AD #3151 – Hyundai, Aptiv & Lyft Ready for Robotaxis; GM Not Confident in LG Chem; Will Human Drivers Be Banned?

August 31st, 2021 at 11:46am

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Runtime: 10:49

0:07 Lotus Moves to Wuhan, China
1:16 GM Not Confident in LG Chem
2:06 Tesla Aiming for India
3:40 Hyundai, Aptiv & Lyft Ready for Robotaxis
4:29 Will Human Drivers Be Banned?
5:47 TRW Makes Quiet Brake Pads for EVs
7:23 Ford Makes EV Charging Simple
8:46 Motorcycles with ABS Are Far Safer

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36 Comments to “AD #3151 – Hyundai, Aptiv & Lyft Ready for Robotaxis; GM Not Confident in LG Chem; Will Human Drivers Be Banned?”

  1. Rey Says:

    “Better than anyone else, except Tesla”

  2. Rey Says:

    With Lotus setting up HQ in Wuhan,brand Lotus will soon be spread like a virus.

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    John; I fail to see how Elon hinting at building a plant in India would prompt them to lower any tariffs. Seems the Tariffs work in their favor and would help push the need for a local plant, where reducing tariffs may make importing them a sufficient source.

  4. Buzzerd Says:

    The electronic controls on modern motorcycles, including ABS, have indeed improved safety a lot.

  5. ChuckGrenci Says:

    It sounds like TRW’s new brake pads would benefit all vehicles; wonder why the “EV” determination.

    I wouldn’t say that Nissan’s Frontier has moved to the ‘head of the class’; more rightly, got promoted into the same class (as its competitors).

    I’m on GM’s side (about calling out LG’s batteries); if they were less robust they would incur the ire (of others) of not doing enough. I.E., and reported earlier: Ford and Firestone’s tire debackle.

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    ABS would be a good option on motorcycles if some have the ability to turn it on and off. Many sport bikes and cross-over dirt bikes do have riding styles where they would not want ABS in use. For most of the cruisers that are road use only I’m sure most of those riders would be fine with it being on 100%.

  7. cwolf Says:

    The sale of Lotus to Geely also reflects the saddening trend facing the U.S..
    According to Axios, about 51% of the auto and supplier work force are employed by companies based in other countries. What is even more sisheartening is 69% of all manufacturing jobs in the last 5 years were created by varios global companies.
    I have a tough time trying to reason why foreign investors are flocking to the U.S to manufacture goods to our demanding public, yet our own manufactures show no interest to grow their market here at home.
    It’s tiring to here the sad songs from American makers that the U.S. is not as profitable, knowing the global manufactures doing business here are doing just fine and are flourishing.
    IMO our manufacturing sector has lost not only its heart but also lost its soul!

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 Wasn’t part of the Ford/Firestone tire debacle the result of Ford’s saying to under-inflate the tires, so the trucky early generation Explorer would ride better?

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    There is one area where the Frontier is “head of the class.” It remains gas hog of the class.

    ABS is much more useful on motorcycles than on cars. Generally, if you skid much on a bike, you will crash, and if you crash, you are likely to get hurt. On four wheels, you can do a lot of sliding without crashing, or getting hurt. It so happens that my bikes don’t have ABS, and one even has a carburetor, but if I ever get another new bike, it will have ABS.

  10. Rey Says:

    #8 True,from my recollection it was under inflated to give softer ride, but often caused overheating sidewalls,i think, not as many incidents in Canada, but in warmer climate was disaster waiting to happen.

  11. XA351GT Says:

    cwolf , It’s hard to be profitable when manufacturing in the US is held to different standards than the rest of the globe. Our companies have to deal with EPA and OSHA standards that in many countries barely exist if at all. Then throw in the wage gap. Just weeks ago they talked about the drastic wage gap with Mexico and it’s even worse with Chinese companies.

  12. XA351GT Says:

    So if GM is dragging it’s feet on replacing those batteries what are they doing for their customers that are now out of a a car? I doubt they gave them all loaners especially with the chip shortage limiting stock so bad. Sounds like a sure fire way of pissing off a customer enough to never buy from GM again.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 Maybe the “EV” brake pads are extra short lived, which would be ok for an EV which does a lot of its braking by regen, while not being so good for a regular car?

  14. Lambo2015 Says:

    12 Yep which is probably why they are so adamant about placing blame with LG. However I doubt that will help in fact will probably add frustration to the customer. Nothing worse then when a job is messed up and everyone starts pointing fingers elsewhere.. The sole responsibility still falls on GM and maybe they didn’t monitor LG enough. Maybe they didn’t preform or require stringent enough tests for the battery pack. It is an ever changing new tech and knowing what situations to test for may not have been apparent at the time. Either way it still is GM’s fault in my eyes as they just contract LG to make a battery. I would expect LG to push back on that recall claim if they did all the testing required by GM.
    If LG falsified tests or knew of a problem that was swept under the rug then sure they hold full responsibility for the fires. Either way this story isn’t over.

  15. Drew Says:

    8 & 10. False. The issue was a tire manufacturing quality problem within Firestone’s Mexico plant. Firestone tried to blame the Explorer, but the Explorer was proven safe.

    Initial Explorer production exclusively used Firestone tires. Later, Ford dual sourced to both Firestone and Michelin. There were zero issues with the Michelin tires.

    While enduring Firestone’s public accusations, Ford was busy reverse-engineering Firestone’s manufacturing data (which Firestone dragged their feet in providing; then only providing a mountain of computer coded data). Ford found the source of Firestone’s manufacturing defects, after which Firestone quietly quit blaming Ford. In reality, Firestone’s actions were criminal and libelous, but their weeks/months of throwing mud at the Explorer is what most people remember.

    You may ask why Ford didn’t throw mud back at Firestone. Two reasons. 1. There were tens of millions of good Firestone tires on the road, with owners that didn’t need to doubt the quality of they tires/vehicles. 2. The Ford and Firestone families had a long history together… from Henry and Harvey in the early 1990s… to William Clay Ford Sr. married Martha Firestone in 1947. Ford respected that history, even though Bridgestone has owned the Firestone trier brand since 1988.

  16. Roger T Says:

    Tesla in India – Plant in that country would be a frustrating mistake. Musk is flustered by California & Germany bureaucracy, India on that regard is plain awful. I think Tesla will sell in India, lots of tech money in that country. Factory? Probably not.

    Blue break pads – Electrified cards don’t really benefit from less break dust (regen, I never had to clean brake dust), yet ICE cars this is a big nuisance. Do they sell this for ICE cars, too?

  17. Albemarle Says:

    I have confidence that GM will handle the Bolt recall. We can live for now charging to 90% and not letting it get below 1/3 BUT for how long?

    If we have to wait a year for a new battery, that’s a totally different calculation than if we got it in November.

    I cannot see even the most accommodating owner willing to over-winter the car outside with a crippled battery. I am sure the guys that clean the driveway will agree too.

    We had agreed with GM to move to the Bolt EUV but that’s not going to work now, is it?

  18. Albemarle Says:

    Blue brake pads: Since we so infrequently use the brakes on the EV, dust isn’t an issue. What is an issue is rotors rusting out and getting pitted from lack of use. How about a brake pad that is hard on the rotors so it will clean off the rust the few times it’s used. When we replaced all 4 rotors, they had lots of life left but were seriously pitted with rust.

  19. motorman Says:

    I had a friend who was a supervisor where ford built the explorer and he said they reduced the tire pressure cut down on road noise instead of more insulation.

  20. Frank Meinert Says:

    Sad, but not surprising, news about Lotus. It’s been Chinese-owned for a while, so the move is not unexpected. Anyone want to buy a ‘73 Europa? I couldn’t buy anything new from them now, but unfortunately that rules out at least one Buick too.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 Is Decatur, Illinois part of Mexico? That’s where the tires were made, according to two articles I found.

    Did Ford continue to recommend under-inflating the tires (26psi) after they started using Michelin? I don’t know the answer to that one.

  22. cwolf Says:

    Some may find this interesting:
    Today, the last refiner producing leaded gas stopped production.
    As bad as leaded gas has been environmentally, my British sports car runs best using it. Although all the modifications to use non-leaded were made during the restoration, the car does not run normal without it. The gas tank can be filled twice with a bottle of lead additive and not many miles are driven per year. But just as a precaution, I might have to buy cases of this stuff if the additive becomes no longer available.

  23. Phred Says:

    Save me from the EV missionaries, buy a Bolt but do not charge overnight in my garage!! No thank you! I will keep my Mercedes 300D and watch the rolling black outs in California enhance the EV ownership experience.

  24. Drew Says:

    Kit, it was 23 over 20 years ago when the hysteria transpired. I recall the Firestone tires were sourced from both plants. The Mexico plant had no/little process control. Ford de-sourced all Firestone for a few years due to lack of trust. Years latter, Ford started to source some specialty tires… but maintained a restriction from the Mexico plant.

    The tire pressure specifications applied equally tomFirestone, GY, and Michelin. The change in tire pressure specification occurred after several years of side-by-side to the quality experience s with GoodYear and later Michelin offerings… which proved the vehicle and its tire specs were not the source of the problem).

    Firestone acknowledged 26 PSI was not a problem, but started to blame vehicle owners for vehicle overloading and lax attention to tire pressure (e.g., letting the PSI drop below 19)… as Firestone learned Ford wasn’t going to all them to continue their disparaging campaign.

    At the end of the day, 5 new federal safety rules were imposed on all vehicles: 1. tire pressure monitoring system mandate, 2, added side air bag/curtain specifications, 3. added roof strength specifications, 4. electronic stability control, and 5. the TREAD Act defect reporting mandate.

    Prior to this Firestone saga, older readers will recall tires were warranted by the tire manufacturer, not the vehicle OEM. In other words, vehicle OEMs were highly reliant on tire manufacturers for a complete picture of the quality of the tires. For the last (nearly) 20 years, smart OEMs no longer expose their reputation to such risk and have in-house tire/rubber technical expertise.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 Interesting. To me, one of the greatest changes during my 59 years of driving was getting rid of leaded gas, and not only for environmental and health reasons. Now, spark plugs last 200,000 miles, rather than 10,000, as with leaded gas.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 How does your C run badly with unleaded premium? Does it ping on acceleration? Did they quit making low lead av gas?

  27. cwolf Says:

    yeah, Kit, pinging is a biggie and the idle is rougher when hot.
    You have been around the block more than once my friend. Back in the day I did use AV gas. As I recall the best blend was just over 1/4 tank of EV. A petroleum engineer who instructed one of my classes helped me establish the best blend for the car.

  28. cwolf Says:

    27 cvont.)
    Kit , as you know, leaded gas was easier on valve seats on older cars. The ones in the “C” are hardened and less of an issue.
    It took me ahile to realize that most premium fuel has some amount of ethanol. Because my car is an original restoration, Ethanol eats the crap out of the natural rubber seals.
    You might also be interested that, besides a lead additive, I also use a fuel stabelizer or ethanol treatment.
    I don’t take any chances with this engine. Parts ( original) are getting hard to get or cost a heafty sum.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27,28 Thanks for info.


    28) I went through that pain with my older cars and ethanol fuels. Fortunately as these seals leaked they got replaced with updated variants which can resist the corrosive ethanol blends so I don’t worry about it too much anymore. All of my older cars are after leaded gas was phased out so I don’t worry about lead additives either. There are stations, generally located around race tracks, that offer 0% ethanol fuel. That would be an option for you to get around the issues with ethanol blends at least. This website has a list of fuel stations with ethanol free fuels. I don’t know who updates the list so it might be worth calling the listed station first to verify before driving there.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    There are 4 or 5 stations selling E-0 near my place in Florida, probably mainly for boat motors. Many, or most outboards from the ’60s and earlier had shellac coated cork carb floats, not good with ethanol. Maybe other marine engines had ethanol problems more recently than cars.

  32. cwolf Says:

    I have used boat gas on occasion. The octane rating is a mid-grade and good for most driving.
    I try to use a higher octane when running higher rpms, like exxpressway driving. The difference isn’t all that great but it is noticeable.

  33. JWH Says:

    Leaded fuel – Stabilizer, etc – Many years ago a friend of mine at Oldsmobile advised that they could not have spent enough money to improve engine life as much as using unleaded fuel did.

    In addition, a number of years later another OEM had some issues with durability on vehicles sold to the Middle East which used leaded fuel. By this time that OEM had modified engines to provide good durability on un-leaded fuel & had to modify engines for leaded fuel.

    While I bemoaned the reduction in CR & performance due to unleaded fuel back in 1971, current technology has done wonders for performance, economy, & emissions.

    Our Fusion Sport is rated at 325HP net which is probably a little more that my 1970 Corvette rated at 350HP Gross.

    I currently fill my gas cans for tractors, lawnmower, chain saws, etc with ethanol free fuel, & put StaBil Marine in the cans for good measure.

    Sorry for so many electrons,

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The oldest yard equipment I currently use is a 1977 John Deere lawn tractor, which is fine with E-10. I’d need ethanol-free gas if I wanted to use my 1950s Lawn Boy, which has a shellac coated cork carb float.

  35. Ken Says:

    “GM is holding off on repairing the 141,000 Bolt EVs and EUVs it recently had to recall.”

    And this is how you treat a customer? Take care of the customer now (while you still have one) then figure out whos to blame and how to sort out the financial details later.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35 Do they even have a way to “fix them now”? Probably not. What a mess, though.