AD #1779 – Mobility’s Massive Payoff, B-O-L-T Spells Doom for Other EVs, Hella Good Damage Detection

January 18th, 2016 at 11:51am

Runtime: 6:20

- Mobility Sales Double That of Auto Industry
- Chevy Bolt Will Kill Other EV Sales
- Honda & GM Consider Joint Fuel-Cell Plant
- Lincoln Tweaks Continental Concept for Production
- Hella’s Damage Detection Technology

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47 Comments to “AD #1779 – Mobility’s Massive Payoff, B-O-L-T Spells Doom for Other EVs, Hella Good Damage Detection”

  1. pedro fernandez Says:

    I remember the last couple of times there was so much hoopla for new,innovative GM products that were gonna shake up the market were Saturn and the dreaded X-cars.

  2. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Unless the Lincoln Continental has some ‘elegance’ that I’m just not seeing, I find the styling quite ordinary. I’ll have to reserve my official review till after I see one ‘in the flesh’ because so far I’m not impressed. Just from pictures, I think Lincoln should have remained ‘true’ to it’s concept (more).

  3. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Wow,I really like the system that Hella is making.That would save you a ton of work in terms of dealing with the insurance company,and provide proof.

  4. Lisk Says:

    I for one thought then Continental lost some of the styling zing from concept to production. As for the comparison to the Bentley, I think every car marker tries to pull successful styling cues from vehicles in their respective segments.

  5. Slandy Says:

    The Continental definitely lost a lot moving from concept to production. Swagger is no longer in the house.

    Agree 100% on the Bolt. You didn’t mention that it’s better looking than the other cars too.

  6. RS Says:

    The concept is a worthy successor to the beautiful Continentals of the late 30s, the 60s and even into the 70s. But this looks like the MKS (or whatever letter) that this is supposed to replace. Don’t build cheap into a luxury vehicle!!! Obviously, Lincoln just doesn’t get it. They have compromised themselves again and will be wondering why Lexus, Mercedes et al are running away with the market and their dumbed-down design is languishing on the lot. I was SOOOO hoping they were on a recovery path. Not yet!!!

  7. HtG Says:

    Continental

    Regulation and aerodynamics force so much sameness onto cars. That the jewelry and surfacing is where the designers still have some room to work means I’ll wait till I see the Continental on the road before I form an impression. Just yesterday I saw a black Acura ILX parked next to a black Buick Verano, and I swear they looked almost identical except for the details. (btw You can see the Avista concept on the Buick website alongside the other models. Curious, I’d say)

  8. Jonathan Says:

    Another great show!

    The new bolt not only does 200 miles per charge but CHARGES TO SIXTY MPH FASTER THAN A FIESTA ST! 7.0 seconds….

    Now just creat one with a Porsche Macan cuv body style and not a tall hatchback with a wedgey front facia…

    Charge me 45 grand for the AWD version of the pseudo cuv from either GMC or Cadillac and please take my money!

    Tesla will show a passionate design of its model 3 sedan and cuv….and even though technically speaking the bolt is better…the exterior styling will be better in the tesla…..unless gm wakes up and listen to what we are demanding for…

    Bolts awesome…just needs a gmc Macan fighter top hat to get my money ASAP …

  9. RumNCoke Says:

    Hey, I know that styling is subjective, but if that’s the best Lincoln can do, then the fat lady must be singing. David Booth, writing in the National Post, called the Continental a Chrysler 300 styled by Liberace. I guess Lincoln is inheriting the mantle of “most boring look” previously owned by Lexus a few years ago.

  10. Bruce Melton Says:

    I do not see what the big deal is about the new Continental – the Chrysler 300 certainly did a much better job in the styling department with Bentley grill and formal roofline (C-pillar) – but I would not consider any FCA product at this time (QC problems continue – concerned about 9 spd ZF tranny, etc.), but I like looks of the RAM and Challenger (one is “useful” and the other is cool – especially the “Hellcat”).

  11. BobD Says:

    I do have to say the Bolt is attractive from both a visual and functional standpoint. I was holding off to replace my 2011 Cruze with a restyled 2016+ version, but I might have to re-think things. I have a second vehicle (2015 Chevy Colorado) for backup on longer/bigger hauls, so the Bolt would serve the purpose 90% of the time.

    What to do, what to do?

  12. cwolf Says:

    I guess I’m the only one who likes the Lincoln. I also find the less swept back roofline a benefit for passengers taller than six foot. My MKZ is difficult for tall people to enter and exit and my Uncle’s larger Lincoln MKS could be better accessible since older people buy them for the ride as a cruiser. I wouldn’t mind showing that Lincoln grill in my driveway!

  13. M360 Says:

    Personally, I liked the Concept version of the Lincoln Continental better. If you don’t have at least a little swagger in the design, then they all begin to look the same. Hey, I would rather have my new Lincoln look like a Bentley than all those other “luxury” cars out there.

  14. cwolf Says:

    A week or two ago I complained about my MKZ fuel economy; After using many tanks of regular and high test from various stations like Shell, Speedway, Mobile, etc. , I can now state that my MKZ does not like any winter gases. Regular winter blends only average about 25 mpg city and highway! Only using high octane from Shell, Sohio or Mobile can I get close to 30 mpg on the pike. Pitiful I say !

  15. Alan Says:

    The only thing wrong with the Bolt is it cannot do a cross country trip like the promised Tesla Model 3 (with free fast charging). Plus Mary Bara said last week that GM would not be spending money on a network of fast chargers.
    We are left with Tesla and the six dwarfs.

  16. Victor West Says:

    I traded in my 2014 Cherokee on a new one with more “goodies”. The 9 speed is a lot smoother on the new one. It is a great long distance travel car with great mpg.

  17. MJB Says:

    I kinda like the new Conti, but whoa! I had to do a double-take on that early model Hyundai Azera looking rear end.

    http://www.favcars.com/hyundai-azera-tg-2010-11-wallpapers-104635

  18. Bob C Says:

    I think the new Lincoln lost it with the production version.The grill is higher and the lower front end is not as clean. Therefore front looks higher and chunkier, not wide and narrow. By making the rear end straighter they lost the unique rear end look. Maybe not as practical but more elegant.

  19. John Says:

    I agree that the Bolt will make it rough on other new EV’s. That said, I currently own a Focus EV, and it meets all my local driving needs. So, if someone can live with the 80 miles per charge, it’s a great used bargain. We’ve had the car two years now, and no problems, and fun to drive.

  20. John Says:

    BTW, I also like the looks of the Lincoln. It’s elegant without being flashy. On the other hand, I haven’t cared for the other Lincoln “cat whiskers” front ends…

  21. Bob C Says:

    Taking another look at the Lincoln it appears the the production version may have a shorter wheel base, by noting the distance from the front door cut line to the wheel opening. Also the car appears higher in the side view because of no contrasting paint along the lower edge of the whole vehicle.

  22. HtG Says:

    Devil’s Advocacy

    How many Bolts can GM actually make? If demand exceeds supply? And what about the details of govt subsidies; is there a cap? What happens in China where the govt is going to encourage EV and hybrid ownership? Will Beijing make sure other car makers get sales too? Chinese businesses are in joint ownership with the foreign companies, and they’re going to have some influence on sales.

    But yeah, Bolt is impressive. There’s an i3 I see in the lot on the weekends. Starting to look pretty normal.

  23. HtG Says:

    The first gen Volt nearby is looking dated too.

  24. Lisk Says:

    32) I think the $7500 EV cap is a total of 250,000 Bolts. After that it is reduced. Most likely why there are now 3 Prius. Each model line get a tax break.

  25. Barry Says:

    John,
    Lincoln definitely should have stayed with the concept design. It was much more stylish. Now it looks too much like everyone else’s design.

  26. HtG Says:

    24 Thx, Lisk. I think you’ve got it. Wikipedia uses the number 200,000 unit per manufacturer, after which subsidies decline. 220K, that’s a lot of cars. But then, Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_incentives_for_plug-in_electric_vehicles#United_States

  27. HtG Says:

    That’s 200K per year, if I read the article right. That’s a lot. With gas @1.70 I don’t there’s going to be a problem with subsidies.

  28. Bob Wilson Says:

    The Bolt will also cannibalize Volt-2 sales. However, good on GM for finally apologizing for the EV1. As for who would buy one in the current, cheap gas?

    In the 1960s there were a bunch of VW beatles, karmann ghia, and microBus on the roads all over the country . . . and gas was much cheaper back then. Some of us see burning gas as the same as burning money.

    Good thing about ‘cheap gas’, it makes efficient cars into a buyer’s market. Not so hot for makers but be patient.

    We’re burning up petroleum faster than our planet makes it. Like the suicide who jumped off the tall building said half-way down, “No problems so far.”

    Bob Wilson, Huntsville AL

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    There must be some total limit for subsidies, at least for regular hybrids, because there is no subsidy for the regular Prius, and has not been for a long time.

    While I have never leased a car, I might be inclined to with a Bolt, or any pure EV with a big battery, if I wanted such a car. I wouldn’t have to worry about a $15K battery, or the likely high depreciation if I sold the car near the end of the battery warranty.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 The Bolt will cannibalize Volt 2 sales to multi-vehicle families/individuals, but the Volt will still have the advantage in that it will work as an only car for most people.

    I guess the Prius 4 should be arriving any day. I plan to find out at the local dealer tomorrow. I won’t be buying one, though. I’m sure my 2010 would be taking a huge depreciation hit with the arrival of the new one.

  31. Tony Gray Says:

    I saw the Lincoln at the show on Saturday and to me, it was Best In Show, just a close bit ahead of the new S90 from Volvo. I’m talking production cars, not the tease from Buick. I didn’t see the concept in person, so I can’t really compare, but the production car IS nice.

  32. cwolf Says:

    The Bolt will be enticing to many. I’d sacrifice a few miles if the Bolt’s cargo area was lengthened another 15 inches and squared off for better hauling volume. Can they do that using this structure?

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    My problem with the Continental is the powertrain. Intead of being rear drive with a V8, it will be a use a front drive-based 4wd system with a turbo V6. That’s not what I’d want in an expensive luxury sedan.

  34. HtG Says:

    33 Mercedes E-class is going to have a 4 banger. That’s crazy.

    (but you know, I’ve been getting around with 105hp in a light car without any problem. In third gear on the highway, it’s a menace right up to about 90mph. Then it’s over for me)

  35. pedro fernandez Says:

    Guys the BMW 5 series has had a turbo 4 for the last couple of yrs, I just don’t get spending that kind of money for a 4 cyl motor, no matter who makes it

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34, 35 The E-class and 5 series are both very nice cars, but somehow, $55K for a 4 cylinder sedan with vinyl seats seems quite a lot.

  37. pedro fernandez Says:

    For that you can get a his and hers 4 cyl, cloth seats Camry or Accord and have money left over for a trip

  38. Roger T Says:

    Bob (#28) – I also picked up on this, used electrics and hybrids are insanely cheap. I couldn’t resist – Actually just bought a fully loaded 2013 Volt with 15k miles for $17k. Impressive car, I might say. You can now buy a new Ford Energi with $10k discount, plenty in stock to choose from. I don’t think gas will go up much this year, so deals may get even sweeter. And yes, burning gas does feel like burning cash, electric miles are still much cheaper than those driven using gas.

  39. HtG Says:

    I saw a local 02 Prius for $2K today on Craigslist.

    http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/cto/5389835615.html

    That’s really cheap.

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    39 and that’s the “classic” first generation.

  41. HtG Says:

    Yeah, for some dark reason I like that little buggie.

  42. Kit Gerhart Says:

    For my purposes, carrying long and/or bulky things sometimes it wouldn’t work so well, but I like it. It confirmed that “hybrid synergy drive” would work, and work well.

  43. mark Says:

    totally blew it on going from concept to production. Where is the grace beauty and details of the concept?Now it just looks every other $30k car (yes i mean non luxury) out there.NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT IT AT ALL.

    They lost the best parts of the concept. What are they thinking? Ohhhhh this is just like every other great Lincoln concept of the last 15 years…nothing great ever remains so nothing outstanding distinguishes them mid range cars so they never succeed in moving upmarket to compete.

    I truly am sad as the concept was stunning

  44. Rob Says:

    John; Does the 5.4 trillion dollars include the revenue generated by the mass transit vehicles or just the sales of the those vehicles used for mass transit, ie buses, trains, cabs.

    Certainly the automakers see a portion of cab sales.

  45. W L Simpson Says:

    I have always been a fan of the “KISS” principle, so I’m waiting for this concept to become reality http://www.tytlabs.com/tech/fpeg/fpeg02.html

  46. aliisdad Says:

    I actually like that new Lincoln, and it seems to have a pretty good upmarket image in the pictures at the Lincoln media site.. The new grill really is impressive, too; however, like too many American cars, they change the grills so often that no one style ever seems to become the “face marque” for the brand (unlike Mercedes, BMW, and even Buick grills)…
    I think a brand like Lincoln really needs a signature grill to complete with the “big boys” in the luxury market, especially when you often are just paying extra to get the brand name and the grill look….
    I think Lincoln and Caddy still have a LONG way to go to complete with the upmarket brands, but it looks to me like they might be heading in the right direction with this new reserved, classy style… Not much hope for Caddy, though, unless they come up with a more up-to-date design style…
    The BIGGGG question is why were these great American brands allowed to go down hill so far by the car companies?!?

  47. aliisdad Says:

    Oops.. I forgot to add that another problem facing Lincoln and Caddy is that it has been at least one, maybe two, generations of buyers who don’t really think of them as aspirational brands as our parents and especially grandparents do when they were really impressive cars… Most of these brands of cars, however, were just “tarted up” and overpriced versions of other lesser cars…
    They are not brands that you “show off” to your neighbors or the people at work, anymore…
    To paraphrase an old joke: If a couple of guys are trying to impress a girl at a bar, and they both pull out their key fobs and lay them down on the bar, who will go home with the girl…The guy with a BMW prop or the Mercedes Star on his fob OR the guy with a Lincoln or Cadillac symbol????? (my guess that she will probably not even recognize the Lincoln or Caddy symbol unless she is a “vintage babe”!!)