AD #3323 – VW EVs Almost As Profitable as ICEs; Lordstown Finalizes Deal with Foxconn; Hyundai Launching Robotaxis

May 12th, 2022 at 11:43am

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Runtime: 9:33

0:07 VW EVs Almost As Profitable as ICEs
0:55 Lordstown Finalizes Deal with Foxconn
1:42 Fisker Confirms Foxconn Will Make the Pear
3:10 BMW Slashes Paint Emissions
4:01 Cadillac Sweet Talks Chinese Lyriq Customers
5:05 AMG Brand Turns 55
5:33 Hyundai Launching Robotaxis Next Year
6:36 Subaru to Build EV Plant
7:20 Global Auto Sales Plummet

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22 Comments to “AD #3323 – VW EVs Almost As Profitable as ICEs; Lordstown Finalizes Deal with Foxconn; Hyundai Launching Robotaxis”

  1. Buzzerd Says:

    Wow, Cadillac is really throwing in a ton of stuff. All they need is Vince Offer in an informercial saying ” but wait, there’s more”

  2. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I suppose Cadillac really wants the Chinese market, but please, throw us (U.S.) a bone too. Cadillac wants us to order the Lyriq (starting May 19th) but you can’t even configure it yet (on their website). Mark Reuss are you listening to your American customers; I believed you when you were interviewed but I’m a bit suspicious (of all you said).

  3. ChuckGrenci Says:

    2, An addendum; I’m a Cadillac fan, owned four Cadillacs’ in my last 20 years of life and am rooting for the ‘home’ team but please, a little more communication would be welcomed.

  4. Earl Says:

    Global auto sales plummet….in Russia the 250,000 a month sales has plummeted to only 33000. Will no doubt go down from there. Looks good on Putin. If the rest of the economy goes south like this it’s just a matter of months before people will turn on the regime. Soldiers will be needed to shoot their own people instead of Ukrainians.

  5. Tim Beaumont Says:

    Re: Subaru keeping new EV production in Japan.

    Japan has a culture of perfection and attention to detail. This craftsmanship does not exist to the same extent in most of the West. Any new process will be kept in Japan until strict closed loop quality control has established high standards. Then the process will be exported. Japanese oversight at all levels will continue at the overseas facility until there is satisfaction that arduous standards are maintained. Even thereafter there will continue to be a small cadre of Japanese to ensure quality does not devolve.

  6. GM Veteran Says:

    Can’t wait to tell a proud new BMW owner that he has a shitty paint job!

    I know the markets are different, but if you want to compete against Tesla and perhaps get a potential BMW or M-B intender to consider the Lyriq, benefits similar to those for the Chinese market would go a long way.

    Does anyone remember what Lexus did to spoil new owners when they launched in the US? Surprise and delight gifts included theater and opera tickets, bottles of wine or champagne, birthday presents, etc. They got a lot of free press out of that and very positive word of mouth that helped bring prospects into the showrooms. From there, the well trained sales staff and the products sealed the deal.

    If Cadillac views this opportunity through the same lens, (as if they were a new brand just going on sale), they may have a chance to finally change their image.

  7. GM Veteran Says:

    It will be interesting to see if Foxconn jettisons the in-wheel motors for cost and complexity savings, not to mention warranty costs and long-term reliability. I would.

    How many people are going to want to drive a car called the Pear? Other Fisker cars have had unique and aspirational names. Maybe this is just a name for the concept car.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 The texts I’ve received from Cadillac say “see dealer for details.” I would hope that they would soon have the configurator on the web site. That’s the way I like to figure out what I want.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 I could be wrong, but I suspect the in-wheel motors would be very inefficient. I suspect the weird motors in the Jaguar I-Pace are most of why the vehicle is so inefficient compared to the competition.

    I will never trust Fisker much, because of how dismal their first product, the Karma was. It was a plug-in hybrid with 33 miles of electric range, but then got 20 mpg on gas, in a car with less room than a Corolla or Civic.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 A lot of what Lexus did early on, was to offer a better S-Class for a lot less money. Yeah, maybe bottles of wine, etc. would help bring people into the Cadillac dealers, but mainly, the Lyriq needs to be a good vehicle.

    At one time, I wouldn’t have trusted GM at all when they introduced a completely new vehicle, but they did a very good job with the C8 Corvette, which carries over almost nothing, except the similar engine.

  11. Albemarle Says:

    Subaru’s EV fits the Japanese market much better than the North American one. It will sell better there.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I may be in a minority, but today’s AAH was not very interesting to me, the topic being “design concepts” that will never exist. Someone had fun playing with animation software to come up with it, though.

    Something we only rarely hear about regarding Tesla vs the rest of EVs, is that Tesla continues to be far ahead of nearly everyone else in efficiency. Can’t the others design, or buy more efficient motors? I assume that the main difference is the motors, not the power electronics or battery charge-discharge efficiency.

  13. GM Veteran Says:

    Kit, I think its all of the above. Also, Lucid is the current king of efficiency, followed closely by Tesla. You’re right though, the rest of the pack seems pretty far back from these two, at least for EVs sold in the US market.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I wonder if Lucid makes their own motors, and if they buy them, from whom? I saw somewhere that Lucid uses 2170 cells, so maybe cylindrical cells have better charge-discharge efficiency than other configurations.

  15. Bob Wilson Says:

    Comparing Tesla to Lucid at http://www.fueleconomy.com: (1) MPGe 149 / 130, and (2) 23 kWh / 26 kWh per 100 miles. The higher Tesla efficiency means a smaller, affordable battery while the Lucid has worse city (heavier battery?) vs highway.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 Huh? The Lucid has higher efficiency. I’d just like to know the real reasons that Lucid is more efficient than all, and Tesla is more efficient than most.

    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=44495&id=45014

  17. Bob Wilson Says:

    I appreciate comparing a Model S to a Lucid … similar ‘class’ cars. I was comparing the most efficient Tesla to the most efficient Lucid … apparently not the OP question.

    Two, five seat sedans going from point A to B, is one option. Choosing upscale models is a personal choice.

    I have a 2019 Tesla Standard Range Plus because I am permanently unemployable at age 72. No kids and a new wife, lowest cost per mile is my metric. But requirements are individual and family specific.

    I am not here to defend the current Model S versus the 2019 Model 3 Standard Range Plus on my driveway. You are welcome to challenge my March 2019 decision. Perhaps we both realize a three years old discussion is beating the spot where the dead horse was drug away .

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 Sorry about that. Yeah, I was just comparing the more comparable Lucid and Tesla. In any case, Tesla and Lucid lead everyone else in efficiency, and in most cases, by a wide margin. Is it the motors, the batteries, a combination, or is it also the motor controllers? Whatever, it appears that the legacy companies have some catching up to do.

  19. Lambo2015 Says:

    7 Yeah I thought the Pear was a strange name too. So if you see an attractive women driving one you may not want to tell her she has a nice looking Pear.
    Or guys can tease their buddies that they finally got a Pear.
    Maybe they thought the Apple name did so well they would try and simulate a tech company.

  20. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    The best comparison for motor efficiency I have found is motor speed. The Lucid Air has a motor speed of 20,000 RPM. The TESLA model S plaid has 18,000RPM with limited bursts to 20,000. The TESLA model 3 has a motor speed of 15,500RPM. Jaguar I-Pace is 13,000RPM. The Audi E-Tron is 15,000RPM. The Chevrolet bolt is 8,800RPM. The BMW i3 is 11,400RPM. The higher the speed, the more efficient the use of power becomes.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 There is little correlation between motor rpm and efficiency of EVs. John McElroy compiled some data a while back, and it turned out that the low rpm Bolt was one of the most efficient, and the medium rpm I-Pace was one of the worst. Here’s the video John put together.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdlmjcpUfOw

  22. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    21) That is true when power levels are varied. I forgot to mention for similar power level.

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