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Runtime: 12:08
0:00 Most China EVs Lose Money
1:25 Connected Cars Fall Short of Revenue Hopes
2:27 IIHS Says Lane Centering Not Safer
4:48 Ford Capri Has More Range Than VW Counterpart
6:26 BMW Trounces Mercedes, Audi in EVs
6:54 OPEC Living in Fantasyland
7:50 BYD Preps Premium SUV for European Market
9:02 Gen AI Can Catch Defects Early
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MOST CHINA EVS LOSING MONEY
There are at least 137 different brands of electric cars in China. But only two of them are profitable right now, BYD and Li Auto. Even so, Chinese automakers are making rapid progress in cutting costs. Despite a price war that slashed car prices by 13.4% over the last year, the average profit margin for Chinese automakers actually rose by one and a half percentage points to 7.8%. They’re cutting costs quickly by separating software from hardware development, by taking risks, by becoming more vertically integrated and by working maximum overtime–up to 140 hours of overtime a month. They’re also doing it by pressuring suppliers. One supplier to BYD told Autoline that BYD sources its components every 6 months, meaning suppliers have to cut prices every 6 months or risk losing their business to a competitor. But the future still doesn’t look bright for most of the companies. Alix Partners predicts that by 2030, only 19 of those 137 brands will be profitable.
CONNECTED CARS FALL SHORT OF REVENUE HOPES
Automakers are counting on connected cars to generate up to $200 billion a year in new revenue. But so far those cars are only generating about $6 billion a year, according to S&P Global Mobility. That’s still a lot of money, but it’s not producing the return on investment that the auto industry expected. And a key reason for that is concerns over data privacy. General Motors, for example, got into hot water when customers discovered OnStar was collecting data on how they drive and that info was sold to insurance companies. So instead of monetizing data, automakers are concentrating more on subscription services and paid upgrades. Last year, 30 brands globally began offering paid updates for the first time. Automakers are keen to make this all work. If they can convince used car owners to pay for upgrades, they could open up a significant source of revenue.
IIHS SAYS LANE CENTERING NOT SAFER
A new study from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, or IIHS, found that partial automation systems don’t do much to prevent crashes. It’s referring to features that work constantly to keep a vehicle in a desired position on the road, like lane centering. On the other hand, the IIHS says crash avoidance technology, like automatic emergency braking, blind spot warning and lane departure prevention, do help to reduce crashes. The Highway Loss Data Institute, which is part of the IIHS, looked at property damage liability claims, which are for damage to other vehicles hit by the insured driver. It did this for BMW and Nissan vehicles. For 2017-2019 Rogues equipped with AEB and forward collision warning, the claims were 8% lower. However, there was no benefit to models equipped with Nissan’s ProPilot partial automation system. And the findings were similar with BMW. 2013-2017 BMW and Minis equipped with AEB and forward collision warning, reduced collision claim rates 7% and property damage liability claims by 13%. But there were no benefits with BMW’s partial automation system.
FORD CAPRI GETS MORE RANGE THAN VW COUNTERPART
Ford revealed the all-new Capri for Europe, its second MEB-based EV to come from its partnership with Volkswagen. It’s most closely related to the ID.5, but the styling of the two are quite different. While we agree that its silhouette looks a lot like the Polestar 2, we also see design influence from the original Capri in the facia and treatment around the rear windows. The interior is quite different from the ID.5 as well. But things like the motors and batteries are all VW. The RWD Capri features a 280 horsepower electric motor and a 77 kWh battery pack. It will do 0-100 km/h in 6.4 seconds and has up 627 kilometers or 389 miles of range on the WLTP test cycle. Somehow Ford is doing something different than VW because the RWD Capri has 71 kilometers or 44 miles of range more than the rear-drive ID.5 with the same motor and battery size. The AWD Capri has two electric motors that combine for nearly 340 horsepower and a 79 kWh battery. This setup will do 0-100 km/h in 5.3 seconds and has up to 592 kilometers or 367 miles of range. No word on when the new Capri launches but it should go into production soon alongside the Explorer EV in Germany.
BMW TROUNCES MERCEDES, AUDI IN EVS
BMW is leaving its German rivals in the rearview mirror when it comes to EV sales. In the second quarter of the year, BMW sold nearly 108,000 BEVs globally, which is up 22% compared to a year ago. Meanwhile, Mercedes’ EV sales dropped 25% in Q2 to 45,800 units and Audi sold 41,000 BEVs which was flat from a year ago.
OPEC LIVING IN FANTASYLAND
OPEC is very bullish about demand for oil but other experts think it’s living in Fantasyland. OPEC is forecasting that global oil demand will grow by 2.25 million barrels a day this year. But the International Energy Agency reports that actual global demand only increased by 710,000 barrels a day in the second quarter. And it says that global oil demand will grow by less than 1 million barrels a day this year and next. That’s also in line with the Joint Organizations Data Initiative, which tracks oil demand in 53 countries. It’s also forecasting that global oil demand will grow by less than 1 million barrels a day. Now the question is, will OPEC produce oil based on its forecast, or will it change to the reality of what’s really happening in the marketplace.
BYD PREPS PREMIUM SUV FOR EU MARKET
BYD’s premium off-road brand Fang Cheng Bao has a new compact electric SUV that’s worth checking out because it’s eventually supposed to enter the European market as a rebadged Denza, which is another brand under the BYD umbrella. Called the Bao 3 it’s about the size of a Jeep Cherokee. Two electric motors provide AWD and combine for about 440 horsepower, which helps it go from 0-100 km/h in 4.9 seconds. The battery is a nearly 79 kWh LFP pack that provides up to 510 kilometers or 316 miles of range on China’s CLTC test cycle. The Bao 3 is supposed to hit the Chinese market this year with a starting price around $30,000. The Denza version for Europe will likely cost more because all Chinese EV imports had higher prices in Europe even before the new import tariffs. But if we apply the new 17.4% tariff that all BYD imports are hit with, it would add about $5,500 to the price.
GEN AI CATCHES DEFECTS EARLY
Generative AI is taking the world by storm. And while so much of the public focus has been on programs like ChatGPT writing jokes, or Dall-E coming up with wild pictures and graphics, gen AI is making its way into the auto industry in a variety of areas. One company that really caught our attention is Viaduct, which uses generative AI to look for patterns in manufacturing to predict where automakers face a potential defect or recall. David Hallac, the CEO of Viaduct explains how it works.
“I would say there are 3 main pillars of data sources that we leverage. There’s the manufacturing and assembly data, there’s the telematics data, and there’s the service and warranty data. And generally what we use our AI for is to detect patterns and correlations and issues that may be emerging in this data that do not seem obvious to the human eye.”
David Hallac says it takes about a month for Viaduct to set up a system at a company, but after that it can start finding problems instantaneously. He says a half dozen automakers and a couple of Tier 1 suppliers are already using their services because it can catch problems in the field and trace them back to the plant, the machine or the supplier that caused the problem. He says that generative AI will not replace human beings, but it will replace humans who are not using AI. Want to learn more? Click the link in today’s transcript or description box to get the full interview.
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Kit Gerhart says
I’m not surprised that auto lane centering doesn’t make things safer. My limited testing of it shows it to be dangerous. I’ve tried it on a state road in Indiana, and at intersections with a right turn lane, it steers you into the turn lane, which ends after the intersection, where the system runs you off the road. I find the system generally useless, since you need to have your hand on the wheel most of the time anyway. That being the case, I’d rather just drive all the time, so the “driver aid” has been permanently turned off, except for about 20 minutes of testing.
I’m surprised the Capri has so much better range than the ID.5. I thought the VW might be taller and wider, but looking up the dimensions, it appears not to be. Maybe the VW has wider and/or non-low rolling resistance tires, while the Ford has less draggy tires.
Lambo2015 says
I wonder how the Capri measures up the Mach-e. They have similar shapes for sure, but I assume the Capri is smaller. How much smaller?
OPEC will estimate high and then prices will climb as the demand doesn’t reach forecast. They’ll actually tout a loss when the demand doesn’t reach forecast. Companies do this all the time especially when it comes to giving employees raises. Oh, we didn’t hit our sales targets, so we are below expectations. We can’t give out good raises even though we made a ton of money. On paper it’s not good because we don’t know how to do a proper sales forecast.
Roger T says
Yeah the Onstar blunder. Enfuriating, usually consumers benefit from lower cost when intentionally sharing. Not cool,
I saw a video on youtube where the assessment of the european explorer electric was way over estimating range. I wonder if that overestimation is making its way to the new cougar.
Albemarle says
I am not surprised that lane centering does not improve safety. I use it on trips because it works well for me in addition to adaptive cruise. Still need to keep attention but it’s a bit more relaxing.
It’s most useful when trying to select anything on the large centre screen. These are a major problem requiring you to take eyes and attention off the road to do most normal tasks. That’s when I rely most on lane centering.
Kit Gerhart says
Lambo, Capri is 4 inches shorter, and the same width and height as Mach-E.
Kevin A says
To my eye, the Capri, even though it is an SUV, looks way too chunky. Maybe Porky is a better term. One of the things I liked about the original Capri was the sleek profile. One quick but old fashioned fix might be to put a black or even chrome look stripe where the bumper would be to visually reduce the height of the front and back. Maybe increasing the width of the black side stripe might help too!
GM Veteran says
Whaaaat? There is no pot of gold at the end of the data rainbow? Say it isn’t so.
And for the last two years, that is what I have been saying.
Data rights and privacy laws will be the final blow to this ill-fated executive dream. However, I could never envision the market being anywhere near as big as the automakers were predicting it would be.
Merv says
Cruise control,not for me. Just let me do the driving, I’m just a hands on kinda person. I find all this assist stuff amazing,but most of it,pass.
Kit Gerhart says
Kevin, yeah, some black paint might make the Capri look less chunky, but better yet, make it a 57-58 inch tall car rather than a 64 inch tall CUV. Then, if they are going to call it a Capri, get rid of two of the doors.
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/ford-capri-european-mustang
OK, they probably got the idea of calling this a Capri, from the same person who decided to call Mach-E a Mustang.
Ziggy says
Kit, you just know I’m going to endorse your “get rid of two of the doors” statement for the Capri, that’s the way the original was and that is how OEMs can save cost, complexity, and weight, while increasing safety and overall aesthetics of the vehicle. Long live the two doors, although they are few in number.
Kit Gerhart says
About the only 2 door cars you can get in the US, and maybe Canada, are Minis like mine, Corvette, Mustang, Toyota 86, Nissan Z, and a few from “premium” brands like BMW, M-B, Lexus, and, of course, Porsche. Maybe I’ve forgotten some, but even the two door Civic is gone. It’s sad. The upcoming 2 door Charger will be interesting.
Kit Gerhart says
They can count me out as a potential Charger buyer because of the mandatory AWD, but I look forward to seeing it, more than most upcoming cars. I’m seeing early 2025 as “release date.”
Sean Wagner says
Calling it C4pri might have better reflected the vibes Ford seems to be searching for (I don’t really see how the design reflects the harmonious original.)
MERKUR DRIVER says
Agreed GM Vet. Hopefully this era of subscription services will come to an end. It is already starting because it is being crushed under its own weight. Everyone everywhere wants to have a subscription service now and they all think the consumer is a bottomless source of revenue. They are not. The reality is that consumers are now picking and choosing their subscription services to a limit of 3. Will your car be one of those 3? Probably not.
GM really stepped in it with selling data. They state that they have since stopped, and they likely have. However, nobody trusts them. There are people going so far as to cut the antenna wires that prevent data transfer on their GM car.
Kit Gerhart says
Maybe car companies think that since people spend $300/month on TV streaming services, they’d be ok with a paltry $20/month to have their heated seats work. The idea of paying extra to “turn on” something already there is a big turn off to me.