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AD #3926 – Ford Idles Lightning Until Next Year; UAW Locals Back Off Stellantis Strikes; Hyundai Shows Next-Gen Passenger FCEV

October 31, 2024 by sean

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Runtime: 9:25

0:00 Stellantis Had a Bad Q3
0:38 UAW Locals Back Off Stellantis Strikes
1:11 Li Auto Has Blowout Quarter
1:56 Ford Idles Lightning Until Next Year
2:39 CATL Working on Heavy-Duty Battery Swapping
3:27 McLaren Auto Could Change Ownership Hands
4:08 Toyota Partners to Bring AI to AVs
4:49 Hyundai’s Next-Gen Passenger FCEV
5:52 A Kia Off-Road Van?
6:22 Toyota Imagines Convertible 2-Door 4Runner

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STELLANTIS HAD A BAD Q3
We’ve got more Q3 earnings to report. Some did good, some did bad. We start with the bad. Stellantis said it sold 1.1 million vehicles worldwide, an alarming 20% drop. At Maserati it was a bloodbath. Sales fell 60%. Stellantis’ total revenue dropped by €12 billion, with €9 billion of that drop in North America alone.

UAW LOCALS BACK OFF STELLANTIS STRIKES
But Stellantis did get some very good news on a totally different front. Several UAW locals are withdrawing their strike authorization votes against the company. And Local 1166 in Kokomo Indiana actually voted against authorizing a strike. That could be particularly painful for UAW president Shawn Fain because that’s his home local, where he first started working for the company. The union says it’s going to keep trying to educate those workers about holding the company accountable to its labor contract.

LI AUTO HAS BLOWOUT QUARTER
OK, back to earnings for a moment and now the good. Li Auto had a blowout quarter. You’ll remember that along with BYD, it’s the only other NEV automaker in China that’s turning a profit right now. Sales jumped more than 45% to almost 153,000 units. Revenue was over $6 billion, up nearly 24%. Its operating profit shot up 46% to almost $490 million, but its net profit barely budged, coming in at $402 million. One thing to keep an eye on is that Li Auto’s gross margin was 21.5% which is the kind of margin that Tesla used to brag about.

FORD IDLES LIGHTNING UNTIL NEXT YEAR
Ford is going to idle production of the F-150 Lightning for seven-weeks due to weaker than expected demand. Ford will halt production at its Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Michigan starting in mid-November and won’t resume again until early January. This isn’t the first time Ford has scaled back Lightning production. At the beginning of the year, it cut its production target in half and reduced it to one shift. But sales of the Lightning are actually fairly strong this year, up 86% to nearly 23,000 units through September in the U.S. So that suggests the company is sitting on a lot of inventory and that’s why it’s idling production.

CATL WORKING ON HEAVY-DUTY BATTERY SWAPPING
Chinese battery maker CATL just opened a battery swapping station in China for heavy-duty vehicles, which will be used by electric truck maker DeepWay. Its trucks typically transport gravel and can travel 400-500 kilometers or about 250-310 miles daily. But with a full load they have a range of 190-kilometers or 118 miles. So, the swaps allow them to make multiple trips a day.

MCLAREN AUTO COULD CHANGE OWNERSHIP HANDS
CYVN Holdings, an investment company based in Abu-Dhabi, has offered to buy all of McLaren’s automotive division, which is currently owned by the sovereign wealth fund of Bahrain. CYVN says it would give McLaren access to more money, advanced engineering and technology, mostly centered around electric vehicles. It’s possible that EV tech could come from China because last year CYVN announced it’s investing $2.2 billion into NIO. But it’s only entered into a non-binding purchase agreement, so nothing is final yet. However, it’s hard to see how McLaren can pass up that kind of money.

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TOYOTA PARTNERS TO BRING AI TO AVs
Toyota is forming a partnership with Japan’s Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation or NTT. They’re going to develop AI software for self-driving vehicles with the goal of improving safety. The two companies will invest a total of about $3.3 billion by 2030 to create what they call a ā€œMobility AI Platformā€ which will use AI to anticipate and respond to crashes. Toyota and NTT will make the technology available to other automakers and companies as well as government and academic partners. They say they’ll start developing the software next year with the goal of introducing it in 2028.

HYUNDAI’S NEXT-GEN PASSENGER FCEV
Hyundai is not giving up on fuel cell passenger vehicles and will launch an all-new model in the first half of next year. But it’s going away from the styling of the Nexo and more towards the look of its new EVs with the INITIUM concept. We bet the production version is not too far off this either since its launch is just around the corner. Hyundai says its made a number of updates to its fuel cell system and will offer up to 650 kilometers or just over 400 miles of range as well as a 150 kW or 200 horsepower electric motor and bi-directional charging capability. Bi-directional charging with a fuel cell vehicle is a little more interesting too because you could use both the energy already in the battery pack, plus generate more electricity with the fuel cell stack. So, it offers a little more flexibility. There’s no pictures of the interior yet, but we should learn more when the INITIUM concept makes its auto show debut in November.

A KIA OFF-ROAD VAN?
Speaking of the Hyundai Group and concepts, Kia teased a couple of models that it’s going to show off at SEMA. And very fitting for SEMA, one looks like an off-road capable truck or SUV. But the other is more interesting to me because it also looks off-roady, but it has the same lighting signature as the PV van lineup that Kia revealed at CES this year. And I hope that’s what it is because that would be a fun setup.

TOYOTA IMAGINES CONVERTIBLE 2-DOOR 4RUNNER
Toyota is also getting in the SEMA spirit with this one-off version of the 4Runner, called the TRD Surf Concept. Not only did designers hack off two doors from a current 4Runner TRD Limited, they also sliced the roof. Toyota says it used traditional fabrication with CAD and 3D printing to make it so the top can be removed by just one person. And on top of the custom body and interior work, the Surf Concept also comes with a long-travel suspension system with billet aluminum front upper and lower control arms, steering upgrades, custom front axles, and a Toyota Tundra rear-end housing.

And a quick note before we wrap up, to remember that Autoline After Hours kicks off at 3PM EST today. We’ve got noted car nut and head of all design at Stellantis, Ralph Gilles joining us today, so don’t miss out. But that’s all for this show. I hope to see you later.

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Comments

  1. Lambo2015 says

    October 31, 2024 at 12:30 pm

    At Maserati it was a bloodbath. According to US media that means there was violence, but I think it really means poor performance. šŸ™‚

    Awesome job Toyota with the 2-door four runner. I think that’s exactly what people had hoped for with the resurrection of the Chevy Blazer. The removeable top would be a nice feature and different from all the same look alike CUVs.

  2. Kit Gerhart says

    October 31, 2024 at 1:32 pm

    The current Blazer is more a modern sequel to the S-10 Blazer, than the K9, or whatever it was called. The two-door 4-Runner looks cool, but is there a market for another Wrangler/Bronco? From the side view, it looks like a short bed two-door pickup. There might be a market for that, since everyone quit making them.

  3. Joe G says

    October 31, 2024 at 1:46 pm

    Speaking of a bloodbath, (non violent of course), Ford just selling under 23,000 Lightnings from one of its most popular body styles the F150 for the first 9 months of this year seems unsustainable from a business perspective. Auto Line of course puts up a brave face stating sales are up over 80% from last year, but that number to me is dismal.

  4. Kit Gerhart says

    October 31, 2024 at 2:08 pm

    Didn’t Ford originally expect to sell ~150,000 Lightnings a year, or something like that?

  5. Frank Meinert says

    October 31, 2024 at 2:09 pm

    I’m getting some Pontiac Aztek vibes from that Hyundai, particularly in the profile and rear quarter views.

  6. Kit Gerhart says

    October 31, 2024 at 2:17 pm

    It seems that people who want pickup trucks don’t don’t want EVs. I know a lot of pickup owners, several of whom could afford any vehicle on the market, but only one has an EV, a Rivian. He had never had a pickup before, and seems to have gotten the Rivian largely for the novelty of it. He charges at home and work, and doesn’t use it for road trips.

    An EV would work well for nearly all of the other pickup owners I know, who use them locally, could have home charging, and have multiple vehicles in the household.

  7. Merv says

    October 31, 2024 at 3:19 pm

    There is a new McLaren I see on occasion,near me. They sure stand out

  8. Al says

    October 31, 2024 at 4:01 pm

    Ford could sell Mavericks, but aren’t making them fast enough to meet demand

  9. Kit Gerhart says

    October 31, 2024 at 4:25 pm

    Ford seems to be artificially limiting Maverick production, as Toyota is with Prius and Sienna. A favor to dealers, so they can overcharge for these vehicles?

  10. Sean Wagner says

    November 1, 2024 at 7:03 am

    I’d like to see how the top is “removed by only one person”. The most interesting part of the concept!

    For those interested in autonomous driving, the podcast ‘No Priors’ has an interview with Waymo’s Co-CEO worth listening into:
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/waymos-journey-to-full-autonomy-ai-breakthroughs-safety/id1668002688?i=1000674277657

  11. Kit Gerhart says

    November 1, 2024 at 9:29 am

    Maybe the top is removed by only one person if the person has some kind of crane in their garage.

  12. Lambo2015 says

    November 1, 2024 at 9:30 am

    Joe G- Yeah! The constant promotion of EV sales year over last when it’s an emerging market is so misleading. An 80% increase. sounds great but when sales were dismal last year and slightly up this year it still isn’t a sign of great interest.

    Everyone seems to forget back in the day when Tesla was touting 2 million truck reservations and said they would build 250,000 Cybertrucks a year and here we are a year into production at 35% of that. Ford said they would build 150,000 lightings a year and they are at 15%. Historically vehicles with lots of interest see their best sales numbers the second year of production. The first year is typically hampered by production ramp up and not being a full year of production. Then sales spike and maybe see a slight increase flatten out and then 4 years in start to taper off. Mach-e saw (27K in 2021) (39,458 in 22) (40,771 in 23) and (40,218 in 24 so far) not exactly climbing at leaps and bounds.
    So rather than sales over last year I like sales compared to projected. It will be pretty exciting when they can say our sales are exceeding the projected volume. When they add capacity at other plants to meet demand and not to avoid a shut down during a strike.

  13. JWH says

    November 1, 2024 at 2:44 pm

    Kit – K5 is probably what you’re remembering from the old Blazer.

  14. Daily Driver says

    November 1, 2024 at 11:04 pm

    @Lambo and Joe G – how dare you question The Message ?! You will consume EV product and get excited for next EV product!

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