AD #3487 – VinFast Offering Deals Because Tesla Cut Prices; Michigan Welcomes Chinese Investment; Shell Buys EV Charging Network

January 19th, 2023 at 11:51am

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Runtime: 10:24

0:00 VinFast Offering Sales Promos to Compete with Tesla
0:44 Michigan Welcomes Chinese Investment
1:46 CATL Starts Making Chassis w/ Integrated Cells
2:45 Shell Buys EV Charging Network
3:21 Winnebago Going Electric
4:26 VW Develops Smart HVAC System
6:52 EV Sales Top 1 Million in the EU
7:48 Mercedes Improves Electrified CLAs
8:32 Porsche Offers Modern Screens for Old Cars
9:17 Cox Automotive Less Optimistic on Sales

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39 Comments to “AD #3487 – VinFast Offering Deals Because Tesla Cut Prices; Michigan Welcomes Chinese Investment; Shell Buys EV Charging Network”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    Virginia’s Glenn Youngkin must think that you have to be located within the state to conduct cyber attacks. Not really sure how having a battery plant could be anymore of a threat to economic or personal security than they are from China. Id much rather they set up shop here and provide jobs for Americans than build batteries there and just ship them here.

    Will the VW know the difference of me approaching the car or if I keep my keys just inside the house 10 feet from the garage and not try to maintain the climate inside the car the whole time my car is parked?

  2. Albemarle Says:

    Shell are building out their EV network in Canada too. Projected to have 500 sites nation wide by 2025. I guess they need a place to spend their recent oil profits.

  3. ChuckGrenci Says:

    So, we have Michigan’s governor with myopia and Virgina’s governor with hyperopia (if his thinking is correct); who’s right, well that’s the question. My take, and I’m not fully versed in global strategies, is that China isn’t to be trusted so I’m with Virginia’s governor on this topic. America has already sold its soul to China with selling our technology and manufacturing prowess over the years. This, just another “foot in the door”; maybe?

  4. Tim Beaumont Says:

    Think any of those Porsche screens will fir my old 2001 Audi Allroad?

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    On the VW smart HVAC system. I just have to think is this something that is really needed? Its like the solution to a problem no one ever had. Yea the car gets warmer on the side of the sun but I need separate climate control anyway or my wife is freezing and now I have to throw in the car trying to make adjustments too.
    I also think about aging vehicles and when things come off warranty and start to fail. So I may have a vehicle thats constantly adjusting the HVAC system to who knows what. Or maybe need a $1000 service to correct the problem.. Yeah I can move vents adjust heat and turn on steering wheel heater myself. I would not want this on any of my vehicles.

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    The problem with automakers selling 14 Million with great profits verses 15 Million with discountes is the shareholders will see some decent returns and then pressure executives to maintain that level of return in the future. Which means prices will stay high, and the consumer will see less and less discounts. Making it even easier for the Chinese to swing in and undercut domestic markets with cheap imports.

  7. Albemarle Says:

    I believe that many or most Chinese OEMs are owned or controlled by one or more governments in China. I also think, like most governments, they focus on jobs. So Chinese manufacturers are not under the same pressure to provide profits for investors. It’s a problem for western companies.

  8. Drew Says:

    The issue of collaborating with a major Chinese company is dependent on the details. Will CATL be collecting capacity and IP to send back to China? Or will Ford be collecting CATL’s capacity and IP for use in North America? If the former, I favor the Virginia governor’s position. If the latter, I favor the Michigan governor’s position.

    For the last 2 decades (if not longer), the Chinese have forced western OEMs to transfer capacity and IP to China. As such, I can understand Chuck’s skepticism. But we need localized battery capacity and intelligence.

    Bottom line, I hope Ford and our government are as shrewd as the Chinese in the terms of the deal.

  9. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, Why are Americans so afraid of foreign investment? If CATL spends billions on factories is the US, then they have a vested interest in the US being prosperous, if only to protect their investment. A Chinese owned factory does not somehow give them the ability to move people or material in or out of the country. The US could even demand that ALL jobs at the plant be Americans, even the managers. Manufacturing in Canada is something like 50% US owned. No one here believes that those companies are fronts for the CIA. Some Americans need to get a grip on reality.

  10. Kevin A Says:

    PS The ‘forced transfer of technology’ only occurs INSIDE China. Apparently they want more than jobs and CIA spies when they let American investment in.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Youngkin in Virginia just thinks it is good politics to be “anti-China.” China can spy on the US from China, or anywhere else, just as the US spies on China from everywhere. I don’t see Kentucky politicians wanting to run GE appliances, with their ~6000 employees, out of Louisville, just because they are now a Chinese company. As Kevin alludes, foreign investment in the US is good for the US, whether CATL, BMW, Toyota, or GE Appliances, now owned by Haier.

  12. MJB Says:

    I’m with Youngkin on this one. Most conspiracy theories are true – time will tell.

    Additionally, I am hard pressed to find one major decision Dim-Whitmer has made that I agree with. It isn’t bad enough she forced our kids (totally unnecessarily) to learn remotely for a year and a half during covid (setting them way back academically). Then, come time for re-election, claimed that she ‘fought hard’ for the schools to re-open – total BS!! And that’s just the tip of the iceberg for me…

  13. Drew Says:

    MJB – I’m not sure most conspiracy theories are true (except in Tom Clancy novels). But I thoroughly agree Whitless… er… Whitmer can’t be trusted. 4.5 years ago she ran for governor on the slogan “fix the damn roads”. Her 1st act as guv was to propose a $0.45/ gallon gas tax in the name of the roads, except not one thin dime was earmarked for the roads. The largess would go to politically-based favors. Luckily, the split government rejected her scheme. But Michiganders, hold on to your wallet, as we no longer have a split government.

  14. Buzzerd Says:

    “ most conspiracy theories are true” uhhhh I don’t think that’s correct.

  15. Buzzerd Says:

    Americans – “ why is everything made in China and not here”
    Also Americans – “no way do I want them making stuff here”

  16. DanaPointJohn Says:

    Last week it was Wyoming wanting to ban EVs from being sold in the state to protect the oil companies, and now Virginia stopping a battery manufacturing plant for a bogeyman excuse. Notice any common thread between these states? When oh when will people stop voting for people that are living in the 1950s and have zero interest or ability to see the future?

  17. beaumont.tim@gmail.com Says:

    As long as we are talking politics … Article 5 of the constitution of the United States makes it so that the state legislatures can amend the constitution, notably without any input from the federal government or federal bureaucracy, thus minimizing self serving ‘swamp’ input from both or any political party. The mechanism is convention of the states, with appropriate state ratification safeguards. It is a movement gaining momentum. I reference https://conventionofstates.com for those interested.

  18. merv Says:

    I try and shop local as much as possible and drive my local economy.

  19. Albemarle Says:

    You may be correct Sean in saying companies would prefer to offer incentives rather than lower retail prices, but Tesla seems to be happy jerking prices all over the place and so far, the rapid and large retail price shifts don’t seem to annoy too many customers.

  20. Tim Says:

    For those that dismiss Younkin’s concerns, you might reference the DoD’s concerns with Huawei’s equipment remotely near US military bases. There is a ton of espionage concern all over the US (not just cybersecurity) and we get peeks of it through various articles regarding Chinese consulates, Chinese nationalist ‘police stations’, and even Chinese restaurants catering to Chinese nationalists in the US. These are widely reported and the conspiracy is your unwillingness to see it for what it is.

  21. Beaumont.tim@gmail.com Says:

    Just for clarity, I am not the same Tim in 20, but I do share his concerns.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20,21. Huawei is a telecomm company. CATL is a battery company. There is a difference.

  23. Tim Says:

    22, certainly the difference isn’t in the fact that they are CCP controlled. I don’t care if they make pitchforks, the concern is the same. Of course, we know the supply chains for huawei and catl are both about as brutal as can be.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 So you think Haier should move GE Appliances’ 12,000 U.S. jobs to China?

  25. Tim Says:

    24, We shouldn’t have allowed that in the first place. But hey, if you aren’t worried about the CCP, just keep on keeping on until you can’t.

  26. wmb Says:

    Regarding the CATL chassis with with integrated battery cells, the other day Autoline Daily reported on a supplier that had created a system, to report damage (from small rocks, stores and other debris on the road surface) to the underbelly of an EV where the battery cell were stored. CATL’s solution, much like Tesla’s, would save weight in the vehicle, but could, as I understand, might not be as robust as encapsulating the battery cells in a tray or some type of container at the bottom of the vehicle. While I had read news articles about debris hitting the lower battery ‘chambers’ in EVs, which have resulted in massive fires, I always assumed that the undercarriages of electric vehicles, were made to the same strength standards of ICE vehicles?! In the 40+ years I have been a driver, I have run over sticks, branches, stones, rocks, car parts, pot holes, curbs, speed bumps and a host of other objects in the road, that have been hidden under the cover of darkness. With many of those things hitting the bottom of the vehicle, I near once had the experience of those object doing major damage, or puncturing the floor pan of my vehicle! So, if the underbelly of BEVs were made to the same thickness of your average ICE floor pan, , how is it that simple road debris could possibly do so much catastrophic damage in an EV? That’s what I can’t get me head around. Are automakers using weaker materials for the roadside battery covers? I had a family member driver over a big rock and while it dented the floorboard, it didn’t puncture it! Shouldn’t/aren’t OEMs building electric vehicle floor pans to the same structural standards? I don’t get it?

  27. Ziggy Says:

    You MAGATs are amusing, are you going to call for the expulsion of all Chinese restaurants too, everybody knows that the fortune cookies are really tracking devices that once eaten will continuously report out on your location and other food choices that you make, enabling CHIIIIINA to gather all sorts of important data on you. As the saying goes, there is one born every minute…

  28. Maxx Says:

    27 – totally agree with you! It’s a world economy out there, and if you are going to get rid of all things Chinese, you better do the same for all things German (after all, Hitler is probably still alive in Argentina), Mexican (they are gathering data on how not to pay for the wall), and Japanese (they may well be planning another surprise attack on Pearl Harbor). As someone earlier said, it’s not 1950! We all need to look toward the future, and you can’t complain about stuff being made elsewhere if you aren’t going to allow the manufacturing to take place right here in the good old US of A.

  29. Maxx Says:

    On something else – EV’s have now been around long enough that many should be old enough to be getting traded in. Is there any data out there regarding used EV’s being traded in on new EV”s vs new ICE vehicles? I’m curious if those purchasing EV’s are pleased enough with them to purchase another one?

  30. ChuckGrenci Says:

    This is the best description on how the E-Ray works and why it is so well thought out; link (if interested): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WPq9eZhEBc

  31. Lambo2015 Says:

    28 You summed up what I was thinking. However the biggest difference is, with the Germans and Japanese is that business is business and in China the CCP is part of the business. I wouldnt put it past them to use a businesses for political purposes but I’m just not really sure how having a factory here makes us any more vulnerable. Here in the US inspectors from EPA or OSHA or even the government could have access to the plant if they thought something was going on that threatened national security.

    As for conspiracy theories, that’s just a term the government created to dismiss people that questioned the narrative that they were officially pushing. Our own government has given us plenty of examples why they cannot be trusted so I tend to believe we should question most things. Especially when money is involved. Recently many theories are proving to be true. Maybe not most, as some real doosies are generated but a good number of them. I just dont think a Chinese battery factory changes the security of anything. Dosnt make getting anything into the country easier. Doesnt make getting onto a military base any easier. Doesnt make the internet any less secure. Maybe I’m wrong and if so, please feel free to explain what I’m missing. But right now, it just seems like unwarranted fear. Like back in 2001 when people talked about deporting all Muslims.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 The term “conspiracy theory” has been around for a long time, and the government had nothing to do with its origin. I remember first hearing the term in regard to people who didn’t think Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 That was interesting. I had thought there was a generator somewhere on the gas engine to charge the battery under some circumstances, but I’m now thinking that all charging is through-the-road. It sounds like E-Ray is as fast around a track as the Z-06, but with a much different “feel.”

    They talk about it being good in the snow. I doubt if many people will want to drive them in the snow, but a C8 has about 5 inches of ground clearance, more than most earlier Corvettes. The extremely wide tires are not good in snow, though, and most people wouldn’t want to cover the car with corrosive road salt that goes along with snow in the U.S.

  34. Lambo2015 Says:

    32 Bingo! Exactly been around since JFK and the Warren report. And absolutely had to do with the government unless you don’t think the CIA is part of the government.
    https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/03/16/did-the-cia-invent-the-term-conspiracy-theory/

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 This would indicate that the term is much older than 1963. Go down to “Origin and Usage.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

  36. Lambo2015 Says:

    35 Either way, and regardless of its origin it became a derogatory term in the 80s-90s to make anyone questioning stuff as being in denial, paranoia, crazy or narcistic.
    Yet when it turns out that these alternative theories are correct it’s amazing how quiet the coverage gets.
    Could list about a dozen this year but this was about China setting up a plant here in the US.
    The only part I’m against is China owning the land. If Ford owns the land, or its leased cool but I dont like the idea of selling US land to Chinese businesses. Defiantly not farm land.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Yeah, conspiracy theory has become a derogatory term, and is sometimes not well understood. Maybe the term should be replaced with a better understood term, like BS.

  38. Lambo2015 Says:

    37 Yeah BS like 97% effective, 100% safe, Didnt come from China, Russian collusion.. Wow takes a special amount of denial to overlook the lies you believe and call the truth BS.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Yeah, claims of actual collusion were conspiracy theories or BS, whichever term you want to use. There was Russian interference favoring Trump in 2016, though, as documented in the Mueller Report.

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