AD #2895 – Hyundai Rejects Nikola; U.S. Production Recovery at Risk; Ford Bronco Customer Lifestyle Concepts

August 13th, 2020 at 11:52am

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Runtime: 9:22

0:07 Hyundai Rejects Nikola’s Bid to Collaborate
0:33 New Trading Platform for Low Carbon Aluminum Proposed
1:21 U.S. Production Recovery at Risk
2:12 Coronavirus Impacts GM in Brazil
3:18 GM to Hand Off Ventilator Production
3:59 Challenger Gets Another Performance Variant
5:49 Ford Reveals Bronco Customer Lifestyle Concepts
7:47 Farout Concept is a Gladiator Geared for Overlanding
8:31 Ram Going After Raptor with 1500 TRX

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35 Comments to “AD #2895 – Hyundai Rejects Nikola; U.S. Production Recovery at Risk; Ford Bronco Customer Lifestyle Concepts”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Making new aluminum is very energy intensive, because it involves melting ore, and then electrolyzing it to get aluminum metal. It does not make sense that recycling aluminum would be more energy intensive than recycling steel, since aluminum has a much lower melting point than steel. I guess maybe Aluminum has a higher heat of fusion.

  2. Dave Says:

    Aluminum production requires a lot of electricity up till now that has been hydro like in Quebec Canada but with solar power being the least expensive source will aluminum start being made in sunnier locals by the way both use very little carbon.


  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    Do will still need all the ventilators? Strange how that panic for them just died.

    Bronco: Looks like Ford spent a lot of time making sure they had tons of accessories for the new Bronco. In the video today it really looks like a Rover. Look forward to your impressions on its capabilities and comfort. Sean I assume you’ve spent some time in a Wrangler to give us a fair comparison?

  5. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Lambo – Yes, I have experience with the Wrangler.

  6. don Says:

    Super Stock, you mean SS?
    Sounds like GM has a copyright law suit in the wings.

  7. Dave K Says:

    Jeep Killer! Love it!

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4. A lot of ventilators have been made over the last few months. Time will tell how many will be needed over time, but the virus hasn’t gone anywhere. Indiana, where I am now, has been setting records for daily new cases and deaths.

    I’m sure the Bronco, like the Wrangler, will have very good off-road capability, that almost no one uses. It will probably be more comfortable than Wrangler on-road, but that wouldn’t take much. The big unknown is how the two will compete in the” image” and “cool” departments, which is what sells most of those 200K+ Wranglers a year in the U.S.,and tens of thousands other places around the world.

    6. Doesn’t GM’s SS mean super sport, rather than super stock?

  9. XA351GT Says:

    Kit Yes , Chevy’s SS stands for Super Sport. Now if they just badge it as a SS there might be trouble. Since Chrysler absorbed AMC and all of it’s names they could resurrect the old SST moniker

  10. DenMor Says:

    Sean the Demon is out and no longer in production, so the SS fills the slot.

  11. ArtG Says:

    Kit- Yes. SS means Super Sport.

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    8 Time will tell? Its been 7 months and they have found 3 months ago that the ventilators often times do more harm.

    Also due to the fact that you obviously just believe whatever your told without doing any research. a normal flu season will claim about 140K in the US any single year. According to the CDC we are currently at 168K but that number has been proven to be artificially inflated due to money given to hospitals that have a CV patient. Few have made the news like the guy killed on motorcycle accidents and death was counted as Covid. The testing numbers are also inflated .
    I’m not just spewing conspiracy theory’s its based on research and personal experience and I can only post one link per post so I’ll add one more that is from the CDC in May that shows the death rate to be 8 to 15 times lower than they were initially telling everyone. its more like 0.25%.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    There you can read it yourself and I know they say the numbers are higher now but almost every study now includes deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza as well as Covid. Just to muddy stuff up further.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11. You are, indeed spewing conspiracy theories and misinformation. If anything, the numbers Johns Hopkins and FT show are low, not high.

    I don’t dispute that ventilators are, well, highly over-rated for some patients.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12. Someone is assuming nearly everyone is infected, to come up with that .26%.

  16. Bob Wilson Says:

    The China story was exceptional for ignoring Trump’s “winning trade war.” He decimated American farmer exports to China and put a Federal ‘tariff sales tax’ on Walmart products. You successfully ignored the elephant in the room.

  17. Lambo2015 Says:

    13 Kit you can think its political and maybe it is. So keep believing the garbage your being told. This isn’t the site to debate this topic and I was just saying I don’t believe all the ventilators are still needed by GM. You think the HCQ is a farce too, and I’ll leave you one last link on that.×341.png

    You can do some research and find the truth or continue to be one of the sheep that just goes along with what your being told. Honestly don’t care either way, just felt the need to let people know the truth or at least question what your told. I have lots of family and friends working in large hospitals like Yale, Cleveland clinic, UCLA, Southern Cal, UofM, Baylor, and others throughout the country and tend to believe the people I know. The ones that are seeing what’s really going on.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17. I agree that this isn’t the place to discuss this, but you brought it up in #4, and then continued it big time, with links to Breitbart, of all things, in response to my #5. BTW, what is the source of the last chart you linked? Who compiled that “data”? Something is seriously fishy with those numbers. Peru was low on your chart, but almost leads the world in deaths per million population. I guess that means everyone in Peru is considered “infected”?

  19. Roger T Says:

    Sean (and #1 here), aluminum recycling is much lower energy intensive vs steel, the argument is that the aluminum ore (bauxite) reduction is extremely energy intensive, so in lifecycle basis steel may fare favorably, depending on number of times it is recycled. In US Aluminum is recycled at a rate of 65%, not bad actually. In some countries such as Brazil, 96% of aluminum is recycled. I personally doubt this argument by the steel industry holds water.

    12 – please share a reference to your point on hospitals getting money for inflating covid stats, my understanding is that hospitals are in a huge budget crunch this year for many cover related reasons, one of which is the uncertainty about recovery of expenses to those patients, another is the fact that profitable elective procedures are all on hold.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    Saw a Porsche Taycan of some kind, white, looked long and low, but we were driving at opposite directions at a RELATIVE speed of 100 MPH and could not see it in detail.

    Was on my way to my first CV test, I am flying overseas to my summer home, with a connecting flight in Amsterdam on Sunday, and that caused me to lose half a day today, the destination location requires a negative CV test even if you are just a transit thru Holland, AND 72 hours before the departure, or less. BUT the results in most sited take 3-5 business days, SO I had to waste the whole morning until they overrode their policy at my U medical center, so I could take it even with no symptoms.

    The test itself was a breeze, DRIVE IN under a white tent, took all of 20 seconds or less, after it I sneezed 3 times and drove back. Results in 1-2 days.

  21. Larry D. Says:

    PS while I saw the requirement on the web, my travel agent called Delta and both have NO CLUE, or Delta misunderstood the question, but in their email their long list of EUro nations requirements does not at all include my destination nation and its very stringent requirements for visitors transiting from Holland and a few other bad areas in the EU.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    18, 19 without having seen the post you reply to, a good way to see the death toll of CV will be only after a year or so, when ALL 2020 deaths will be tallied. US deaths annually have been around 3 MILLION or 1% of the population, and due to the population growing by at least 1% eveery year, they should be 30,000 or so more than last year, if CV did not exist.

    It should be interesting to see if the TOTAL deaths in 2020 are NOT any greater than the 3 million plus the 30,000 one would expect. If they are NOT, then, at a MINIMUM, it will prove that most of the CV victims, which are over 80 and have pre-existing conditions, would have died anyway from one of these conditions.

    I will await for those stats with GREAT interest, but they will arrive way too late, even in the case it takes MONTHS to tally all the mail in and abesntee (like myself for the first time ever) votes.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 Here’s a little about “excessive deaths” in Florida, with some mention of the northeast, which was hit early. This article only has info to mid-April. Florida was seeing some excessive deaths by mid-April, but probably a lot more since then. Mass had 100% excessive deaths for part of April.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22,23. Here’s some data from the CDC, with week-by-week data from Feb through Aug 8, with “percent expected deaths” in the 4th column. Data for the most recent few weeks would be way off, because of delays in CDC receiving the data, but overall, it looks a lot as expected, with high percent of expected when things were really bad in the NYC area. Also, there is data, by state, for weeks ending Feb 1 to Aug 8.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19. It’s too bad we can’t do a lot better than 65%. Aluminum is probably the most worthwhile of all materials to recycle, given the huge difference in energy usage between recycling and getting new aluminum from bauxite. The beer cans that people throw from vehicles into my yard in Indiana get recycled.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20. They seem to have been generally ” careful” at Amsterdam Schiphol for a while. In 2008, I flew through there on the way to Luxembourg, I think from BWI. On the way back, I was asked several questions before getting on the airplane. The Covid thing would be different, but I suspect “carefulness” is part of their mode of operation at Amsterdam.

    BTW, why are you so secretive about the actual country of your “summer home”?

  27. Larry D. Says:

    26 Holland and Belgium did far worse than even the US with CV, initially, and it seems that Holland has had a resurgence, thus the EU nation where my summer home is, requires a CV negative test 72 hours or less before departure, even if, as I do, am just transiting thru Holland and will not step out of the airport.

    BTW, you have asked this before. If I wanted to disclose it, I would. It has done fantastic with CV, BTW, due to its extremely stringent measures, but its local economy, unlike the US was not much to lose to begin with, when they shut it down.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    26 Holland and Belgium did far worse than even the US with CV, initially, and it seems that Holland has had a resurgence, thus the EU nation where my summer home is, requires a CV negative test 72 hours or less before departure, even if, as I do, am just transiting thru Holland and will not step out of the airport.

    BTW, you have asked this before. If I wanted to disclose it, I would. It has done fantastic with CV, BTW, due to its extremely stringent measures, but its local economy, unlike the US was not much to lose to begin with, when they shut it down.

  29. Larry D. Says:

    23-24 Not much there. I will only get a convincing picture when, as I wrote, the total 2020 deaths are in for all 50 states and the US as a whole, which should be around mid-2021.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27. Yes, I know I asked before, and still don’t understand your secrecy. You seem to like to offer a lot of other, less interesting information. Yeah, Belgium, Holland, and Spain did very badly early on. Holland has had a resurgence of cases, but not deaths, though that may be coming.

    29. How is there “not much there,” at least with the CDC link, except that data is slow to come in from some places, like, conspicuous, West Virginia and North Carolina. Yeah, the full year’s data, allowing time for it to be reported, wil tell a more complete story.


    Challenger SRT SS. Snooze. Nothing tells me that your platform is old and stale like having yet another special edition to try and keep it alive. Dodge continues to kick that dead horse to try and get more life out of a platform that needs to be replaced.

    Reminds me of when Bugatti did the same thing with the Veyron as it aged. It was getting tiresome year after year with yet another “special edition” Veyron to keep interest up on an aging platform. To me it proved that the Veyron was dead long before it actually went out of production in 2015.

    At least the Veyron only lasted 10 years though. The platform of the challenger is at 15 years old now. That is ancient in car years.

  32. Lambo2015 Says:

    19 Medicare will pay hospitals a 20% “add-on” to the regular DRG payment for COVID-19 patients. That’s a result of the CARES Act, the largest of the three federal stimulus laws enacted in response to the coronavirus, which was signed into law March 27. Its available on may locations just requires some reading.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31. The more recent Challenger special editions seem to be “turn key” drag racing cars. Yeah, the Challenger is ancient, and heavy, and needs a lot of power to be fast. To me, the best version of that car is the R/T with the 5.7 V8. For about $34K, or $36K with automatic, it’s a big, V8 powered sporty looking two door, with a semi-usable back seat, and a big trunk. Mustang and Camaro are much sportier driving, but lack a usable back seat, and have significantly smaller trunks.

  34. Lambo2015 Says:

    31 Id have to agree that I’m not sure another variant of what is actually the same engine re-tuned for more HP is going to provide much is moving product. There will be a few of the folks that have to have the latest highest HP version but for those with that much money they can probably take a Hellcat or Redeye and have the tuning along with other modifications and get close to 1000 hp. So Dodge has probably reached the extent of the high HP buyers out there. But sales arnt hurting yet.

    People love that car and the wide body as a good option but a complete redesign could really kill it. Its a niche car anyway and sales started slow with 2008 only 17,400 picked up in 2009 to 25,800 and then didn’t break 40k until 2012 at 46,788 but then in 2013 and 14 hit like 51k and jumped to 66,365 in 2015 and sales in 2018 peaked with 66,718 but did them drop to 61k in 2019 and I’m sure 2020 wont be good. But 2019 was the first decline in sales so with a decent 60k in sales… if it aint broke don’t fix it.. When sales drop back down to 30K yea they will probably change something.

  35. woscar Says:

    I’ve liked the styling of the Challenger since I saw the first one back in the 60′s. It’s been redone a few times, but still has the basic look. I still like it better than any version of either Mustang or Camaro. If I didn’t need a truck and 4-doors, I’d probably own one, pretty much as Kit described.