AD #3223 – U.S. Announces EV Charging Network; Toyota Ramps Up Its EV Plans; Harley Taking EV Division Public

December 14th, 2021 at 11:53am

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Runtime: 10:41

0:07 Canada Wants to Settle EV Tax Incentive Dispute
0:56 U.S. Announces EV Charging Network
1:32 Toyota Ramps Up Its EV Plans
4:50 How GM Plans to Double Revenue
5:43 Genesis Reveals More G90 Details
7:37 Wild EV Motorcycle Looks to Break Speed Record
8:21 Harley Taking EV Division Public
9:16 Preferred Tire Tread for Snow

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35 Comments to “AD #3223 – U.S. Announces EV Charging Network; Toyota Ramps Up Its EV Plans; Harley Taking EV Division Public”

  1. Marshy Says:

    Re the snows, I suppose this is why they can be seen ejecting compacted flat snow chunks when they spin in snow. Now I know.

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    Man talk about government inefficiency. Seems this advisory committee could contact the US manufacturers have them prepare proposals for a charging standard. Hold a few meeting for debate and within a month or two determine a standard for charging. Somehow this is going to take until May of next year. Wow. Actually by then the technology will have changed enough and they’ll likely be issuing an obsolete standard. Typical.

  3. Lex Says:

    Who is going to be the big winner in the Biden Administration $7.5 Bilion selection to build the EV Charging Stations Network across the US?

    How where will these charging stations be built and monitored to prevent criminals from mugging EV owners and stealing their vehicles?

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    Harley distancing itself from the soon to be huge loss that will be live wire. 30k for an electric bike. 387 in sales a year is more than I thought they would sell.

  5. Lex Says:

    We should have a EV plug standard here in the US like they have in the EU.

  6. Lex Says:

    Does anyone else believe that these ridiculous 0-60 mph speeds might cause increased automotive fatalities especially among junior and senior drivers? A slip of the foot off the brake and on to the accelerator might be disastrous.


    2) I suspect the standard will be CCS, but the committee will take comments from a variety of stake holders from across the industry before finally settling on CCS. There will obviously be some self serving interests out there that would want to control the standard so that they can be the sole supplier of charge points. With CCS though, those voices will be silenced pretty quickly.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    That sounds like quite a reach, to think Live Wire will sell 100K bikes a year in 5 years, when they sell essentially none now.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 I’d think young, inexperienced drivers would be most likely to do crazy stuff with these extremely quick cars. I’m a “senior,” with my fairly quick Corvette that will do 0-60 in ~3 seconds, but I haven’t checked out that capability, and probably won’t. Using that launch control sounds very abusive to the machinery.

    Yeah, a slip from the brake to flooring the right pedal of a really quick car could cause some bad results.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I hope some of these charging stations are built where they are needed, at apartment and condo complexes, where EVs would be perfect for tens of millions of people with short commutes, if they could charge at home.

  11. ARHPG Says:

    It’s only the 14th of December, and perhaps I missed it somehow, but I haven’t seen any reference in *Autoline Daily* to the Formula 1 2021 Championship results and the final race at Yas Marina Circuit at Abu Dhabi on December 12th. This is not auto-manufacturing or engineering news, of course, but it is of great interested to automobile enthusiasts, and this final race was very significant with Max Verstappen (Red Bull Racing) winning (in the last half of the final lap) his first F1 World Championship, denying Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes-Benz an 8th championship, though M-B did win the constructor’s championship.

  12. Norm T Says:

    Lex, most of us charge at home for peanuts in our garages.

  13. Drew Says:

    Regarding winter tires, I’d be interested in learning about tire types/designs that better handle low mu conditions, like slick and icy roads. Black ice is the bane of most winter drivers.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 There will probably be law suits going on for a while from Mercedes, about how the race director, basically, gifted the championship to Max. Maybe that was to make up for the questionable call on the first lap. Anyway, I doubt that law suits will change anything.

  15. D Ford Says:

    We’ll be returning to those golden days of yesteryear when there were lots of tiny motels and roadside attractions for travelers who had to top off their radiators after chugging up a mountain, except now the motels and attractions will be built next to charging stations. Billions will be spent, raw material shortages will arise, and it will all end suddenly when someone invents a clean fuel and brings back the internal combustion engine.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The winter tire video with the Bridgestone guy was interesting. It makes me wonder how I survived 45 Indiana winters without snow tires.

    It looks like winter tires must have horrible tread life, because they have a UTQG tread life rating of “none.”

    13 See this, which might partly answer your questions.

    Bridgestone uses trick hydrophilic rubber on some of their winter tires, which supposedly helps on ice.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 If you make it up the mountain, you should recover half to 2/3 of your charge going back down the mountain.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    6,9, I would certainly expect some collisions due to these EVs being so quick and essentially silent. Simply because if you look at many of the motorcycle crashes specifically involving Sports-bikes which have similarly quick 0-60 times. Drivers will look left look right and maybe even see a motorcycle 1/4 mile down the road. They pull out or turn left in front of them no realizing how quick they covered that 1/4 mile. Bam they get side swiped and often blame the car from pulling out in front of them when the real problem was the bike went from 0-60 in 2.8 sec. I would expect similar problems with these EV’s and to compound the problem. Most of the motorcycles are loud and even if not seen they are heard and might prevent a driver from pulling out. They can hear they are winding it out.. An EV they wont hear it and it will be there in seconds.

  19. Merv Peters Says:

    4 winter tires/rims/tps packages are offered with a lot of new cars purchases this time of year where I live.

  20. Albemarle Says:

    These days, it is so easy to announce the millions of EV vehicles you will be producing (and hopefully selling).

    Where are the investigative journalists to push back on these leaders and force them to explain and justify their predictions.

    It’s stock manipulation at its most blatant. There are laws that cover this. Let’s get some real integrity into the system before people saving for their future get taken with yet another scam. Mary Barra and the others should be ashamed of themselves.

  21. Drew Says:

    16 – Kit, I did watch the video and have Blizzaks on my RWD vehicles. Actually, I am happy to learn other tire manufacturers may soon have winter tires with equivalent performance to Blizzaks… as I don’t like to support the ‘Stones for falsely blaming Ford for the poor quality of the Firestone Wilderness AT tires (Ford spent $billions replacing those tires while the ‘Stones tried every trick to dodge responsibility). I recognize today’s ‘Stones are a different management team and may have learned their lesson, but that company never did a mea culpa.

    Black ice is stressful with or without winter tires. I think information technology exists to warn drivers about black ice. V2X has the potential to inform other motorists of a black ice location that was experienced by a preceding motorist. But the entertainment and other sales revenue dogs are eating away at the wireless communication spectrum that was earmarked for V2X.

  22. Mac Says:

    Many of us in the electrical industry feel that building charging stations is the easy part; where is all the power for them going to be generated? Wind and solar?. . .I don’t think so!

  23. ARHPG Says:

    #14. Yes, Mercedes’ Toto Wolff lodged a protest (actually two) with the FIA about allowing lapped cars to unlap and proceed with the final lap of the race, but both protests were rejected. Of course, Mercedes says it will appeal the decision. In the first stages of the race, Hamilton appeared to have the luck but in the final stage, Verstappen appeared to have the luck and a new champion was made. This definitely took the wind out of the sails for Hamilton and Mercedes, and the question might be if an 8th championship is viable. The race was very exciting down to the finish, and in the beginning stages, one could never think that Max would win it!

  24. Lambo2015 Says:

    3 I don’t believe people will be concerned with their car being stolen while charging. They can be locked up during a charge. Having them located in a safe secure area will be as important as a location with something to do rather than some open parking lot with chargers. The main advantage to an EV is charging at home because it takes a while. So hopefully they consider a program that encourages and helps people install home charging stations.. Down side to that is it only helps typically one user unless in an apartment complex where it could be used by multiple owners. For anyone that has lived in an apartment and delt with community washing machines. Cant wait for the arguments to start over people leaving their fully charged car at the charging station.

  25. JWH Says:

    #16 – Michelin winter tires on our 2004 Volvo V70R have about 22,000 miles on them (over 18 years) and when I installed them about 2 weeks ago have significantly more tread than the Continental Summer tires with 21,900 miles (over 9 years) so I’m pleasantly surprised at their life. The Summer tires are probably good for 1 more summer depending on how many miles we drive.

    While I got where I wanted to go with my 1970 Corvette in the winter (Southeast Michigan) as it was my only vehicle, I really enjoy the added traction of winter tires. I laugh because a number of years ago I had to change 4 vehicles to winter tires & back to summer in the spring. Now it’s down to 1 vehicle. Sorry for so many electrons.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 Do the TPMS need to be programmed when you switch wheels/tires, or can you switch back and forth once both sets are programmed? Maybe it varies by car brand.

  27. Sean Wagner Says:

    The Toyota bz Compact SUV looks like the EV I imagined the C-HR could be. Ideal for metropolitan areas in Europe, and (bizarrely) a style I like, especially in light-green metallic.

    This plan is far more fleshed out than previous announcements, and I’m confident that headline number will increase significantly in the not too distant future.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 I think Mercedes argued that the rules allowed for the lapped cars to unlap, but all of them, not just the ones between the two leaders. I’ll be surprised if their appeals get anywhere, but I suspect the FIA people will be discussing things a lot during the off season. Anyway, I’ve been following F1 since 2000, when I went to the first race at IMS, and this years title race was the most interesting I’ve seen.

    Next year should be interesting, with the new rules, and it’s anyone’s guess which teams might be best. If Mercedes happen to dominate, things might not be as clear cut who has the best championship chances between Lewis and his team mate.

  29. JR Says:

    @26. Newer cars seem to learn the TPMS automatically. Stuff a little older like my 2014 need the programming tool. It’s cheap though, and only takes a minute to program.

  30. Drew Says:

    26 – I have the Blizzaks mounted on a different set of wheels with their own TPMS sensors. I chose this approach because the original wheels are bright-finished and are “plus 1” in size. So I bought a set of wheels and Blizzaks that give me the same sidewall height as the OEM standard size… for better survival on pot-holed winter roads.

    When I seasonally change wheels/tires, there is a procedure for the vehicle to learn the new TPMS sensor… spring and fall.

  31. wmb Says:

    Some of the BEVs that Toyota/Lexus will be offering look pretty exciting. That is if they make it to production the they appear in concept form. That is saying a lot, since many Toyota’s are pretty dull when compared to some of their competitors.

    Not getting on any political soap box or taking a political stand in any way, but the complaint from Canada has about the US tax incentives on UAW built BEVs, makes no since to me. If a government wants to give incentives to those who buy products made in their home market, what right does the leader of another country have to protest? If country “A” wants to incentivize the sell of products made in their country, to people who purchase and live in that country, what right does country “B” have to say that this is unfair to products that come from their country? Nothing is stopping country “B” from doing the same thing in their country with products made their. I can’t see how they view this as a breach of any free trade, for they can still sell their wares made in country “B”, without tariffs. It also does not seem (or it wouldn’t make any since if it did) that any trade agreement couldn’t /wouldn’t prevent government “A” from adding inducements to make their home made products more appealing it’s it’s own citizens. I mean, the Big Three put financial incentives on their vehicle’s all the time, but there are still buyers who go and purchase the more expensive vehicle built in another country anyway! It is apparent that the current administration is doing this, as a show of support for the UAW members that supported them. It’s just doesn’t seem right, when other world leaders feel that they should have something to say (and look to take action against), at how another country spends IT’S OWN MONEY to support products made within its borders, to those who live in their country. That just doesn’t sit well, IMHO.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 I suspect some of the proposed EV incentives violate provisions of NAFTA 2.0, or whatever it’s called.

  33. Earl Says:

    22 Will the installation of more step up transformers help supply enough electricity?
    I can visualize a lot of charging posts at townhouses and apartments.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A while back, I calculated that it would take about 7% more electricity to add 100M EVs to the US fleet. If most are charged off-peak, power availability should not be the issue. Charging availability for those without home charging is the issue.

  35. Sean Wagner Says:

    31 wmb – What Kit said: previous agreements. Which also usually define how arbitration should proceed.

    Take the EU’s internal market: countries cannot privilege one set of manufacturers based on nationality, and ultimate adjudication lies with the European Court of Justice, which countries agree to upon accession.

    Incidentally, and this is not the same thing, I know that German EV incentives are equally available to all buyers regardless of a car’s provenance, so for example Chinese Teslas qualify too.

    I must say that even though I’m biased towards sensibly speeding up general (though not blanket) electrification, I’m not in favor of the proposed incentives’ size and character.