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0:00 Tesla EU Sales Down, But New Y Could Be Bright Spot
0:47 Tesla Management Confused Over $25K Car
1:24 Will Austin Residents Show Interest in Tesla Robotaxi?
1:59 China Cracks Down on 0-KM Used Cars
2:47 Battery Prices Drop Significantly
4:10 Honda Wants to Refuel In-Orbit Satellites
4:56 VinFast Shuts Half of Its Canada Stores
5:46 U.S. Also Worried About China’s Rare Earth Restrictions
6:33 Mack Makes Hybrid Military Prototypes
7:09 Autoline Poll Results
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TESLA EU SALES DOWN, BUT NEW Y COULD BE BRIGHT SPOT
Elon Musk is stepping away from the work he was doing with President Trump and he’s going to have his hands full repairing the damage his political announcements did in driving customers away from Tesla. We’re starting to get May sales results in Europe and the numbers are terrible. Sales plummeted in France, Sweden, Denmark, Portugal, Spain and the Netherlands. But there is one bright spot. Sales of the new Model Y shot up 213% in Norway, which is where it debuted in Europe. Now we’ll have to see if the same thing happens in other countries as it becomes available.
MANAGEMENT CONFUSED OVER TESLA $25K CAR
Reuters reports there’s confusion in Tesla’s management ranks over whether or not the company is going to make a $25,000 car. Insiders say that Musk cancelled the project, but when Reuters previously reported that it was cancelled, Musk said “Reuters is lying” in a post on X. That’s when Tesla managers then asked Musk if the project was actually back on again, he told them it was still cancelled. So, as we’ve reported before, Instead of an all-new, low-cost model, it looks like Tesla is working on a stripped-down version of the Model Y.
WILL AUSTIN RESIDENTS SHOW INTEREST IN TESLA ROBOTAXI?
And the reason it looks like Tesla is not doing a new, low-cost car is that it’s pivoting to robotaxis, where it sees a lot more upside. Tesla is reportedly targeting June 12 for a limited launch of its robotaxi in Austin, Texas. Keep in mind that Austin is the most left-leaning and liberal city in Texas, a place where anti-Musk protests were held at a Tesla showroom there. So it will be interesting to see if the residents of Austin show any interest in using Tesla robotaxis.
CHINA CRACKS DOWN ON 0-KM USED CARS
There’s a growing controversy in China over what’s known as “zero-kilometer used cars.” It’s kind of a scam, where some automakers sell new vehicles to their dealers or third-party companies, who then turn around and sell them as used cars, even though they’ve never been driven or have very few miles on them. They’re sold for as much as 30% off the new price. Automakers do this to goose their sales and it helps dealers get rid of inventory. But this also destroys the residual prices of used cars and distorts what’s really happening in the market. The chairman of Great Wall Motors is speaking out against it and last week the Chinese government held a meeting with major automakers to put an end to the practice.
BATTERY PRICES DROP SIGNIFICANTLY
Battery prices saw a decent drop last year, so hopefully that starts translating to cheaper EVs. According to the International Energy Agency, the cost of lithium battery packs fell 20% in 2024, the biggest drop since 2017. There’s a couple of factors at play here. There was a lithium surplus last year, which led to lithium prices hitting their lowest level since 2015. And more automakers are turning to less expensive LFP or lithium iron phosphate battery packs as well. Diving a little deeper into the numbers, China saw the biggest drop in battery prices and was also responsible for making 80% of all the cells in the world last year. One last interesting finding, despite being smaller, hybrid packs spread their component costs across fewer cells, so a 20 kWh battery in a plug-in hybrid vehicle was about the same price as a 65 kWh BEV battery pack last year.
HONDA WANTS TO REFUEL IN-ORBIT SATELLITES
Honda already provides mobility solutions for both the land, sea and sky, but now it has its sights set a little higher. The company’s R&D division is trying to co-develop a way to refuel satellites that have already been launched into low Earth orbit. Obviously, refueling in orbit is a little harder than pulling up to the pump at your local gas station, so Honda is specifically working on the connecting system between the refueler and the satellite. And it’s not filling up with 87-octane either. In this case, they’re transporting hydrazine, which the satellites use as a propellant for thrusters. There’s starting to be a little bit of a satellite traffic jam in space, so this solution could reduce the need to send up new ones.
VINFAST SHUTS HALF OF ITS CANADA STORES
VinFast is struggling in Canada. The EV startup from Vietnam says it’s closing 5 of its 10 showrooms in the country to “refocus resources and enhance long-term performance.” VinFast started selling vehicles in Canada in 2022 and though it doesn’t report sales numbers, data from Canada’s Incentives for Zero-Emission vehicles shows that about 2,000 rebates were claimed for its VF8 model last year. The company also sells its VF9 model in Canada but it didn’t qualify for the incentives. Despite closing half its stores, VinFast says it’s committed to selling vehicles in Canada. However, those EV subsidies were phased out at the beginning of the year, which has hurt sales of electrics in Canada even more.
U.S. ALSO WORRIED ABOUT CHINA’S RARE EARTH RESTRICTIONS
As we reported last week, India’s auto industry warned production will soon come to a halt because China is restricting supplies of rare earth magnets. And now automakers in the U.S. are raising the same concerns. The Alliance for Automotive Innovation, which represents most major automakers in the U.S., sent a letter to the Trump Administration last month, warning that production will be impacted by the rare earth shortage. The letter was also signed by MEMA, which represents suppliers. Rare earths are used in many components including motors, power windows and speakers. China, which controls 90% of global rare earth production, restricted supplies of rare earths in April, in retaliation to Trump’s tariffs.
MACK MAKES HYBRID MILITARY PROTOTYPES
We’ve heard that the cost of moving fuel during military operations can be astronomical, so that’s why we were interested to see that a division of Mack Trucks was awarded a contract to build two hybrid prototypes for the Marine Corps. The hybrid tech used in the Medium Tactical Trucks will not only improve fuel economy and range, but allow for silent operation as well. These trucks are also meant to be a new family of vehicles that can handle many tasks, so they’ll come in several variants that have multiple bed lengths and configurations.
AUTOLINE POLL RESULTS
We have the results from our latest poll, which was available to our Patreon and YouTube members. We wanted to get your input on battery swapping for EVs and whether it will spread from China to other parts of the world. Fifty-five of you participated and simply 24% of you said yes, but 60% said no, and 16% had other opinions. Here’s some of what you had to say.
Dave believes that “Battery swapping makes sense.. it’s just a matter of which applications, regions, and timeframes. We swap AA, AAA, power tools, ebike batteries, for example.
Kylerobinson sees the good side to swapping, too, He says, “I believe swappable batteries would be a good alternative for fleet vehicles and for people who don’t live at a location that can charge overnight.”
But irvin wright says, “So many things wrong with this idea; standardized design required, wear & tear on connections, high cost of inventory, facility is much costlier to install than chargers and, all things considered, not much faster. Never going to fly!”
And A C Held made a point that quite a number of you pointed out. “Forget the swapping,” he says. “If you can get a battery that charges in 100 seconds, who would need swapping?”
Thanks to all of our members that participated in the poll. We appreciate all of your support and feedback.
But that brings us to the end of today’s report. Thanks for watching.
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Today as I started walking to the coast 3 blocks down from my summer home in Europe, I noticed a new crossover parked two houses down the street, which looked like a Lexus RX from the side, but when I came close and looked at the front, it was clearly a BYD. Did not look if it was an EV or not, and did not care. This was the first Chinese vehicle I saw here, ever, if you exclude those phony “Volvos” Geely makes (another neighbor, who used to have great cars, but seems to have fallen on hard times, has an EV one of these Volvos, plus an old VW Golf).
BTW, the CORRECT answer about battery swapping is the one which says what I always have been saying, that is strictly for FLEETS, not for private owners. Unless you buy the car but only lease the battery, no private owner in his right mind will ever agree to exchange his brand new battery with one from say 2012 (assuming he has a Tesla S). Sometimes it is better to use your knowledge and common sense to figure out something, than ask an unscientific poll question on Youtube.
I agree with Regulus. If you buy a vehicle that includes a battery, you may not want to exchange it for a battery of unknown care and charging regimen. Its like swapping propane tanks for my gas grill. Sometimes you get a nice one, sometimes you get a beat up rusty tank. As long as it holds and dispenses the gas it doesn’t matter that much. It would matter much more in a BEV. And, what would happen at trade-in time? I would want to swap until I got a really nice one before going to the dealership.
Another thing to consider. Battery swap operations are public charging – the most expensive charging available. Add in the cost of the swapping machinery and procuring a starting quantity of batteries and the swapping will not be very wallet-friendly. For all of these reasons, I think most people will shy away from battery swapping, especially as faster charging batteries are brought to market.
You guys know ALL the sales numbers coming out of china are a lie, right?
Including BYD – Build your doom. The BYD dealers get a cash fee from CCP on every car “sold”
They do fake registration & park 1,000’s & 1,000’s in empty lots & fields. BYD is collapsing in real time like Evergrande.
I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but I have to agree with Regulus and GM VET, battery swapping is not a very good idea to me either; when you look at shared resources eventually the inventory degrades to the lowest denominator. Save the swapping to fleets or other commercial venues.
If a 20 kWh PHEV battery (est ~ 23-45 miles?) costs the same to build as a 65kWh battery electric battery (like GEN 1+2 Bolt EV?), then the Battery Pack (“the most expensive part of a BEV” ……) for something like an ID.4 or Model Y is only ~ 10-15% more expensive than the pack for say a RAV4 PHEV or Chrysler Pacifica PHEV or Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV or …).
Something’s wrong here, or company reporting of costs to manufacture BEVs vs PHEVs is filled with lies.
When a PHEV battery pack costs 80% of the cost of a part that’s 1/3 of the parts cost of a BEV, either profit on the PHEV is VERY LOW or manufacturers are making more than they report per unit of full battery electric vehicles or they are laying a large cost of the new manufacturing tools/site/line on the cost of BEV manufacturing.
Something’s amiss here.
I first saw vehicle battery swapping about 45 years ago, for fork lifts in a factory. That seems a good application for battery swapping.
Battery swapping makes more sense for long trips or for those with no home charging or, like some else said, a rural area or town. Where they might have an electrical infrastructure in town, but that power reaching the individual homes might not be able to support an EV as they are today.
The other thing with swapping stations, I know they are safe (presumably), I would be concerned with thermal runaway with so many batteries collectively together. It would be the same if one were living next to a gas station, however, but I would still feel the same way living near a refueling station
BTW there was a company in Israel that pioneered swapping more than a decade ago, it had an appropriate name but I forget what it was, and after a few years it went bankrupt, the only Israeli company I know that did.
AI to the rescue, I asked and I received: “Yes, the Israeli battery-swapping company, Better Place, declared bankruptcy in May 2013. “
Last time I was in China (all of Nov 2019), the Dean of the School who invited me drove me around in a BYD crossover very similar to the Lexus RX, and it drove great, AND had an excellent interior. It was a plug-in. A young woman who was assigned to me (sort of an administrator for my stay) drove me around in her Cadillac (not a clone, an actual Caddy) CT5, also very nice, I noticed the trunk was lined with some thick comforter like thing. Her husband also worked for the Univ, probably in a much higher position. Not sure if that CT5 was a plugin, but if not, it probably was a hybrid. In Shanghai, ICE vehicles faced huge registration etc fees, of the order of $15k US, and most buyers chose a plug-in so they can take it for long trips much easier than a pure EV, and also had zero fees as a pure EV.
That bankrupt “Better Place” Israeli swapping company was no ‘science project’ trial run. THey wasted 850 million $ US to build swapping stations all over Israel. Given how small Israel is, they should be everywhere. I wonder what happened to them after they went broke.
Regulus, was the BYD a plug-in hybrid, or a BEV?
Kit-re your Q, The BYD I saw in Europe yesterday, no idea, as I said I did not bother to check it. The BYD of the Dean who invited me in Shanghai in Nov 2019 was a plug-in, and so was another chinese car driven by my assistant (who did the grading etc)
The one I was asking about was the one in China.