AD #3152 – Tesla Could Surpass BMW; Volkswagen Updates the Tiguan; AMG’s First Plug-In Hybrid

September 1st, 2021 at 11:53am

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Runtime: 10:31

0:07 BYD To Make Its Own Chips
1:07 U.S. Falls Far Short in EV Charging Stations
1:59 Tesla Could Surpass BMW
3:33 AMG’s First Plug-In Hybrid
4:37 Bentley Upgrades Rear Seat Entertainment
5:25 GM Design Creates Futuristic Steering Wheel
7:04 VW Updates the Tiguan

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42 Comments to “AD #3152 – Tesla Could Surpass BMW; Volkswagen Updates the Tiguan; AMG’s First Plug-In Hybrid”

  1. Rey Says:

    BMW is the most endangered of the German big 3, it was the first to have a dedicated pure BEV, but has lost its way, i think Daimler has more EVs in the pipeline , but who knows, it might be “Too big to fail”.

  2. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I can only see yoke type steering wheels working if they limit the articulation to the point that the yoke does not have to rotate over 180 degrees from horizontal (90 to the left and 90 to the right, and that’s pushing it). This would make the steering quite quick; maybe too quick, but I suppose using it would make it more familiar and user friendly over time.

  3. matttheviewer Says:

    I wish designers would stop trying to make vehicles into wheeled video games. A “Yoke” steering pad will only make it more difficult to select vehicle options with its moving/rotating display. By comparison, steering wheel __switches__ that provide recognizable touch feedback are very useful.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 Yeah, 180 degrees total rotation, and they’d need variable rate, slower near center. I suspect I’d rather just have a round steering wheel.

    I worked in GM’s semiconductor business for about 15 years, 1984-1999.

    https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2016/11/gm-closing-indiana-semi-conductor-plant/

  5. Kevin A Says:

    John, You haven’t talked about it for a while, but could you remind us how automakers rank as ‘groups’ instead of ‘makes’. Mitsubishi isn’t really a manufacturer, since it is part of a group, so it doesn’t really matter is TESLA surpasses it. And when you say BMW, do you mean BMW ‘make’ or BMW ‘group’.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Maybe BMW will end up being only a motorcycle company. Their bike sales have risen steadily over the last 10 years, except for a small down tick in 2020.

  7. Kevin A Says:

    Kit, BMW may not have much future in motorcycle sales either. If you search global motorcycle sales BMW is 7th in $ volume and not in the top 10 for units sold. Indian and Japanese brands dominate with Chinese and Korean brands still growing.

  8. George Ricci Says:

    John, designing chips requires hiring people that know how to do the work, but building a fab to make the chips can cost 10 billion dollars. So most companies that design chips never made their own chips, they hire a foundry to have the chip made for them. So be careful when you say a company is going into the chip business.

  9. John McElroy Says:

    #5. Kevin, while Mitsu is part of a group(R-N-M), it is still a stand alone company with its own publicly traded stock. When I compare Tesla production to BMW, that includes global production of BMWs, but not Mini, Rolls-Royce, or motorcycles.

  10. Joe C. Says:

    My hands are mostly at the 10-2 position or just one hand sits at the 12 o’clock position when driving slowly. That won’t be possible with a yoke.

  11. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    10) Same here. Doesn’t seem very functional.

    I sure do hope the manufacturers get out of this phase of putting screens in everything and back to actual styling. The TESLA yoke steering wheel was ugly. This one, with the stupid screen in the center, is worse. Completing the circle won’t make this wheel look any better. It is just ugly to the core. That screen looks like a cheap radio from the 2000s. Of course making the TESLA steering wheel circular wouldn’t make it look any better either. Their steering wheel looks like playskool tried to make a knight rider steering wheel. At least the TESLA wheel has an Airbag.

  12. wmb Says:

    If and when, when and if Tesla out sells BMW, that will certainly be an accomplishment and worthy of all the attention that moment deserves. It will will certainly be that much sweeter, if Tesla’s issues of quality control and the questions around Auto Pilot were a thing of the past as well!

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    Hard to comment on the yoke steering “wheel” without experiencing it. I do know that often while turning a tight corner I will on the exit just leave my hand in place with a light touch allowing the wheel to slip through my hand as the car straitens out. A habit that would need to be broken. I mean it works for Indy car drivers but pretty sure the ratios are different.

  14. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    12) I am surprised that BMW sells that many vehicles anyhow. Their vehicles are certainly not luxurious, just expensive. With BMWs current ugly nose styling I am sure that will help TESLA to surpass them.

  15. Dale Leonard Says:

    Not a fan of a “Yoke,But I’ll take a Yoke over a Joystick,any day of the week !!!!

  16. Albemarle Says:

    Even with speed sensitive steering I think the yoke is a bad idea.

    A bunch of years ago, I think it was Mercury that showed a concept using 2 steering wheels, each about 6″ in diameter spaced 15″ apart or so. The idea was you could keep your arms on the arm rests and steer with your wrists. I thought that might be an interesting way to go.

  17. Phred Says:

    YOKE! WOKE! This idea of esla will be on the trash heap of auto history for the safety (lack there of) and the “what were they thinking?” aspect for emergency steering and “deae engine” events to steer to the right to exit the main roadway. Just another idea to be different. research the history of the steering wheel to get the perspective of Why it is there.

  18. XA351GT Says:

    Okay where will the air bag come from for the driver if they have a screen in the center of the yoke? I can’t imagine smashing your face into a screen of gorilla glass will feel great

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 BMW, with Harley-Davidson, are the top sellers of big, expensive motorcycles, at about 180,000 each, globally, in 2020. Yeah, they are pretty small players, compared with Honda at about 20 million, and all of the other Asian makers.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Yokes work for F1 and Indy cars, where you drive an hour or two, never changing the position of your hands. It’s not like driving across town, or driving a 12 hour day on the interstate. I just don’t see yokes making sense for road cars, no matter what you do with variable ratio, etc.

    15 Yeah, a yoke would be much better than a joystick for steering a car. Imagine what happens when you hit a big bump or pothole while driving with a joystick, and you inadvertently move sideways two lanes.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Will they have safety gorilla glass for the air bag to smash into your face?

  22. Rey Says:

    #5 Kevin, While Mitsu is now tied up with Renault and Nissan, ,they are also part of the 3 diamonds,( this is why the logo) which is Mitsu Electric, Mitsu heavy industries,( trucks ,graders etc Mitsu Bank, Mitsu Aircraft, their products at one time covered cars, aircraft, Electronics like cellphones and TV and home appliances among other things, I worked for Mitsubishi Electric , Canada,3 decades ago.
    Many Japanese companies have many branches/ divisions, Hitachi is also another co.
    The South Koreans are sometimes alike , like Chaebols of Samsung and Daewoo and LG , which was Goldstar

  23. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    So the OEMs are building BEVs that run on electricity which require charging stations to operate. The OEMs complain that charging station availability, that they don’t want to invest in to sell their product that requires it, is holding back demand for electric cars. The answer is for the tax payers to pay for charging stations. After the tax payers build the stations, the OEMs can sell BEVs to those tax payers at full price. After purchase, the tax payer will then pay full price at the very charging station that they paid to build. That makes total sense.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 To my knowledge, the car companies didn’t build gas stations in the early days of ICE cars, but oil companies still get tax subsidies.

    https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs

  25. Rey Says:

    #23 merkur, just buy a Tesla no need to complain, and they dont get the Federal tax grant of $7500 anymore, they havent qualified for that for almost two years, so that argument that Tesla gets subsidy goes out the window, and electricity is way cheaper than gas @$1.40+ / liter at least where I am,in Canada,
    Tesla also makes its own SC chargers in house, in their Buffalo, New York and Shanghai factories.

  26. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    24) Thank you for reminding me. We subsidize electricity generation in the USA to the same amount as shown in the article about fuel generation.

  27. Rey Says:

    #26 merkur, Tesla has applied to be an Electric provider in Texas, will probably install Solar in its Giga Austin factory,buy excess Wind Electricity cheap, store it in PowerPacks,sell high with the Tesla Autobidder Software,
    During that nrecent massive Texas blackout, Tesla and Space X Boca Chica facility keep its lights on with Tesla Powerpacks, That ànd the Australian massive battery is the future, according to Elon

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 If you can charge at home, EV fuel costs are very low, about half as much for a Model 3 as my Camry hybrid, with electricity at 12 cents/kWh. If you use public charging, not so much. The last I looked at an Electrify America charger, it was 35 or 40 cents/kWh.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    An article I found says it’s 28 cents/kWh at Tesla superchargers, but I’d think that might vary by location and/or time of day.

  30. Rey Says:

    #28 WE is a rippoff , maybe somebody has to pay for the juice, that ” free charge” for 1 or 2 years that Ford Mach E and VW gives with every purchase, Lucid Air will come with free charge too, so expect the rates to stay high.

  31. Fensterlips Says:

    BMW has a tenuous grip on road feel with attractive front end design slipping from their grasp. In addition their long term quality and reliability requires a careful review of the model and engine to avoid maintenance hell.
    They are very quickly going to join Alfa and Stellantis in wondering how to improve their market share. Being unreliable and unattractive doesn’t cut it. Audi was able to sell the suspect 100LS in the late 80’s and early 90’s because it was very attractive. BMW not so much. Heads need to roll before they disappear.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    BMW are abandoning their traditional “ultimate driving machine” customers, even with the new 2 series coupe, which will be automatic only, with mandatory 4wd with the six cylinder (according to C and D), at least in the US. I guess ugly grilles and tall body lifted wagons are BMW’s emphasis for now.

  33. Bobby T Says:

    #16, yeah that was “wrist twist” steering on a concept car, possibly a Mercury, sometime in the 1960s. Lousy idea then, lousy idea now. Back in the late 1990s, our group designed and built a car without a steering wheel. The rationale was that even with an air bag, the driver position was the most dangerous in a crash. The only version I recall used a joystick which could be mounted in the console armrest or the door armrest. It definitely took some getting used to. The idea never went anywhere fortunately. I think #13, Lambo’s comment about straightening out after a turn by letting the wheel slip through your hands gives ample reason to keep a steering wheel. Imagine driving a car even with a steering wheel that had no “return to center” built into the suspension geometry. Not good!

  34. MR Dale Koch Says:

    Interesting BYD getting into the semiconductor business. GM (Delco) in the 80′s was one of the largest producers of semiconductors. As with most things we have gone full circle.

  35. Nick Di Laudo Says:

    The future of steering wheels should be a Sony PS5 DualSense controller.
    Think of how many 16 year olds will know how to drive without much instructions.

  36. Lambo2015 Says:

    As more EVs hit the road there will be money to be made with charging stations. At that point a good opportunity can be had by someone who will capitalize and put them up. The tax payers shouldn’t have to subsidize charging stations for long. I would think many gas companies will want to add a few to their stations that have the room.

  37. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    Ford should put into their app a delineator for pull through or pull up sites. The people who have trailers attached to their electric SUV and/or truck will probably want to know where the pull through sites are when they have a trailer attached. They could even make it automatic so that when the vehicle detects a trailer attachment, it only prioritizes pull through sites. Of course if it did that the owner probably wouldn’t see any charge points in their area to charge at. Most charge points are pull up sites which would require a trailer disconnect/reconnect to charge the vehicle.

  38. Sean Wagner Says:

    BYD is a very interesting company to watch. Also, LG’s chemicals division is the one that rakes in the moolah.

    The levelized, unsubsidized cost of energy for utility-scale solar (far lower than residential) currently is between $29-$42 per MWh in the US.

    Obviously, a lot gets tacked on, from grid costs to spare capacity to maintenance and overheads, but that would translate to completely charging a Model S or X for $3-$4. Wild!

    Source Lazard – https://bit.ly/3zHVcoB

    As for Tesla, it will take some time to fully rev up Austin and Berlin. What with service centers needing to grow in parallel, everyone and Tesla’s bottom line would benefit from getting quality right. I’m looking forward to some new colors!

    And gm’s steering joke (sic) will obviously display an airbag deploying on screen. Very nifty!

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I don’t see EVs towing trailers using public charging very much. With 100-150 miles of range per hour of “fast” charging, trailering will be only for short local trips, charged at home/work place.

  40. Lambo2015 Says:

    37 Yea I cant imagine towing will be done much either. This summer I took my boat to Lake Cumberland in KY and that’s about a 400 mile 6.5 hour drive and required one fuel stop on the way down and the way back. Added maybe 5-10 minutes to the trip. Using an EV that would add three stops to the trip if a quick charger can be found making it a 9.5 hour trip with 3 hours of waiting to be charged up.. Yea doesn’t seem worth the $60 in fuel cost Id save.

  41. Alex Carazan Says:

    DIGITAL SCREEN STEERING WHEEL: Why? More distraction to look at or touch and keep eyes off road. Focal length of eyes to only 15 inches and then back to 40 yards is not wise. Is this smart???

    EV’S: Charge infrastructure is NOT the core issue of EV’s. Think logically. If the charge infrastructure were 100% in place today the core EV issue is not solved. No one wants to wait 30 min or 45 min for a charge! Gas up in a few minutes and be gone! EV’s have been in USA for a decade yet sales are only 2.2% YTD this year. Why so low? Many obvious reasons: little charge infrastructure, long charge times, low range, high price, dealing with charge cord, high cost of fast chargers, battery fires, EV’s are not green as electricity comes from dirty coal or other fossil fuels, battery rare earth minerals mining are limited and human rights abuses in mining, etc. The key values of EV’s are not strong. Avoiding a gas station is not high value…many people go to gas stations for other reasons…clean windows, buy smokes or coffee, get a snack, go to bathroom, stretch legs, etc. Quietness of EV’s not a big value…no one complains that their ICE vehicle is too loud! High performance acceleration….well most Americans could care less to accelerate to 60 mph in 2 or 3 seconds. And if they want to accelerate fast there are many ICE vehicles they can buy and much cheaper price to go fast! And the idea of CO2 reduction to save the planet is suspect as global warming has ended and the artic ice is not melting away and sea levels rising. Many Politicians and Execs pushing CO2 reduction fly on private jets and own ocean front homes. Who are they kidding? CO2 is vital to plant life and CO2 has been much higher levels in the past.

    So why the huge EV push at consumers and ignore lack of market pull (consumer demand driven by real value)? Is the business case for EV’s good? Net present value of future cash flows positive for each nameplate? What Execs are making these big investments decisions and why? Why is the industry pushing for billions of $$ from federal government (tax payers)? Where do these billions go? What people will receive those $$? What is really going on? China related? Stay tuned! The truth will come out.

  42. Ed Says:

    I think Toyota has it right, both with current implementation of technology in electric, hybrid, and ICE, and current and realistic infrastructure at present and going forward. There is a reason they are the size they are globally. They know what is available, and what is coming when. And they know people (customers). Hybrid and plug in Hybrid is the best option for now for most people globally. They have the best range and reliability for most people regardless of climate, terrain or access to various fuels and energies. As the bell curve moves forward they are riding the crest so to speak, Tesla and other electrics fall to the leading or trailing edges. Some of these other companies and very good or even exceed Toyota in capability, but other factors limit them to a small or insignificant slice of the pie. I have a plug in hybrid from Toyota and it is a great ride. It has great range, quality build, comfort, efficiency and cost to own. This pragmatic approach is there for anyone to see and implement.