AD #2572 – New Pininfarina Is Wicked Fast and Pricey, Infiniti’s First Production EV, Testing GM’s Carbon Fiber Pickup Bed

April 11th, 2019 at 11:49am

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Runtime: 7:46

0:23 Bipartisan Support for New EV Credits
1:15 Infiniti’s First Production EV
1:48 Pininfarina Battista Is Wicked Fast and Pricey
2:41 D.O.E. ID’s How to Get More Truck Drivers
3:47 Testing GM’s Carbon Fiber Pickup Bed
4:56 Some Communities Threatened by EVs
6:03 Tesla Plans to Drastically Cut Wiring in Its Vehicles

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37 Comments to “AD #2572 – New Pininfarina Is Wicked Fast and Pricey, Infiniti’s First Production EV, Testing GM’s Carbon Fiber Pickup Bed”

  1. Larry D. Says:

    A. “new” EV Tax credits.

    I am 100% DISGUSTED and 100% OPPOSED to these immoral wealth transfers from the average taxpayer to the RICH who buy EVs (their average income is $170,000+!)

    They should NEVER have been tax credits but REBATES, and only below-average income taxpayers would get them.

    Also, you are wrong to say “GM AND Tesla are the winners. Just because GM has sold 200,000 units as Tesla has, does not mean it can take advantage of the next 200,000 OR 400,000, because currently NOBODY Cares for ANYBODY else’s EVs but TESLA, which sells 10 times what anybody else sells. AND GM’s 200,000 already were NOT pure EVs, but their vast majority were dirty plug-ins (VOLTS).

    So this is a huge victory for Tesla ONLY, but I am still 100% OPPOSED to the disgusting, immoral legislation.

  2. Larry D. Says:

    Pininfarina JOKE. Maybe it is better looking than the new Tesla Roadster, which costs a mere 10% of the Pininfarinan JOKE, BUT I seriously doubt it is any BETTER, and proably is much worse performance-wise. Oh, and in addition, the Tesla Roadster has an UNREAL Range of 620 MILES, more than double than that of this RIPOFF.

  3. Larry D. Says:

    PS In other news: Guess which was the best selling vehicle in the obscenely wealthy “Land of Milk and Money”, Switzerland, where every evil dictator and his mother-in-law have numbered bank accounts?

    Did anybody say the TESLA MODEL 3?

  4. cwolf Says:

    Wow, the Battista is very fast….too fast to control. Since there will only be 50 delivered to the U.S. @ $2.5M, I better get on the list right away; I mean,.. considering the tax credit discount it’s a bargain!!!
    Just fun’in.

  5. Phred Says:

    The propaganda regarding traffic congestion solved by the “magic” of “V2V” communication really is reaching for justification of taxing the drivers by the mile.What about all the claims for self driving “solving congestion”. There are still on so many lanes in a road that connects point A to point B.

  6. ChuckGrenci Says:

    So who is going to buy a Sierra Denali so they can get a carbon fiber bed; yeah the carbon fiber is strong and would work well but those superior beds need to be in the working mans truck (not a Denali that the boss drives or some suburbanite/rancher that uses it for more mundane uses would). It’s probably a cost thing for offering it on the Denali but those that could truly use it; yikes, not for a while at least.

  7. Buzzerd Says:

    For anyone who needs to move their motorcycle in their truck, the GMC box looks really well thought out.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    1 Larry you make no sense. You are disgustingly opposed to tax payer money being given as a tax credit but are okay with a rebate but to only lower income folks when you even state the average income of EV buyers is 140K. So then no one?
    The government wants to jump start the sales of EVs and the rich are the majority of people who will buy them at first. They also give credits to folks that install solar panels and wind mills.

  9. Larry D. Says:

    8 I make PERFECT, 100% Sense and I am 100% TRUE to my PRINCIPLES. EVs need NO Handouts, but if coNGRESS GIVES THEM ANY, they SHOULD NOT be the current tax credits. I explained it 100% and repeatedly and if you still don’t get it i DO NOT KNOW how else to say it.

  10. Lambo2015 Says:

    I would think that things like Google Maps can help with congestion better than V2V. I know maps will notify me of a traffic jam and reroute me. So I have it on often times even when I know where I’m going.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I guess that expensive electric car is named after Fidel Castro’s predecessor in Cuba, Fulgencio Batista, but they spelled it wrong. There is only one “t” after the “a.”

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    9 Writing in bold doesn’t make your nonsense any more clear. I got what you said. You don’t agree with tax credits but if they are handing out money on EVs it should be a government rebate and only to lower income folks that are not buying EVs since the average income is 140K. Clear as mud.

    BTW EVs don’t need handouts, and Tesla doesn’t need a cheerleaders, but they have one anyway.

  13. Dave Says:

    the EV credit was to give a helping hand to get the industry going for environmental reasons well the technology is in hand already one company in particular makes a superior car, say no to corporate welfare bums

  14. Victor West Says:

    I miss the old forum with serious comments about the content, not rants and arguments.

  15. Larry D. Says:

    13 you miss the point. It should never have been a TAX CREDIT. DO you understand the difference between a REBATE, especially a rebate that ONLY the below-average income buyers get, and a Tax credit, which these people CANNOT use, because they pay far les than $7,000 to the IRS??????

  16. BobD Says:

    On the Infiniti’s concepts… It is an interesting character “line” where the hood meets the front fascia/grill. In the first image, it almost looks like a very poor example of “fit and finish”. In the second image, it is a little more pronounced but still does not look “right”. It seems like this step would really hurt aerodynamics and be a good “bug catcher”.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If there is a tax credit, it should be usable over multiple years, so lower income people could use it. Overall, though, it probably doesn’t make much sense to have the credits, or rebates at all. Lower income people don’t, or shouldn’t buy new cars anyway, especially expensive ones, and wealthy people can buy their $40K and up EVs without the subsidies.

  18. BobD Says:

    The Senate EV credit proposal discussed here does retain the subsidy as a credit with the noted economic inequities deficiencies. There is a House proposal in the works that makes the subsidy a true rebate that can be applied at the time of purchase, thus benefiting more EV buyers. Both will have a difficult time becoming law with the current administration’s dislike for “21st century” technology.

  19. Lambo2015 Says:

    14 Apologies for my part.

    17 Glad to see you have a clear understanding that credit or rebate makes no difference when low income people are not buying 40K cars so would not take advantage of either.

    18 I don’t believe the current administration has a dislike for modern technology, but rather an issue with handouts that are currently a benefit to people that do not really need it.
    Current US household income (not individual) is 61K. So I doubt many people or couples under that are buying 40k EVs.

  20. Kevin A Says:

    LarryD, As a foreigner, I appreciate you continuing the tradition of the ‘ugly American’. If someone doesn’t understand you, just repeat your original statement LOUDER!

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 The current administration seems to either have a dislike for modern technology, or wants to do what they can to hurt the environment. At least DJT really loves coal, but wants to disincentivize solar. That’s a discussion for another place, though.

    I certainly agree that the EV incentives, at least in their current form, are used mainly by people who don’t need them.

  22. cwolf Says:

    Why not change the EV credit into a voucher?
    The holder would be allowed to use $1500 of the voucher for road use, since they do not pay fuel taxes. The remaining $5K can be transferred to a friend or family member (college student) for a fuel efficient vehicle, but not a gas hog truck or suv.
    IMO, EV buyers are either ego trend setters or just environmentalists; Either way, giving a voucher for a good cause should tickle their fancy.

  23. Lambo2015 Says:

    Better yet take the money that being used for tax credits and use it to install more EV charging stations, making EVs more attractive. That benefits everyone that buys one today and into the future not just the folks that buy now. It supports the goal of promoting EVs and does not discriminate on which manufacturer is selling 10 EVs a month or 5000 EVs.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Indiana has a $150 surcharge for electric cars, about 9500 miles worth of tax driving a 30 mpg car, or about 14-15K miles of tax for a Prius, driven “normally,” not driving to maximize mpg. Some other states do something similar.

  25. cwolf Says:

    Lambo… good idea, but this really should be done by the manufactures and related suppliers. If they believe in their product, they are the ones who should be at the fore front in developing charging stations.
    I believe big investors will create EV stations in mass, just like gas stations; As a result, the cost to charge up will be comparable to gas prices if not higher. Unless you have a home charger, I doubt The EV buyer of the future will see the cost savings they hoped for. I could be wrong.. but I doubt it.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    So far, most EV drivers buy them because they like them, not to save money. Also, so far, Tesla, with their “superchargers,” is the only company trying to make EVs closer to “do everything” cars, but the only way I’d buy a pure EV would be if I had home charging.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    For Elon Musk fans, and haters, the second Falcon Heavy just launched, and it sounds like all three booster sections landed successfully, two on land, and one on the barge in the Atlantic. I saw it launch from about 15 miles away, and saw two of the boosters most of the way back down.

  28. cwolf Says:

    Wow Kit, you sure are lucky! That must have been something to see first hand. Isn’t it amazing that we have learned how to do so many remarkable things. Take pix next time.

  29. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Even though this is after the fact and my suggestion is hypothetical, I think in order to stimulate E sales, the credits should have been discounts of a more equitable nature and limited to the first million vehicles and available derby style. By that I mean whoever sells the EV, they get the bonus; no limit of 200k each, just the first million. Now that would have set up a competition. Pie in the sky, maybe, but what we have now didn’t work so hot either.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I have a couple phone videos, but I’m too far away for the pics to be very good. It’s cool to see, though. It was almost dark when the previous SpaceX Heavy landed two boosters, and that was really cool to see.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    26 Even more impressive than the falcon Heavy, which was impressive enough for me to post the 15 min video on my FBN page. This one landed all 3, and one on a barge in the ocean? REALLY impressive.

    Cannot resist making the comparison of Musk’s genius with Hackett’s clueless destruction of Ford Equity on silly ventures and cancelling all the cars, a truly idiotic move.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The first Falcon Heavy landed the two outer boosters on land, but failed the landing of the center one on the barge, apparently because it ran of of igniter fluid for the engines. The one yesterday landed all three. There are multiple burns for the landing sequence, and from my condo ~7 miles away, I can see the descending boosters only during the burns.

  33. ChuckGrenci Says:

    GM announces official C8 reveal date of July 18, 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Cjv3-j2AY

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It will be interesting. I probably won’t want to be first on my block to buy on, even if it is marginally in my price range, but I look forward to the announcement.

  35. Larry D. Says:

    32 if it debuted just 5 days later, it would be right on my birthday

  36. Lambo2015 Says:

    24 I’m not sure why the manufacturers should be responsible for EV stations anymore than they are for gas stations. Someone who is willing to make a buck will install them and as you pointed out the savings will probably not turn out to be all that great. Honestly though until charging times are reduced and range is close to 300 miles I don’t really see many people who even buy an EV using them for long trips. So what you’ll end up with is a saturation of EVs that are 95% charged at home or work and rarely see any long distance trips. So even having more charging stations might not be enough to encourage someone to buy one.

  37. Gene E Says:

    I agree with #14!!!!!!!!

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