AD #2932 – BorgWarner Finalizes Deal for Delphi; Mercedes Ramps Up EV Efforts; Why Honda Dropped F1 Not IndyCar

October 6th, 2020 at 11:43am

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Runtime: 9:34

0:23 BorgWarner Finalizes Deal for Delphi
2:32 Another Reverse Merger
2:58 Mercedes to Slash Costs
5:22 Why Honda Dropped F1 Not IndyCar
6:08 Toyota Making Fuel Cell Semi for North America
6:31 Toyota Working on Fuel Cell Train
7:28 Ford Shows Its Hybrid F-150 is Tough
8:35 Ford to Open Design Center in China

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26 Comments to “AD #2932 – BorgWarner Finalizes Deal for Delphi; Mercedes Ramps Up EV Efforts; Why Honda Dropped F1 Not IndyCar”

  1. GM-10 Says:

    Autoline editorial don’t often use the word ‘foolishly.’ I think that speaks volumes.

  2. GM-10 Says:

    RE#1 – Meant to say ‘editorial staff/management’

  3. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I hope for Ford’s sake that their hybrid does more than Ram’s eTorque; that, while not a failure, didn’t really move the ‘needle’ much. The Ford system sounds ‘sound’ but I wonder what will be the price and the take rate on such a vehicle.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    But what is the MPG of the Ford hybrid pickup? That is the only thing that matters to most people, since few do off-road racing or tow 12,000 pounds, and from the article I found a few days ago, only 1/4 of pickups tow anything at all.

    The Ram mild hybrid is good for 2 mpg city and combined, but some articles I’ve seen didn’t find much difference at all.


    I like the Fuel Cell truck/train concepts. I think that is the perfect application of the technology. The fueling stations are few in number and strategically placed for those types of vehicles. The train even more so since fueling stations are pre-defined, highly controlled, and extremely few in number.

    Trucks and trains never stop running because money is lost if the wheels stop turning. As a result, there is more positive impact to the environment by eliminating emissions from these high emission vehicles running non-stop then there ever will be from occasionally driven passenger cars.

  6. GM-10 Says:

    #5 I wish more people understood this concept.

  7. wmb Says:

    While the F150 hybrid gets me excited even more for the BEV, I’m a little disappointed that they used a V6 and not a four cylinder. I say that because, we have already seen their success in turning their twin turbo V6 as a proven replacement for the V8 5.0 (should a buyer make that choice). Attaching a hybrid powerplant to(i believe a different) V6 and having to pay the price penalty to do so, doesn’t make much since to me. Yes they will be able to directly compete with Ram, but by am I as a buyer going for this V6 and paying more, when I can get the other V6? At least if it was a 4-cylinder hybrid, that was just as tough and match their ttv6, but beat the Ram hybrid on fuel economy, to me, that would be a win and a reason to spend a little more. To me this shows GM what the need to do to improve the twin turbo 4 cylinder they offer in the Chevy Silverado. On its own merit, this engine matches one of the V8′s on torque and power, but the fuel economy is the same as the V8. Why would anyone pay more for a 4-cylinder full size pick-up, that is no better then then the ‘more manly’ V8? But if they were to attach a hybrid to it, improve the fuel numbers by 3-5 miles per gallon and the hp and torque to 350, that might be worth the investment!

  8. Larry D. Says:

    Who needs fuel cells for a Train? (or even batteries?) Just electrify the TRACKS, or have a line above the tracks

  9. Ukendoit Says:

    Isn’t this the “parametric octagon scales graphic design in the grill”?
    Maybe they foolishly didn’t include it in their press release, but I think it was on display in Beijing and available on the web.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8. They do that in parts of the world, like most countries in Europe, that are willing to use tax money to help fund infrastructure. In the U.S., some commuter lines are electric, as are the few subway systems, but long distance electric railroads don’t exist in the country.

    In about the first half of the 1900s, there was a fairly comprehensive passenger rail system in Indiana, called “interurban,” that used overhead wires for power. It ended a few years before I was born, mostly because of widespread ownership of cars by then. There is a operable car from the system in a museum, and a “power supply” on display. The power supply is an AC to DC motor-generator. They had these every few miles to feed power into the overhead wires. DC had two advantages for that. They didn’t need to worry about keeping AC “in sync” from different sources, and controls of the time were much easier with DC motors.

  11. JWH Says:

    #10 – True about many areas of the country – While I was not around to experience it, Detroit had trolley/streetcar lines that I believe reached as far as Flint, Ann Arbor, & Port Huron. I came to Michigan in 1966 to go to college, & their have always been stories that the automotive OEM’s, particularly those that manufactured busses worked very hard & spent funds to convince cities like Detroit to kill their trolley/streetcar lines.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    Mercedes sure is investing a whole lot of $ on pure electrics. Must have a lot to do with current and future EU policies promoting BEVs instead of their diesels (even tiny cars here, like the FIat 500, are available in diesels)

  13. Larry D. Says:

    11 We had trolley buses made in IN in the old country for the second half of the 20th century, but they gave up on them recently, I doubt they have them any more. When they had them, they had to stop frequently to fix the trolleys above the buses. It’s surprising they gave them up as pollution became much worse in the 80s and they would have helped if expanded instead of being phased out

  14. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The Pennsylvania RR had overhead electric transportation. Apparently it was not a big enough success for others to follow. Subways and some els (i.e. Chicago) still use electric propulsion but they are local trains; you don’t see electric propulsion on long distant train travel as train travel per se is no longer as popular as it once was either.

  15. SteveO Says:

    Making the F-150 Hybrid the most powerful powertrain is smart marketing – it will be at the top of the range and will appeal to those who want the highest power output. Other brands are also doing this to boost the images of (and charge more $ for) their hybrid powertrains.

  16. GM Veteran Says:

    5 – This is exactly the game plan Nikola has been laying out for the last three years.

    Also underscoring the wisdom of the Nikola concept is Toyota/Hino coming out with a Class 8 fuel cell powered truck for the North American market. Its even more interesting, since this powertrain and a Class 8 truck are both firsts for Hino, at least in this country.

  17. RickW Says:

    When I was growing up in Boston, the transit authority had many street cars that ran on electricity from overhead wires. I believe they still run some trolleys in certain areas.
    And then there is the very large subway system that runs both underground and above ground.
    But there are still way too many buses blowing diesel smoke into the air. They do have some propane powered buses, but I think that hydrogen powered buses would be the best bet for the commuter system.

  18. GM Veteran Says:

    14 – also, its just less expensive to have the powertrain be fully self-contained for long distance trains, passenger or freight. Setting up high-power overhead lines over long distances does not make financial sense.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I remember electric buses, “trackless trolleys” in Indianapolis as a kid. The last of them went away in 1957, replaced with diesel buses. I just read that there are now some BEV buses in downtown Indy.

  20. Bobby T Says:

    There are still electric buses in Cambridge MA and I suppose other places. One of the problems with trolleys was that you had to step to the middle of the road to get to one. Electric buses can pull up to the curb. The other problem with electric buses or trolleys is that as population shifts, you can re-route regular buses to go where the demand is; not so electric. As others mentioned, in the early 20th century there were interurbans everywhere. Detroit was one place, as was New Jersey where I grew up. Cars and buses did them in.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If BorgWarner/Delphi does their “turn key” EV systems right, everyone who can figure a way to package batteries can do a proper EV. This could be the biggest threat yet to the dominance of Tesla in the EV world.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    16 You still defend the CROOKS and cheats like Trevor Milton? He resigned in disgrace. His whole ‘career’ is a trail of FAILURES where he made millions by defrauding investors using his hare-brained schemes, and you…admire them?

    No wonder GM went bankrupt on your watch…

  23. Bob Wilson Says:

    I looked at Romeo Systems and have no interest. They packaged 2170 cell and then made some curious claims.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 It looks like they have nothing “special,” but what they are doing could be useful for those building a small number of EVs, but not enough to design and build their own packs. The 21700 cells are a known quantity, and work well for Trsla.


    Looks like Mercedes is head down a dark road by focusing on profit over R&D/Innovation and Quality. Luxury brands need actual quality, not “preceived quality” too many vehicles now days are garbage after 7 yrars/100k miles.To much use of cheap plastics, materials & electronics.

  26. Fensterlips Says:

    I have owned Mercedes for nearly 40 years since the W123 turbo diesel in the early 80’s a total of 8 Mercedes so far. I didn’t buy them because of “perceived quality”. That was GMs game in the 80s. I didn’t walk away from them – I ran.
    You either make great cars or you don’t. In today’s hyper connected world only everyone will know what you’re offering and what your game is.