AD #2693 – BMW M8 Gran Coupe Debuts, Chevy Updates 2021 Colorado, Bosch Semiconductor Boosts EV Range 

October 9th, 2019 at 11:38am

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0:07 UAW Strike Costs GM Millions of Dollars
0:55 PSA & Hyundai To Use Continental E-Drive Axle
1:55 New Autonomous Vehicle Consortium Formed
2:49 New Bosch Semiconductor Boosts EV Range
3:26 Commute Times in U.S. Increase
4:00 Volvo Reveals More Details About Electric XC40
4:46 BMW M8 Gran Coupe Debuts
5:56 Chevy Updates 2021 Colorado

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46 Comments to “AD #2693 – BMW M8 Gran Coupe Debuts, Chevy Updates 2021 Colorado, Bosch Semiconductor Boosts EV Range ”

  1. Larry D. Says:

    A. BMW Meh8, what a disappointing exterior AND less than flagship interior. The curse of Chris Bangle is alive and well there, even 20 years later. How far more handsome did the 7 and 8 series from 1995-01 look!

    B. Commute times increase, but what about commuting Distances? As for what to do in the car, you can have a totally NON-AV, like I did all these decades, and make Excellent Use of your time, even when traveling alone. There are books I could never have the patience to read at home (esp Philosophy), but when I borrowed Durant’s outline in CDs from my public library, it was a breeze to listen to it on my long trips to DC and back through the beautiful PA-MD countryside. And this is just one example.

  2. Larry D. Says:

    from the link on the UAW strike

    “The research firm estimates that the strike has resulted in a $660 million profit hit for GM and more than $412 million direct wage losses for all employees through the third week of the strike”

    I believe the $412 mill as fairly accurate, but I would be very curious to see how the “boys in research” counted the beans and came up with that “660 mill profit hit”. I call BS, voo doo or whatever you want to call it.

  3. Larry D. Says:

    1b I know I am not typical, but my commute is 1.5 miles if driven, 1 mile if walked, and takes me 5 mins driven, 25 mins uphill and 20 mins downhill if I walk. However when I am at the summer place, and want to go downtown, the 44 KM one-way trip seldom takes less than an hour or so, unless I take the fast tollbahn ($2.80 Euros one way).

  4. MJB Says:

    17 extra HP and 1/10 of a second faster 0-60 time hardly seem worth the extra cash on the buyer’s end, or the extra engineering it took on the development end for that 4-dr BMW M8.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’d think the profit hit taken by GM would be hard to calculate, at least at this point. They are obviously losing production, but it would seem that as the supply is used up, the incentives would become smaller, reducing the loss.

    Still, reduced production at GM means more people will buy something else, and if they are happy with the something else, GM may have lost a customer for life.

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    As its been mentioned here a few times over the last 4 weeks. I yet to understand how GM is losing any money on this strike. Until inventory is gone or is so low that buyers go elsewhere. They still have product at dealerships and are selling vehicles minus a 412 Million of overhead.

    Now as a supplier we carry about 1 to 2 days of inventory. So we started losing money the second day of the strike. We are running into steel components that are starting to get surface rust. So we are not making product but paying employees to clean and protect product that has been sitting for weeks now. Costs that are above and beyond normal production.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    5 Τhe shift away from the domestics took several decades. In the 80s GM’s divisions (I remember because I recently looked at the 75th anniv book GM put out around 1984) still were selling far more sedans than either Honda or Toyota, the Camry did not even exist then probably. even Buick and Olds had models selling up to 400,000 a year. By now I assume people know what the rivals have to offer, but there will always be those who shop without doing any homework, like the obese young women I see in the lot getting out of Dodge Darts and Avengers.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean; People spend more time in there cars because they are trying to take advantage of that time and multi-task. I know I sit through traffic lights sometimes twice because of a person in front texting on their phone. Catch just one extra light, and right there is your 2 minute increase.
    The real frustration is then when I tap the horn ( I don’t lay on it but just short beep to let them know) they often get pissed at me for honking. I’m sorry you weren’t done with your text yet..

  9. Larry D. Says:

    8 There was a car in front at the traffic light that did not move as it went green, and I assumed it was some silly kid texting, but when finally it made the left turn, I saw a white-haired grandma texting in the driver’s seart.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6,7 GM is losing about 60K vehicles of production a week. I’d think that could do long-term harm, even though they are saving money right now, in not paying the hourly employees, though they are still paying the salary employees. Day-by-day sales numbers are hard to come by, so it’s hard to know how sales are being affected so far, whether due to lack of vehicle choice, or just “bad vibes” about GM and the UAW because of the strike.

    6 Yeah, the suppliers are the ones really getting hurt, especially suppliers who have a high percentage of their business with GM.

  11. Larry D. Says:

    6,7,10 GM is like a morbidly obese person (huge inventories) who was lost in the wilderness with only water and had to starve for 3 weeks. The weight loss should have vastly improved his shape (BMI wise)

  12. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Lambo – I would not be surprised if people not paying attention and texting is part of the problem. The article we saw this in mentioned more people living outside of cities and commuting in as well as infrastructure problems, like not fixing the subway so more people drive. I also believe the growing population with more people out on the roads in general plays a role also.

  13. cwolf Says:

    The consequences felt by the ongoing negotiations is taking its toll but let’s not forget the harm done to many more by the tariff war.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 If only the US had decent public transportation, like the rest of the developed world. I like cars, and like driving, under the right conditions, but if I lived in a large urban area, I would have no desire to drive, at least for commuting.

    Even the best of the US transit systems like the NYC subway have problems, due to lack of maintenance. In the case of the New York system, that was exacerbated by flooding of some of the tunnels with sea water by Sandy a few years ago. Salt water and electrical equipment are not a good mix.

  15. cwolf Says:

    Commute times are increasing only shows merit for more mass transit of all types.

  16. Lambo2015 Says:

    10 The salaried people at GM are part of their general overhead or SG&A, cost of doing business and would be paid if they make or sell cars at all. Many of the engineers are working on future programs and that work cannot stop regardless of what is happening now. That work supports future business.
    Similarly at the dealerships they can maintain all the same staff as long as they have inventory and although no more new vehicles are showing up they still need to support the business. So until that inventory is gone I just fail to see it being a loss to GM. As Larry said its more like trimming the fat.

  17. Albemarle Says:

    In my town, it’s not phones that are the problem. Drivers are just sitting there waiting for the signal from their eyes to work its way through their brain and to their feet; an average of 10 seconds. A green light seems to be a constant surprise. Don’t even think about advanced green arrows.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    15 My personal opinion of why mass transit has not been as popular here in the US as it is in other countries is because of 1) many Americans look at mass transit as a welfare system to provide transportation to those that cannot afford to drive. 2) The systems we have are old and were put in place decades ago. meanwhile cities like Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, and Seoul put in systems in the 90s and 2000s. The last subway system in the US was in DC and it was finished in 2001. No major city has shown interest since then. 3) Gas prices are basically low globally speaking. 4) Other than major cities like L.A and N.Y the environmental incentive isn’t there. So until we do things like London has with zero emission requirements or make driving too expensive no one really has an incentive to take a bus or subway.

  19. Phred Says:

    The UAW leadership continues to use the support suppliers and their unions as “collateral damage” victims as they drag the strike out. The driving commute time increase is NOT DRIVING the “rush??” to AV. The driver will still sit in a “phone booth” for the same length of time. They can not sleep or nap,the software in the car will “nix that”, but maybe listen to the radio and read the morning paper.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    17 many years ago (maybe 20) I supervised a project at Alcoa, at its plant in NC or SC, close to a town called Albemarle. There was another prof, from our Business School, who co-supervised, a short, overweight woman, and the overall director of these projects came with us, and invited us to fly with him and his small 6 seater Cessna-type plane. I brought my camera but there were few good photo ops. The pilot was 66 at the time and I was wondering what the hell we would do if he suddenly had a heart attack or a stroke. Going south I was next to him, but when we flew back I was in the spacious 4-passenger cabin behind him. I am sure that woman did not know the first thing about driving, let alone flying, and I had never taken a flying lesson. The pilot seemed to spend most of his time taking notes from info he got from traffic control or sth.

  21. Larry D. Says:

    18 what mass transit? The US has worse trains than some fourth world nations. I once checked going to DC by train from here and it would take 17+ hours, vs the 8 when I drive and travel like a KING. The airlines, esp. after 9/11, are a horror story, I take them only for over 750 miles one way trips, and of course overseas. The cattle section known as economy is a disgrace, esp for long flights, almost zero legroom and even less elbow-shoulder room. Add the DIRT CHEAP gas prices, no wonder nobody takes mass transit in the US unless they really HAVE to.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 It takes about 40 hours to go from near Orlando, FL to Indianapolis by train. The only way is via D.C., and the connections are not very good. Needless to say, I haven’t done it. I usually drive between FL and IN, about 1100 miles, to get a car, and stuff back and forth. Otherwise, I fly for distances that far, even though, as you say, it isn’t fun.

    On the rare occasions I’m in NYC or Boston, I use nothing but public transportation, or walking. If gas weren’t dirt cheap, with higher taxes/fees on fuel being used to subsidize transit systems, there would be money to build decent systems in the US. Even those who like to drive would appreciate decent public transit in cities, because there wouldn’t be as much traffic. I certainly won’t live to see it.

  23. Lambo2015 Says:

    21 I was mainly speaking of the inner city mass transit systems like in San Francisco, Boston, DC, N.Y. Seattle, Chicago. Which are still not very good because they don’t help much with the suburban areas. Even if they do reach the suburbs their isn’t typically a bus system out that far so you either drive to a parking lot then take the train or you have to live close to the station.
    City to city mass transit sucks in the US and yes for the very reasons you mention. IN almost every case you can drive there faster and in better comfort with not much cost difference. I was in Dallas last year Thanksgiving and thinking I would visit for 3 or 4 days but a huge storm came through and delayed flights for a day and a half. The airline was trying to get me back to Detroit but in two days. I looked at taking a bus or train and the price was more than the airline ticket and basically took the two days in transit.. I waited for the later flight.

  24. Clem Zahrobsky Says:

    SiC electronics have come a long way since I was growing pure SiC crystals at westinghouse back in the late 50s to make high temperature diodes. they have been used in the military as they are rad hard.

  25. Ed Says:

    I always love the fall, time to take off work and do nice vacation or trip somewhere, many people do… seems like a lot of strikes take place in the spring or fall. Hmmm seems almost planned. I would think that the people on strike kinda know how long and may be taking a bit of a break. And not really worrying about what is going on with negotiations, they have no real direct input to what the leadership is conspiring to do. At the wages quoted and benefits, these jobs are not entry, these are above median across the country. In a week or so will go back and get ready for the next time.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 I worked in semiconductor processing for years, and barely realized that SiC existed, except as a very hard, black material used for coated abrasives. We processed only silicon.

  27. cwolf Says:

    https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/bosch-semiconductor-electric-car-range/

    Here is an article you might like Kit.

  28. Rob Twigg Says:

    Sean why would you say that the UAW wants to drag this strike out because once the strike is over the focus will be on the UAW corruption scandal. This strike is for the workers everywhere, Sounds to me you are anti union in fact I know you are. The hole problem with society is wages don’t you think, 70% of the people in the USA don’t even have 1000 bucks in the bank,,A lot of these people work for corporations that make billions and the workers have to rely on food stamps

  29. Terrence Quinn Says:

    In my opinion, the M8 is butt ugly from some angles.

  30. cwolf Says:

    The M8 is only fair looking. I’m also not fond of anything with twin turbos.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 Thanks. We were not involved with power devices, but it looks like SiC is better than Si for them.

  32. ChuckGrenci Says:

    28, I wouldn’t make the call of butt ugly (M8) though I certainly respect your opinion. I will go record that this is so like every other BMW (styling) that it goes beyond family resemblance to almost clones of different sizes.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28,30 It’s downgraded from a hatch to a sedan, relative to the 6 series gran coupe it more-or-less replaces. Also, the price is crazy, like the higher trim Porsche Panameras.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    28 30 while ‘butt ugly’ is extreme, it sure is very disappointing for a car of that price and make, and it proves what I posted earlier here today, that the “curse of Chris Bangle” is still with BMW, many years after he finally stopped ruining its designs and left.

  35. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.autonews.com/technology/chemistry-nobel-hails-work-lithium-ion-batteries?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20191009&utm_content=article4-headline

    We posted again and again the tremendous progress over just 8 years on the cost front of EV Batteries, now the lithion-ion pioneers, including a still active 97 (Ninety-seven!) year old prof from TX, get recognized with a $1,000,000+ Nobel Prize. Not too shabby, this is not your $5k or $10k bonus any more!

    Where is “Joe” to read and weep?

  36. Larry D. Says:

    “The total amount for each of the 2019 prizes is 9 million kronor ($906,000).”

    So make it $900,000+ above. The 97 year old is named “Goodenough” and came from Germany but is a prof at the U of TX. His name sounds more like Godunov, of Boris Godunov infamy.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 I was never too crazy about the looks of any of these “4 door couples,” though some of them, like A7 and 4 series Gran Coupe are liftbacks, adding utility compared to a sedan. The Merc CLS, or whatever it’s called got rave reviews for “beauty” when introduced, but I like the looks of the regular Merc bigger sedans better.

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 I was surprised that they got the award, 20-some years after the pioneering work was done, but it’s certainly deserved.

  39. Larry D. Says:

    38 It’s quite common to give Nobels for work done decades ago. However the recipient must always be alive at the time of the award, and the 97 year old was very lucky in that respect. He was on PBS newshour yesterday, seemed quite healthy.

  40. Lambo2015 Says:

    28 I think there could be some truth to the UAW not wanting to end the strike too quickly. If they could come to any agreement the members would have gotten an offer to ratify already and nothing has even been placed up for a vote.
    Plus, due to the corruption scandal the workers would be unlikely to accept anything that was agreed upon quickly. They UAW leadership needs to give the impression that it was a long fought battle to get everything they could for its members this time. Even if they end up agreeing to what was offered a week ago the appearance that it didnt come easy has to be conveyed.

  41. Larry D. Says:

    28 40 it’s not the rank and file that want to prolong the strike, this is not what John said, it is the corrupt UAW so-called leadership, obviously. I call BS on all these “ALD is anti-union” claims.

  42. Lambo2015 Says:

    41 Yes that’s exactly what I was saying, that the leaders haven’t even offered up anything to be ratified by the members. So its not members dragging this out they haven’t even voted on anything provided by the negotiations. Its the leadership and they need to make it appear they are taking GM to the mat this time cause they might have rolled over easily before with some bribes.

  43. cwolf Says:

    40) Can’t say I agree with you. I think an agreement is pretty much complete. The last issue may involve UAW attempt to move production back to the U.S.. I view this like purchasing a car; Once a deal has been haggled over and agreed upon, you then say,”OK what’s my old car worth?” And the seller always hopes to get just a little more than it’s worth.
    GM makes good profits off of their Mexico operations and it only makes sense they don’t want to give any of it away…for free.

  44. Lambo2015 Says:

    43 Hopefully you have better info than I’ve been given as I haven’t heard anything to indicate an agreement of any kind was reached. One day I hear they are close and then a day later they are a mile apart.

    I have heard that maintaining and creating future builds here in the US is a sticking point.

  45. Lambo2015 Says:

    Here is the latest from the Detroit news which details the ups and downs of the negotiations.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/columnists/daniel-howes/2019/10/10/uaw-gm-talks-end-strike-sow-confusion/3922435002/

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    45 If GM, or any other car company met the union’s demands to “build in the US everything you sell in the US,” they are going to lose all of their jobs. All car companies, even ones that can charge premium prices like MB and BMW, source globally. They have to, to remain competitive and stay in business. Between the UAW and Trump’s trade war, things could get pretty bad for a lot of car makers.

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