberal than even Detroit, I believe Hillary got 86% in my county but still lost the state in 16) or the rural conservative areas, but the local dealers do not suffer because the consumers drive to Cleveland to buy them.

  39. sam stanfillss Says:

    what about the achates engine? It seems to hold much promise!

  40. Larry D. Says:

    37 I guess the explanation is that dealer lobbying and bribing their State Government to forbid direct auto sales works both in MI and TX. Not that surprising.

  41. Kit Gerhart Says:

    38 GM Arlington, TX builds big SUVs, and Toyota San Antonio builds pickup trucks.

  42. lambo2015 Says:

    I own a CTS coupe and agree the styling was my main attraction to the car the interior in my opinion is not any better or worse than Lincoln but not world class either.
    The CT5 looks just like the ATS and I also agree with previous comments that they should stick with the large sedans. If you can afford a luxury car you typically are not buying it for its fuel economy. That’s why no one asks how many miles per gallon you get in a Bugatti.

  43. R. Bruce Melton, Says:

    While in today’s rather gloomy market for automobiles is the most dim ever, I believe GM/Cadillac were committed to build the CT5, no matter what, due to the average 3-4 year lead time to bring a new design to market & tool up for manufacturing.
    As for the CTS-V (and possibly the Escalade) being the only vehicles getting the new “Blackwing” V-8, I would bet money that the Corvette C8 will have it as standard equipment. The one really good thing the CTS-V did was give us a 4-dr Corvette, and I thank Cadillac for it! LUV IT!!!

    The average Cadillac owner probably has no idea what is under the hood, and it is not important as long as it runs and the AC is working! the Allante (w/4.1L V-8 – except for ’93 w/new Northstar) and the XLR were terrible flops. I once looked at a used 93 Allante, and the owner bragged about burning the rear tires on take-off. I told that was very interesting, since the car was front wheel drive only w/transverse mounted NorthStar engine. He did not believe me until he looked under the car and saw that there was no driveshaft to the rear end – Go FIGURE!

    I am sure that the GM “Brass” will straighten out head of Cadillac as to who will have access to the “Blackwing!” It is a sad day to think that a “truck” (SUV) is what people look for in Cadillac!

    I think of the 1970 Fleetwood as the benchmark what a Cadillac was supposed to represent the upper-end of true luxury for the American automobile. The 70′s, 80′s and 90′s in terms of “fun cars” were lost years for the American automobile with rare exceptions (Corvette C-4 ZR-1, Buick Regal T-Type and the GNX Regal).